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It's possilbe because they're just lifting the person, if 4 people can't lift one of roughly the same stature then something is wrong.

So you're saying that Tibetian Monks who can stop swords with their stomach are fakes eh? How about the episode of Ripley's Believe it or not where a guy teaches people how to control their Chi/Ki and he karate chops a chick that was very petite, right in the neck, and she miraculously walked away, unhurt?

So you're calling Martial Arts fake, too, eh?

Chi/Ki is real. Just because you have never used it, and haven't seen it done, doesn't mean it is fake. So quit debunking things because of your opinion on it. Get the facts, THEN debunk it.



Who are you :censored:ing at? If you would read through the WHOLE thread, you would learn that everyone here thinks that the article is fake, but a few of us believe that some sort of levitation IS POSSIBLE. It doesn't mean IT EXISTS, it is POSSIBLE. Under certain circumstances though.

I know I didn't say it, but read what was implied.

That is not Chi, that is a simple case of mind over matter. They do not stop swords, they stop kento sticks. It's not tibeten monks, it's Shaolin Warriors.

Girl getting chopped in the neck? She walked away unhurt because she was hypnotized.

Well, they're lifting the person with one finger each. And anyway, the second time they lifted, it was incredibly easy but the first time it was incredibly hard, yet they were using the same lifting positions both times.

Kellimus, none of those things prove the existence of chi/ki/ti. There are ways to take a very powerful hit and suffer little damage, but it's pretty obvious that both this martial arts man and the women are very well trained. Show me how I would observe this chi/ti/ki, because you still don't have any "facts" to back you up. Diamagnetics still is not something you could consciously controll. I also forgot when a group of humans became a rare earth magnet. The only way for this "levitiation" that I could take seriously is if you set up a large magnet underneath the person, in which case, it is still just magneticism. Also, you guys seem to forget that BSTRhine's story is irrelevent, until you can produce some video or photographic evidence (which could be fraudulent, mind you), then there is still no proof. If a single witness is all you have in court, and they're making wild claims without a nonbiased party to back them up, then you're probably not going to get a conviction.

That is your explaination hmm?

Watch the episode.



Watch the episode of Ripley's Believe it or Not and that is my proof. Or how about asking any Oriental people (Not from America. I mean straight from the Orient)

And if you still don't believe then you must not be very open-minded or something.

It's not a matter of open mindedness, it's a matter of you having no proof of this ti/chi/ki whatever existing. I've watched Ripley's Believe It Or Not, where real people swallow swords, swallow fire, etc. It's a state of mind you get yourself into, if you had payed attention to the god damn show. Tell me how this kick not hurting them proves the existence of ti/ki/chi. The truth is, it doesn't, it just shows you don't know the scientific method from your ass-hole.

What kick? What kick are you talking about? I never once said anything about a kick you wonderful friend.

Just because you're a skeptic, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

And you seem to have ignored me when I said go ask any Oriental person about it.

They will go on and on and on about the existance of Chi/Ki (And wtf is Ti? I've never heard it called that)

To clear anything up, levitation is possible.
Scientists have done it.

Have you not seen the scientists with all the wacky equipment make water float out of a plastic cup yet remain its shape? Or plastic plates just fly up to the ceiling?

It takes huge amounts of energy and the use of magnetic fields and radio waves. Im not sure how it works, but it happened. Its been documented by the US government and been proven not to be a hoax.

But, I doubt that crap on the video happened. Thats kinda garbage.
Still, levitation IS possible. Its been done.

Kellimus believes everything he see's on tv.

It's actually funny you believe in spirts and demons but at the same time believe in Toaism (edit: orignally said Buddhism) all the same. Fact is you don't know what you believe.

Highly impressionable youth.. The unfortunate byproduct of our society these days.

People can believe in whatever they want to. Doesn't matter if its wrong or right.
I dont believe in demon or spirits but I'm not saying Kellimus is wrong. Techically we dont even know if they exsist or not. So maybe you're wrong?

One can use logic to understand the basic principal that any two ideologies do not state the same beliefs... therefore as long as one states something differently than the other... Either one or the other is wrong.

No sh!t people can believe in whatever they want and they do and they come on here and spew their babble.. Kellimus clearly states he believes in one thing (earlier spirits and demons) of Christian ideologies while he believes in Oriental philosophy and metaphysics.. you can fool yourself into thinking they are compatible, they are not however.

(Correction, Buddhism is not directly related to Taoism)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daoism#Taoism_and_Buddhism

It's possible for 4 people to lift 1 person using only 1 index finger from each though, that's actually pretty cool to try out. Obviously, this isn't magical levitation, so choose someone light to lift.

Let me fix that for you "Because you're a skeptic, means it does exist." Funny, since that's not exactly what you said, but it's surely what you were thinking. Again, I bring up the burden of proof: the person making the claims towards it's existence must present evidence towards it. Vaguely referencing some martial arts technique you saw on television hardly counts as "proof". I suggest you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof#Other_uses

It's funny this is like a repeat from Kellimus previous arguement (or lack there of). Unfortunately himself and MilleniumArmy believe that they can make vast claims as to whatever they want and it is our job to prove them wrong even though they have little or no evidence to start with. It's like me saying I invented a cold fusion reactor and when someone says they don't believe me, I respond "You prove to me how I did not" without showing them the device.

The thing is I did show you my evidence (which you seemingly did not have the brain power to understand). But the thing is you've also made NUMEROUS assumptions without evidence in that thread which i have already pointed out. I love how people sometimes don't know what they're talking about.

I believe everything I see on TV hmm? First off, I don't even watch TV. Second, why does everything have to relate to eachother? They are two completely different things. So of course, they are going to have no connection.

First you stereotype me by saying that since I Liquid Rave, I have "done my share of MDMA" and now you call me a youth when i'm 18?

And how do you know what I believe and what I don't? Ever heard of someone with an open mind? Aperantly not. Just because I believe in demons and spirits, doesn't mean I don't believe in Spiritual Energy (Chi/Ki) So what the is your problem?

Oh that's right, to much MDMA for you (You even admited it)

Here, go suck a pacifier. If you are a raver like you say you are, you will know exactly what I mean.



When did we say that we were comparing things? Why do you come in here and try to start an argument with something from another thread?

Get a :censored:ing life man.



Like MilleniumArmy has stated many times in the last thread, We have shown our proof, where is yours?

But enough of trying to bring in an argument from another thread.

I believe in Spiritual Energy (Chi/Ki) because I have researched enough Marial Arts to know that the Orients have a good idea going with their Chi/Ki explainations.

Have any of you ever heard of Yoga? In Yoga you use your Spiritual Energy (Chi/Ki) also.

I not really intrested in pointing out the fallacies in your reply so I will leave that up to Wilhem or someone else that knows what their talking about. I will however leave you with this:



If you want to call a druggy stupid it's important not to make grammatical errors in that very same sentence which you made that claim. It's also hypocritcal that you are getting all angry about somebody is sterotyping you, yet you have no problem sterotyping someone who has done MDMA as stupid. Good job.

How am I stereotyping you? For the fact you claimed you have done MDMA and it has warped your sense of logic?

And never did I call you stupid because you have done MDMA. I have stated that the MDMA has caused you to have a warped sense of perception and/or logic.

Trying to put words in my mouth hmm?

And what "fallacies" are there in my argument? The things you don't agree with?

You cannot change someones OPINION.

You can try all you want to show "facts" to try to change someones OPINION, but in fact it is very stupid to try to do that because it is the way they percieve it.

Go ahead and keep calling me stupid and dumb all you want, it doesn't matter to me. Because you act just like Ihatett does.

"I'm right, you're wrong! I don't need to prove how i'm right even when you tell me to because i'm right and you're wrong!"

Kellimus, there's no logic behind "I saw Ripley's Believe It Or Not, the martial arts guy didn't kill the girl, that is physical evidence of chi/ki". I don't doubt that the girl survived, but it does nothing to prove the existence of chi/ki. The fallacies are: You believe in two contradicting philosophies, you place the burden of proof on the other party, when it is your job to prove it to exist, you cannot disprove the existence of something. How can you have evidence that something doesn't exist? Think about it, it's not rational. "I have evidence that there aren't bats here. I found a shovel. Bats are never near shovels". All that proves is that there's a shovel. If there are "bats here", then show us the evidence. Otherwise, shut the hell up. Ihatett doesn't even bother with arguments, he simply says "Oh you're a liberal communist Nazi, blah blah blah blah blah". You haven't presented any evidence to your claims, yet still you act as though we're the ones with a "warped sense of logic". This is coming from the guy who once said that the government planted bombs in the World Trade Center.

Two contradicting philosophies hmm?

How does believing in spirits and demons contradict Spiritual Energy? Just because Spiritual Energy ties in to Oriental philosophies, and spirits and demons don't? I don't believe in Taoism or any other oriental philosopy/religion so why in the do you guys assume that because I believe in Spiritual Energy I just HAVE to believe in Oriental philosophy? Pull your heads out of your asses and wake up and smell the damn sunshine.

Just because a person believes in something that comes from something else, doesn't mean they believe EVERYTHING that deals with it.

"This is coming from the guy who once said that the government planted bombs in the World Trade Center."

I never said that. I just agreed. I don't know if there were bombs planted or not. I just said it was a possibility because of how the building fell straight down instead of falling over.

That's because you don't know the mechanics of what happpened. First, the plane hit the WTC. Immediately, it exploded, and the building insides were on fire. The steel supports melted, and the floor above collasped onto the one below. Then that fell, and the one below fell, and the one below fell, etc.

That was on the top floors. How do you explain the bottom ones crumbling first? Hmm?