Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2005-12-15 at 16:17:42
Euro im sorry because I cant change the poll and yes i am very biased in favor of banning Columbus. Im hoping other moderators can change it after reading it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2005-12-15 at 16:21:27
QUOTE(Kow @ Dec 15 2005, 04:07 PM)
I seriously doubt he was completely full blood, just like 'African American' people aren't full African.
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That's what I've been told. I don't have any papers to PROVE it, but he was born in the early 1920s, so it's alot more likely he was (although he wasn't full blood CHEROKEE, he was mostly Cherokee and has some Choctaw, Creek and other tribes in him).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2005-12-15 at 16:28:42
QUOTE(Doodan @ Dec 15 2005, 04:21 PM)
That's what I've been told. I don't have any papers to PROVE it, but he was born in the early 1920s, so it's alot more likely he was (although he wasn't full blood CHEROKEE, he was mostly Cherokee and has some Choctaw, Creek and other tribes in him).
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I'm not denying the fact that he's mostly Cherokee, but I doubt he's 100%
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2005-12-15 at 17:05:39
Banning columbus?
What's his account? Maybe we could suspend columbus.
What's his account? Maybe we could suspend columbus.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2005-12-15 at 18:24:05
Let's just raise his warn level.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-12-15 at 18:26:29
"Warn level raiseed for coming to America."
NAZI MODERATION!
NAZI MODERATION!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2005-12-15 at 18:42:04
Is Colombus a hero or villian? Neither. He's dead.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-12-15 at 19:11:56
I geuss my earlier post had no effect on any one....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-12-15 at 19:15:49
Nobody at all 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by notnuclearrabbit on 2005-12-15 at 20:02:31
[center]He was a guy who did things. I don't have an opinion in the matter.
Celebrate whatever the hell you feel like, just don't do it because everyone else is.[/center]
Celebrate whatever the hell you feel like, just don't do it because everyone else is.[/center]
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2005-12-15 at 20:03:00
QUOTE(Dorkhawk @ Dec 15 2005, 05:05 PM)
Banning columbus?
What's his account? Maybe we could suspend columbus.
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What's his account? Maybe we could suspend columbus.
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We already got The Red Cross banned! xD
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2005-12-15 at 20:40:13
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They then took 8.4 BILLION acres from Indians. Now, all they have was and still is the 6.4 million acre reservation that almost no Indians live in anymore. I think that is some staggering fact for you to handle.
They is a key term here.
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look what they get now! they had 6.8 BILLION acred before Spanish caused havoc in this world. The rightful owners of this land do not get anything besides couple little reservs throughout the country. And I think that is a robbery!
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Land has been taken with brute force in history countless times.
Heck if Columbus hadn't come here you guys wouldn't be born, stop whining.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-12-15 at 20:44:30
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We already got The Red Cross banned! xD
And Jesus, too xD
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-12-15 at 22:01:55
Why would jesus be banned?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-12-15 at 22:23:54
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Dec 15 2005, 12:48 AM)
I just learned this in history and I believe it was Queen Isabella of Spain who ordered him, but I could be wrong.
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When you said "direct orders", I meant who ordered him to kill so many people. I know how he got there. :/
Report, edit, etc...Posted by KrAzY on 2005-12-15 at 22:38:34
QUOTE(BeeR_KeG @ Dec 15 2005, 09:23 AM)
A little history lesson for you all.
Christopher Columbas was only looking for a passage into India via sea by traveling west. During his first expedition, he encountered peacefull indians called the Taínos which told him stories of another group of indians called the Caribs which were canibals. When he returned with news of success, his new orders were to keep exploring. Columbus never founded one settlement except for "La Natividad" in La Hispaniola in 1492. Almost all of the people killed by Columbus' expedition were caused by small battles with the indians.
There were no settlements nor plantations during that time, so there were no slaves.
Columbus was an explorer but not a Conqueror.
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Christopher Columbas was only looking for a passage into India via sea by traveling west. During his first expedition, he encountered peacefull indians called the Taínos which told him stories of another group of indians called the Caribs which were canibals. When he returned with news of success, his new orders were to keep exploring. Columbus never founded one settlement except for "La Natividad" in La Hispaniola in 1492. Almost all of the people killed by Columbus' expedition were caused by small battles with the indians.
There were no settlements nor plantations during that time, so there were no slaves.
Columbus was an explorer but not a Conqueror.
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So true...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-12-15 at 23:04:30
Well he was under orders to find god and suitable slaves. So I geuss he free-styled it and decided to murder the ones that didn't follow their orders etc...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-16 at 12:48:11
Are you XXXXX? Beer just said what he was there to do, you XXXX XXXXX XXXXXXX.
He was never under orders to find god, that was a XXXXXX XXX argument created by a pathetic excuse of a debator
He never was sent to find slaves (You seem to ignore Beer when he said he was an explorer, not a conqueror. Columbus is not Cortes you tard) Yet another XXXXXXX excuse of a debte created by you, Chris.
The reason i'm Ad Homineming you, is because even with evidence in front of your eyes, you throw it out. You're to arrogent for your own good. Now leave here. You're unwanted by people because you "are NEVER wrong"
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This should be closed because Beer pretty much killed the argument with facts.
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He was never under orders to find god, that was a XXXXXX XXX argument created by a pathetic excuse of a debator
He never was sent to find slaves (You seem to ignore Beer when he said he was an explorer, not a conqueror. Columbus is not Cortes you tard) Yet another XXXXXXX excuse of a debte created by you, Chris.
The reason i'm Ad Homineming you, is because even with evidence in front of your eyes, you throw it out. You're to arrogent for your own good. Now leave here. You're unwanted by people because you "are NEVER wrong"
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This should be closed because Beer pretty much killed the argument with facts.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-12-16 at 13:08:24
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Well he was under orders to find god and suitable slaves. So I geuss he free-styled it and decided to murder the ones that didn't follow their orders etc...
LOOOOOL! kellimoose nice flame... anyway when he said god i believe that was a typo for good so it would actually be:
well he was under orders to find good and suitable slaves.
but it still is a poor argument because he wasnt there to find slaves... he was tehre to find a trade route.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-16 at 15:35:58
QUOTE(Sie_Sayoka @ Dec 16 2005, 11:08 AM)
LOOOOOL! kellimoose nice flame... anyway when he said god i believe that was a typo for good so it would actually be:
well he was under orders to find good and suitable slaves.
but it still is a poor argument because he wasnt there to find slaves... he was tehre to find a trade route.
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well he was under orders to find good and suitable slaves.
but it still is a poor argument because he wasnt there to find slaves... he was tehre to find a trade route.
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You underestimate his arrogence and ignorance.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-12-16 at 16:03:50
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I geuss my earlier post had no effect on any one....
maybe because no one likes you....?just a guess. Yes it is spelled gUEss.
and Jet, we WOULD of been born even if he didn't come here. Stop using retarded and completely absurd reasons. We would just not have been born in North America.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2005-12-16 at 16:07:25
He sure discovered America, but it wasnt until after his discovery, people actually learned of the foundation and new continent. Also, that resulted in genocide of Indians...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-16 at 18:11:03
Native Americans -_- Indians are from India -_-
And his finding America didn't result in the genocide of the Native Americans, you whitie.. American's broke treaties.
And his finding America didn't result in the genocide of the Native Americans, you whitie.. American's broke treaties.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2005-12-16 at 19:12:32
So did the natives. They were savages. They filleted people alive, smashed skulls in, and other brutal stuff. Stop trying to make them the nice ones.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2005-12-16 at 19:14:39
QUOTE(Kow @ Dec 16 2005, 07:12 PM)
So did the natives. They were savages. They filleted people alive, smashed skulls in, and other brutal stuff. Stop trying to make them the nice ones.
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I hope you're not talking about Native Americans...