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I actually saw the video for this exact exorism on the A&E channel and she started having convultions and screaming violently. This are not demons but rather symptoms of a seizure.. and when you are having a seizure of this magnitude of course the best treatment is for a priest to be slapping you with a wooden crucifix.

Almost all sorts of "demonic" possesions can be explained with modern psychology. Which is why certain psychiatric medications supress these demons all the same. Demons are the uneducated explantion for the mentally ill. Exorisms are a joke and truly a testament to how retarded religious zelots are and it hurts me to know they will never go on to understand these things for what they really are.

I must also add how unfortunate it is that certain uninformed people after viewing these so called exorcisms some how believe that this verifies the existance of a spiritual world and the God that goes along with it. Unless you yourself are a psychologist and have spent much time in the studies of the brain it very dangerous to jump to such conclusions. You risk wasting your life in fear of a hell which doesn't exist and faith which destroys your ability to reason reality for yourself.

I actually found the video for that clip I think..
http://paranormal.about.com/library/bl_exorcism_video.htm

What is amusing with the reporters lead into the video around (0:29) she says "Although for many, one visit is often not enough. Sometimes it requires months... and even years to be fully cured." It is amusing because if these were truely demons and you had a priest with the power of God on his side to rid people of these demons, it would not be some type of treatment process... A treatment process is for people who are mentally ill.

LSD doesn't manipulate your voice, moron.



Can someone mentally ill, make noises like that? Highly, highly, HIGHLY, doubtful.

Let's get the best voice actor known, and try, try to make them scream like that.



Then you should hurt yourself.

Modern Psychology cannot explain this because people with no known mental illness, can be posesed and have violent "seisures" as you call them. And yes. Any normal person can make their voice, even if it is a girls voice, turn into a deep, deep, deep, DEEP moaning and wailing noise. [/sarcasm]

Common sense.

And if you listen to ANY religion, every single one will say that Demons are real. None will ever admit excorsising something for purposes unknown to me and the world, but they DO do it.

Let us see you make your voice go super uber low, and growl and wail like that, then when someone puts a cross on your face, let's have you scream at the highest and loudest pitch a human can.

My point exactly. You cannot.

They have explained many times that there are differences between real possession and those other mental disorders that make people go weird. Infact, that's the first thing they watch for before determining whether to call a doctor or an exorcist. Most of the time it's those mental disorders but in very few occasions are they real possessions (and those would not normally be in North America because our continent is predominantly christian). Those people would know better than us so I wouldn't argue.

What exactly are these differences? I must have missed the *many* times they have been explained.

Someone who rocking violently and barks like a dog fits the description of someone is mentally ill. What fits the description of someone who is demonically possesed?

It is very easy to say psychologist have said certain things but yet there is no credability behind those statements. If you can find me a reputable psychologist that explains these differences then you might have something to your arguement.

I can't remember the exact details, but I think there was one that they say that possessed people tend to have their eyes MUCH wider and actually evilish. Also, sometimes they exert a huge amount of body strength when struggling. Normally, most mental sicknesses, if any, don't make you suddenly have enormous strength. And also, the people would have a very different voice and in some exorcism cases, the people actually spoke a different language or something.

Again I couldn't remember most of the details.

No credibility.

So if you deny that stuff, then you might as well call those people stupid. And if you call those people stupid, you might as well call all the great people that were religious like that stupid. Ah, so therefore you're calling George Washington stupid, you're calling pretty much all of our past great presidents stupid. Oh and you're also calling einstein, someone with MUCH better logic than you, stupid (yes he was religious). Nice!

Your doing the same thing that I was talking about above, you are making vast generizations without backing up what you say. If you want to make a convincing arguement in your favor you need to cite references and quotes to backup the things you claim.

I can say most scientists are atheist and guess what? It doesn't mean sh!t cause I do not have statistics or reasoning to back it up.

How do explain the fact that in some cases the people possessed all of a sudden speaked languages fluently that they didn't know before ?? then when they become "mentally ill" they magically know it.

Basically what you've been trying to say since you started posting here is that all this exorcism stuff (and the religious stuff) is stupid. Evidence? Here:




And I dont need to back up the fact that those people that I mentioned are what they are because it's a fact widely known by everyone. Even little elementary school kids know that stuff.
EDIT: Nvm, i'll back it up:
http://www.wallbuilders.com/resources/sear...p?ResourceID=13
http://www.albert-einstein.org/.index2.html

I believe you failed to grasp my previous post therefore I have no need to respond to this one.



When you say you don't need to back something up when you say it it makes me believe that you infact were influenced by persons who are just like yourself, they say whatever they want that seems to support their arguement but have no substantial evidence.

Somebody tells you Einstein believed in a God therefore since Einstein is smarter than me, there must be a god. There are a few problems with this. First off, people twists Einsteins words to fit whatever their agenda might be.

For one of Einsteins most famous religious quotes,


In reality this is taken WAY way out of context and was not a response to somebodies question does a god exists. The phrase was used only to describe his refusal to accept the most popular interpretations of Quantum Theory.

I will not go into much more depth about this than I already have, but I will conclude saying the collective idea that I was trying to communicate with what I have posted in this thread is........

People say alot of sh!t and don't have any means of backup what they say and usually don't because that causes them have to think for themselves and relate it to what they were saying. Additionally, and related, people twist events in whatever way that reconfirms what they already thought. Nobody wants to accept the fact they may be wrong and usually their ego is too large that it doesn't even cross their mind.

Also not that the roman catholic church no longer sanctions exorcisms without proof (usually the languages)

Why because you can't explain why it happens? because science doesn't help u here?

It's common sense. What more do you ask for common sense? 1+1=2, that's common sense.

That quote about Einstein is true. God doesn't just play around with the Universe like a little kid. Which also implies that God does exist. So you see, your arguments are weak and infact, more likely support my side than yours.

And besides it's not just Einstein we're talking about, it's also just about every great president in our past that we're talking about (one which I have already mentioned and you seeming to accept the fact that you called him stupid since you made no objections).


I think catholics aren't allowed to provide video tapes of exorcisms.

Belevie me the Cathloic Chrch would bother preforming an exorcism if they thought it to be fake

First off, it's Generalizations.

Why don't you site your references? You sit there and say we are all wrong, yet you fail to provide evidence that you are correct.



Because they are possesed. Mentally Ill cannot just suddenly change the way they speak, or speak languages unknown to them. Synd][cate seems to not understand that mentally ill people can act just exactly like normal people, and he tries to say that when someone acts out of the norm (Like if I was to go around babbling jibberish) that they would be mentally ill. Am I mentally ill because I have impulses to go blab jibberish? No, i'm not. I just have :censored:ed up brain chemistry because of the stupid decisions I made when I was younger (I huffed a wee bit to much Keyboard cleaner)



I will address the first bolded paragraph, first.

To say something like that, is stupid. Just because Einstein is smart and "believes" or doesn't "believe" in God, doesn't mean God is or isn't real. God is percieved.

And Einstein's words fit the agenda of whoever hears them? Aren't you talking about yourself?

Throughout all of your arguments, you have debunked us, and called our beliefs false, and that they are explainable. If they are so explainable, why don't you prove it to us with evidence from reliable sources? You and complain to us about not providing plausible proof so now it's on you.

Prove to us. Prove to us that everyone who exhibits properties of demonic possesion are mentally ill.

Now the second bolded paragraph.

"People say alot of sh!t and don't have any means of backup what they say and usually don't because that causes them have to think for themselves and relate it to what they were saying. Additionally, and related, people twist events in whatever way that reconfirms what they already thought. Nobody wants to accept the fact they may be wrong and usually their ego is too large that it doesn't even cross their mind."

You just proved yourself wrong in your own argument. Thanks

You see I am not the making vast claims of supernatural events ok? So I ask you what exactly do I need to prove to you? Nothing. If I started claiming crazy ass sh!t then yes it is an appropriate time for you to ask for refences and evidence to back up my claims.

Also the very nature of people analizying the state of mind of the insane is very subjective so really you never will have an argument. Sorry. Making an effort however would be citing a psychologists notes of the differences between the demonicly possesed and the insane. Not just stupid sh!t like they have evil looking eyes (lol), increased strength or make noises that they normally don't make.

I believe you will be hard pressed to find a psychologist with reputable credentials which will support such claims.



I love how you misread 1/2 of what I write, it's actually quite funny to see you state exactly what I just said.



This is a sarcastic statement which went way over your head.

Anyways moving on..



Unfortunately I have to explain everything to you.. You see I quoted Einstein's famous quote "God does not play dice with the universe," used many hundreds of people just like you and MiLlEnNiUmArMy. Explaining you use it out of context and after it is out of context you can twist it to whatever message your trying to preach. The difference is I actually explained the context in which he replied with these words. Since you missed it the first time I will explain again...The phrase was used only to describe his refusal to accept the most popular interpretations of Quantum Theory. To my understanding Quantum Theory statest when we get down to the atomic level interactions between atoms is quite chaotic, Einstein was simpily saying that he did not believe in this disorder and there are mathematical equations that can decribe such. THIS QUOTE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD DIRECTLY.




You are talking like your an experienced psychologist and your not and probably never will be. One can dream however. You my friend have never been to a mental institution and nor have I, so neither of us have the right to say what the mental people can and cannot do. You are only harming yourself by imaging this bullsh!t and creating fantasies out of what scares you. What scares people are the supernatural and the forces of Satan which is why people like to embelish these sort of things so much.


Anyways you are a waste of time to even respond to, whatever I type to you always goes over your head so forget it. Keep on believing what you want to, as long as it doesn't affect me. I must say in conclusion, it is a absolutely amazing the bullsh!t some people will believe and they don't have the intellegence to deeper for the real answer to whats actually going on. These people will continue in their ignorance until science will yet again prove their stupid asses wrong. It's a pattern which has occured all through histroy and continues to this day.

You still haven't given me a reason why someone who has never heard a certain language before can all of a sudden speak it fluently. You say because their mentally ill?? Being mentally ill doesn't make you learn different languages all of a sudden.

You are an idiot.. that's why. This whole god damn time i've been talking about stateing evidence of stupid ass claims. ok? Then right after that you post exactly what I said NOT to. (Your first post)

I really shouldn't do this because you have already proven your inablity to understand a basic concept-- people can say whatever the hell they want. Someone says somebody talks in demonic tongues others say its jibberish. The person who believed it was an actual language will go around telling people that this person talked in a demonic tongue and people will believe them. These people being YOU. You are the idiot who believed what the fool that made up this crap. You breed misinformation and create myths in doing so..

Anyways what I wasn't going to do is explain my beliefs on the matter but I will do so for the benifit of the doubt that you might actually learn something. Highly improbable.

I have gone to church from the time I was born to the age of 15. Our church was penticostal which means we believed in the "Holy Spirt" which would cause people to talk in toungues. After ever service we would have alter calls where people come up to the alter and start praying and singing praises to god. In the middle of all this people would out of no where start "talking in tongues". The holy spirt which these people believed so completely is completely fake.

The idea is people believe that this spirt exists and they want it so much that they actually start creating it for themselves. Its a mania of sorts, it's in your god damn head. How do I know this? I have gone to these prayer sessions and accepted god and wanted to know what this whole spirt things was all about and I wanted to believe for myself.. through experience. Problem is I prayed till I cried and guess what ... I was left there at the alter with the plain hard truth which smacked me in the face. I am not as impressionable as the people are, I cannot create false realities for myself because my common sense does not accept bullsh!t as easily as others.

This combined with all the other claims of supernatural events which the people of the church testified weekly of utter crap which is NOT God's work in their lives but rather the mechanics of fuucking cause and effect. The cause and effect of my parents forcing me to listen to that bullsh!t for 15 years in the simple fact I am now an atheist. Well actually it is a bit more complicated than that because there are many more reasons why I don't believe in such dribble.

Now since you will probably need me to relate this back to your claims of the demonic speaking in weird toungues. These people believe they have a demon inside themselves therefore their mind makes real this reality. Mixed with schizophrenia this is a perfectly reasonable explanation.

What happened? Did everything get deleted?

EDIT: nvm, my thing was messed up
[quote]You see I am not the making vast claims of supernatural events ok? So I ask you what exactly do I need to prove to you? Nothing. If I started claiming crazy ass sh!t then yes it is an appropriate time for you to ask for refences and evidence to back up my claims. [/quote]
Look at all these claims you've made:
[quote]This are not demons but rather symptoms of a seizure[/quote]
[quote]Exorisms are a joke and truly a testament to how retarded religious zelots are[/quote]
[quote]Almost all sorts of "demonic" possesions can be explained with modern psychology[/quote]
[quote]Demons are the uneducated explantion for the mentally ill.[/quote]
You have not backed up any one of these claims.

[/quote]Also the very nature of people analizying the state of mind of the insane is very subjective so really you never will have an argument. Sorry. Making an effort however would be citing a psychologists notes of the differences between the demonicly possesed and the insane. Not just stupid sh!t like they have evil looking eyes (lol), increased strength or make noises that they normally don't make.[/quote]There you go again, you make more claims and yet not backing up ANY one of them the way you wanted us to do so.

[quote]I believe you will be hard pressed to find a psychologist with reputable credentials which will support such claims. [/quote]
Why dont you go find a psychologist with evidence disproving such possessions? You've been saying from the very beginning that this stuff was retarded. We expect you to support your claim, otherwise it's null and void.

[quote]I love how you misread 1/2 of what I write, it's actually quite funny to see you state exactly what I just said. [/quote]
I love how you fail to reply to many of our points.

[quote]You are talking like your an experienced psychologist and your not and probably never will be. One can dream however. You my friend have never been to a mental institution and nor have I, so neither of us have the right to say what the mental people can and cannot do. [/quote]
Then you have no right saying that this exorcism stuff is pure blam.

[quote]Anyways you are a waste of time to even respond to, whatever I type to you always goes over your head so forget it. Keep on believing what you want to, as long as it doesn't affect me. I must say in conclusion, it is a absolutely amazing the bullsh!t some people will believe and they don't have the intellegence to deeper for the real answer to whats actually going on. These people will continue in their ignorance until science will yet again prove their stupid asses wrong. It's a pattern which has occured all through histroy and continues to this day.[/quote]
Yea, people like you.

[quote]You are an idiot.. that's why. This whole god damn time i've been talking about stateing evidence of stupid ass claims. ok? Then right after that you post exactly what I said NOT to. (Your first post)

I really shouldn't do this because you have already proven your inablity to understand a basic concept-- people can say whatever the hell they want. Someone says somebody talks in demonic tongues others say its jibberish. The person who believed it was an actual language will go around telling people that this person talked in a demonic tongue and people will believe them. These people being YOU. You are the idiot who believed what the fool that made up this crap. You breed misinformation and create myths in doing so..

Anyways what I wasn't going to do is explain my beliefs on the matter but I will do so for the benifit of the doubt that you might actually learn something. Highly improbable.

I have gone to church from the time I was born to the age of 15. Our church was penticostal which means we believed in the "Holy Spirt" which would cause people to talk in toungues. After ever service we would have alter calls where people come up to the alter and start praying and singing praises to god. In the middle of all this people would out of no where start "talking in tongues". The holy spirt which these people believed so completely is completely fake.

The idea is people believe that this spirt exists and they want it so much that they actually start creating it for themselves. Its a mania of sorts, it's in your god damn head. How do I know this? I have gone to these prayer sessions and accepted god and wanted to know what this whole spirt things was all about and I wanted to believe for myself.. through experience. Problem is I prayed till I cried and guess what ... I was left there at the alter with the plain hard truth which smacked me in the face. I am not as impressionable as the people are, I cannot create false realities for myself because my common sense does not accept bullsh!t as easily as others.

This combined with all the other claims of supernatural events which the people of the church testified weekly of utter crap which is NOT God's work in their lives but rather the mechanics of fuucking cause and effect. The cause and effect of my parents forcing me to listen to that bullsh!t for 15 years in the simple fact I am now an atheist. Well actually it is a bit more complicated than that because there are many more reasons why I don't believe in such dribble.

Now since you will probably need me to relate this back to your claims of the demonic speaking in weird toungues. These people believe they have a demon inside themselves therefore their mind makes real this reality. Mixed with schizophrenia this is a perfectly reasonable explanation.[/quote]
Good for you. But don't go running around saying how people are stupid for believing/making this sort of stuff if you aren't going to provide strong arguments.

I'm taking MiLlEnNiUmArMy's side.

Reading through this, you have clearly shown that you ignore what everyone has to say.

His inability to grasp a basic concept? The only one I see in this thread that has the inability to grasp a basic concept is you. You sit there and rag on us saying we are all retarded because we believe in this sort of thing. Where is your proof that it is fake? Don't start telling us to prove anything, because you are to egotistical to try to listen to our arguments against you (Another Ihatett?)

You try to argue against the fact that someone said different languages, and another said jibberish. Hmmm... Do I have to spell it out for you? They are called EXAMPLES. Clearly, you cannot understand that basic fact, so you clearly flame us for pointing out a good and plausible possibility that they are real.

Now. For my example to show to you what we mean.

How is it possible that an American, who does not know Russian, is just suddenly able to speak it? That is impossible.

Here is another example.

How is it possible for an African who has never heard German in is life, able to speak it fluently? It is not.

Mind you, these are examples of what we mean. So please. Try to avoid flamming us again for pointing out plausible possibilities just because you think that mental people can just suddenly "learn" these languages.



Not true. I believe there is something inside me, but there isn't and my mind doesn't make it a reality.

And yes. It is possible that Schizophrenia can make these demons real, but doubtful. Explain to us how they can speak a language known to man, spoken by other men, written by other men, when they have no prior knowledge of the language.

Have I spelt it out good enough for you yet? Or do you still believe and refuse to listen to our points?

Just because you believe them to be mental cases (And you yet to provide evidence to your claim. Oh yes. Hypocracy. You tell us to prove it and we try. Yet we ask you to do the same, and you say you don't need to, or all the evidence points to it. Where? Where is this "evidence" you speak of?... Hmmm..... Hypocrite) does not mean they are.

And you call yourself an atheist because you aren't "subjectable" as others? It shows. You're to hardheaded to even have a reasonable debate with because you throw out everyones arguments, and only listen to your own delisionised ones.

You call everyone morons because they believe in something that is true? Just because it cannot be proven? No one can prove the existance of god except for one thing. Creation. Look around. It cannot be evolution. First off, because one celled organisms will only produce other one celled organisms. Second, because if you think about it, how can earth just manage to be in the right spot to sustain life? One degree closer or farther from the sun and Terra would be uninhabitable

Ever heard of something called faith? Apperantly you haven't. Just because people believe in god, does not make them deficient mindless retards. Go ahead and call their faith "blind". You're to egotistical and arrogent to even consider the possibility that they may be right.

And I ask you this. Where would you be in this world if it wasn't for religion and or "the illusion of god"? And if you want to try to say we would be better off without it because there wouldn't be any terrorist attacks. Get a life. The Al Queda are a radical extremist group of Muslims that have blown the Muslim book waaaaay out of proportion, so you cannot blame god nor religion for the faults of men who can't read.

I'm going to keep this short because anything longer than a few sentences would be all in vain, you think you know irony and hypocrisy .. you know nothing of the sorts except how to create it.

I think I should maybe start typing like people talk to little kids, maybe then you guys will understand some of these words. Hey there little Kellimus, do you know a lie is? Do you know if you say something that isn't true you are telling a lie? Thats what that is what you are doing when you say somebody spoke in German when he only knows African languages. YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN ME ANY PROOF OF PEOPLE SPEAKING IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGES. I do not have to prove this wrong because you see nobody actually proved these people have done it. Such a simple concept so foreign to you, your grose ignorance appears to be infinate.

Anyways too many words I have wasted on you and your friend already, this is done. Have fun in your world of demons and spirts that is entirely make believe..

lol this is the second time you ignored my post. And you used Kellimus' posts as an escape route.


What we say is true. The fact that people do speak different languages was shown in that A&E video that you and I saw, it was also shown in that link of an exorcism you posted. Exorcisms have been analysed by psychologists and they were shown and interviewed on the A&E program. There have been actual cases of exorcisms videotaped in which the A&E program, the link n2o simpson made in the first post, and the link you posted have actually shown and proven. So we've proved our facts. You seriously have a problem if you think the actions done by the possessed people were never proven to have existed. I'm sorry but that's the plain truth, even kellimus and n2o-simpson knows that.

Now if you still insist that we're wrong, then go find evidence supporting your arguments. We'll be waiting.

Sorry to bring up this retarded thread again but this has to be cleared because this is a huge problem.. Religious idiots quoting Einstein to lend weight to their beliefs.



NO. Einstein was not talking about how god does OR does not interact with the universe. He was talking about QUANTEM MECHANICS not what God does and does not do. He was saying he doesn't believe interactions between particles on the atomic scale are happen chance as appose to general relativity which is not so chaotic.

God does not play dice with the universe

Stop :censored:ing saying blam like Einstein said this or that about God... Einstein doesn't want you taking his words and twisting it for your religion. It is my speculation that Einstein would want you to believe in YOUR god for YOUR reasons and not HIS.

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