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At least PSP rehash is more advanced. It "rehashed" one of the best Ps2 games that were claimed to change gaming, the Mario DS (Whether you like it or not) was a good game, but it was 2 generations ago, unlike the PSP's GTA which was 1 generation ago.


Did you have Advance Wars Before? What about Need for Speed for the DS or any sports game, along with other games like Rouge Agent or Splinter Cell. It's the beginning of a advance portable life, they both have rehases just that PSP's are acutally good so they stick out more.


My response was to show that you can't argue on what someone should like better then the other.


What your giving me is:
20 hours of a bad looking game that I don't like
or 6 Hours of a great looking game that I do like. I'll take the second one. Most road trips stress on for much longer then 6 hours anyway (Or until you get to an outlit)


That was so people won't start arguements like "BUT IT BREAKS!!!". It was more of a heads up then trying to argue.

Meaning you?
"I'm going to post this and never post again cause I'm so cool and I know I suck at arguing so if anyone finds a flaw in my arguement I won't be able to defend myself".
That's great that it's JAPAN sales, in America PSP is winning, I don't know by how much though.

That's because the DS doesn't have internet, which if anyone buys a PSP for the internet should be stabbed.

Everything you see on the PSP can be done on a PS2. Several games on the DS can only be played on the DS, because they involve touching, using the microphone or two screens. This means, you can ONLY get those experiences using a DS, which makes it impossible to be a rehash. The PSP is too similar to the PS2 to justify my purchase.

"One of the best", "good game" are just opinions. Like I said, they don't add to anything.


Advance Wars uses the basic formula, but this argument fails because pretty much any sequel does that. Whether it's Underground 2, Tekken 5 or Final Fantasy whatever, they use the same build and add on to it. How is this an argument at all?

Again, you say "cuz the PSP's are good", which is an OPINION, and again, does not add at all to an argument. In my opinion, PSP's aren't "good" because they are like playing a PS2 game, except you have to worry about battery life and lose the comfort of a joystick. At least the DS adds touch screens and a microphone to make it have different experiences from console games.



You don't seem to get it. What I wrote was my experience of the PSP's sliding disk. I NEVER intended to say because I hated it, it sucks for everyone else. What I assumed you said was, "Because I'm so special, whatever I like, automatically makes it good." What I said only applies to me, I NEVER said because I hate something it's bad for everyone.



Again, WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK? The world does not revolve around you. If YOU happen to like eating rotten cheese, does that make eating it good for the rest of the world? You can't justify something as good because you think it is. You need to present FACTS on why it's better. I apologize if this is harsh, but I don't think you understand my message.

What you seem to say here is that the PSP has better graphics, which we already established as a fact. I'm not giving you anything, other than other facts, such as loading times, less battery life and higher costs. These are facts, as in I'm not giving you anything from my opinions.



I agree, sales don't mean anything. However, it is a fact that the DS is doing better worldwide than the PSP. Popularity does not mean quality. If 9/10 people loved eating poop at your school, would you automatically join in? Therefore, majority vote does not always appeal to the individual.

DS does have all that stuff the problem is that they hardly use it, at this current time the DS blows (In my opinion of course, and many others) but if they think of more games that acutally use the things they added in, the portable would be a lot better.


By one of the best and good games I'm refering to how many units they sold, if you don't like the game, great. That doesn't change the fact that there's over a million over people that do like it.


I keep mentioning to you that the battery life isn't that bad, when's the last time you went on a 20 hour long road trip? Or a 10 hour road trip without reaching an outlit?

What I was getting at is that they're is no point arguing over whether the Analog stick is better then the D-Pad because everyone has personal prefence. You don't like the analog err, disc, and I do, nothing is going to change our minds so we can stop arguing about it? (AKA don't reply to this paragraph since it's not trying to prove anything)

I'm one out of hundreads or millions of people that like the PSP better then the DS, or just plain like the PSP and are so rich they buy both.

Well here's a little facts for you. The Ps2 has crappier graphics thent he Xbox by a little bit (I don't really know where the Gamecube stands graphic's wise so I'm using XBox and Ps2). However the Xbox is NOT selling better then the Ps2, maybe it's because people thought Xbox's games suck and the Ps2's didn't? Like the PSP and DS. PSP has a crappy battery life, but not many people seem to care enough to not buy it all together, it might be because they have a grudge against nintendo, or maybe it's because the DS' games suck (currently).

World Wide, maybe, I'm not exactly sure on that one. I know DS is winning Japan PSP is winning America by some percentage but other places like Austrila, Europe, and Canada, I have no idea. Since your so into facts why don't you find a website with sale charts.

ok for all of you that DONT EVEN HAVE A PSP...ill clear something up....the psp believe it or not is extremely durable. yes it willscratch easily sometimes but try dropping one down a staircase and see if it works..it will. and the batery life depends on what you are doing with it....7-8 hours for pivture viewing, 5.5-6.5 for music(and the PSP supports WAV MP4 MP3 M4A ATRAC3 and ATRAC3+). for videos/movies you can just spend a few minutes DLing an MPEG4 Converter and your set. and you can buy a Giga Pack for 300$ which includes a stand for movies and such AND a 1GB memory stick...also you can use ANY memory stick DUO in the psp.

I agree that the features can be used a lot better, but I think so far, it's decent. You can draw custom images on the DS and with the touch screen, you can have more buttons than the 6 you already have. Kirby Canvas Curse uses the touch screen to good use, as well as Wario Ware touched. Whether it uses it well or not is really opinion. Mine is just as good as yours.



If you are so confident about your "facts" can you give me your sources, which state which games sold a million or not? How do we know you aren't pulling numbers out of your head? For a million people that might like it, there could be 5 million that hate it. Statistics, unless proven, are worth nothing.

Just because Beyond Good & Evil did not sell well, does it mean it's a bad game? Just because Second Sight did not sell well, is it a bad game? Just because Psychonauts, Syberia or Still Life didn't sell well, are they bad games?



I went 2 weeks ago to Washington DC and we frequently had bus rides, so I could have benefitted from using the DS there definitely. Whether or not you prefer it is just opinion, which is worth nothing to the argument. The point is that the DS has double the battery life of the PSP. Whether you like it or not, that's a fact. Let's leave the readers to decide if they think this is good or not.



You like the sliding disk better, good for you. I like d-pad better, at least on the PSP. It's not an argument, it's just preference. My opinion has nothing to prove, nor does yours. Why you thought my opinion was an argument is beyond me.



Before you start assuming things, why don't you give me websites that show NUMBERS. Whether this is true or not, it doesn't prove how the PSP is better than the DS. So if 9/10 people in the world started eating rotten cheese, that makes it better than eating normal cheese. The majority vote does not appeal to the individual.



The cube is better than the PS2 in the graphics department. Maybe that's why RE4 had to be TONED DOWN for the PS2. PS2 games can hold more content however. As for your example, it doesn't make sense. Why people bought the PS2 more is something you can't prove, nor can I. I do believe that LAUNCHING FIRST had a lot to do with it

Who are you to tell why people didn't buy consoles? Maybe it's because they don't like Microsoft? Maybe it's because they didn't want to pay to go online? There are so many reasons that your logic is screwed up. You can't automatically assume something and parade it as a fact.

Again, majority vote has nothing to do with this argument. If 9/10 of the world went bald, would it be good to go bald? How many people liking something has no relation to it's quality.



Here you go:

"Currently, the Nintendo DS is outselling the PSP in total worldwide unit sales with over 8 million units sold"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_DS

From here it states:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Portable

As of Friday October 21, 2005 the PSP had shipped 10 million units worldwide. These are only figures for the number of PSP units shipped to retailers, however; actual sales figures of the system are unavailable.

We do know however that the DS is outselling in Japan with 2,262,836, compared to the PSPs 1,328,325.

http://www.gamesarefun.com/gamesdb/platform.php?id=84
http://www.gamesarefun.com/gamesdb/platform.php?id=74

Sales don't matter however. Quantity is not related to quality.

As far as this thread goes, I've listed areas where the DS beats the PSP, while the PSP has better graphics and a larger screen. I could say it also plays music and movies, but so can the DS with play-yan.

However, what ultimately suits the person should be games. If the person was looking for a movie player, they should get a portable dvd player. If they wanted music, get a ipod or cd player. PSP and DS are primarily called portable gaming machines. This ultimately goes down to what games the consumer prefers. So what makes the DS better than the PSP or the PSP better than the DS for THE INDIVIDUAL ONLY, are the games that the prefer to play.

DS> PSP
If I want to play GTA III, or any other game on the PSP, I would have bought a PS2.
DS has great potential, and people neglect that because Nintendo makes DS.

My friend bought the PS2 because it came out first and he needed a new system... But then when i got the Xbox when it came out... He said "Dam... i shoulda Waited..."

I think nintendo knEW what they were doing with handhelds but the DS has some flaws... now the gameboy micro... CoMON i dont wana be looking at a screen where i cant see the guys... the PSP screen is just a little to big and wide... If they knocked about a cm off the side and top then I would like that size... Its big and heavy and i wouldn't like holding that for 3 hours of playtime...

I am guessing, but it's a reasonable guess, even if you hate GTA you should know that it DOES sell. How much I don't know but I wouldn't be surprised if it's around a million, give or take.

No, but like you said, it's all opinion, and apparently, everyone didn't like those games. I myself haven't played any of them, but you seem to keep changing your mind whether your opinion counts or if numbers count. In this paragraph you say in your opinion these were good games, I could say they sucked. But I have these things that you also like to use (Only to your advantage) showing that they didn't sell well. Even though I don't, it's implied that those didn't sell as good as other games that you say are bad.

OK it has two times the amount of battery, what I'm getting at is that it doesn't really matter that much. It's not like PSP has a battery life for 20 minutes or 2 hours. It's 6 hours if you have everything at 50-60% sound and brightness. Having another 6 hours, could change for REALLY long road trips that strench to 12 hours. But even then I seriously doubt there's a DS game you can playf or 12 hours straight.


Well I was making a comparsion to battery power on portalables and graphics on systems, maybe they didn't match up incredblie well, sue me.


<Due to the site being down I had a response to this but it's currently down, it'll be edited later>


As I said so many pages ago DS is for more of "Well that's cool" puzzle games and things like that. PSP is for more serious games that could've been for a normal consle, just the idea of having it being portable is good enough for people.

totally false with such bad graphic it cant get anywhere. The game system itself is not strong enough to do something good. expect for dual screen.

and btw heres my end story

dont care what anyone else thinks..

DS you guys go play your pokemon ok?

PSP id rather go play some GTA or something like that.

comon it wont change. Nintendo wont make any better games then Pokemon or anything you kidding me and thoes little puzzle games.

all the good games so far came out in Playstation and Xbox and i wouldnt expect nintendo to ever come back again. I mean i havent seen anything good from them for a long time.

Not that the DS is so great, but comparing Zelda, Mario, Metriod, Starfox and Super Smash Brothers to POKEMON, is just insulting. Although I doubt all ports or idea for making a DS version of any of those games (Except Metriod, 2D scrolling would be cool) would most likely suck.

This is a forum, not a chat room.. how many times are you going to be told that.

DS has great potential because... ITS DUAL SCREEN GIVES IT THE POTENTIAL!

Sigh, you make VERY little sense with the argument you're trying to make.

yea dual screen whoot potential yea right.

Obviously even thought it got the dual screen and touch pad the only good thing it can make is shooting games.. other then that everything else just totally sucks.

the graphic sucks

Sigh, you make VERY little sense with your DUAL SCREEN GIVING POTENTIAL argument.

My favorite psp game of all time (because i owned the other part of the series on playstation) is medevil: ressurection. Not the greatest of graphics but it is hilarious and fun.

This is what happens when you post stupid posts, it screws you in the end.
Don't contradict yourself next time...
Thank you.

Neither of you are making any sense, your not arguing either. Dork is saying Dual Screen is potentional and BoyScout is saying that the dual screen is the only good part of the DS. Then Dork posted quoting the part where he said Dual Screen is good but read it wrong so he thought he said it was bad, thus neither of you are making sense.

You both think the Dual Screen is good, great. Also if you guys haven't noticed, you can't sigh in text, so can you please stop starting sentances with "*sigh*" as if either one of you are better then the other?

I think PSP is pretty cool, I don't have one, but they can do pretty much everything. They even make special versions of movies (DVD's w/e) to go with it. I think Sony out did them selves again

if u guys want to "smack talk" the psp or the ds THEN GO OUT AND BUY BOTH LIKE I DID...personaly i use my PSP way more than my DS but i do use my DS once in a while to play mario kart and other clasics....i mean seriously who doesnt like a drunken irish fag in red overals racing.....

sorry but im going to close this fourm and make a poll or can i create a poll here let me check