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SEN needs an enemy, a rival.

Without war people become lazy and everything turns to crap.

I honestly think it's time to get a bit stricter.
Some of you might remember the member Starcraft411.. He made a topic about him begging the mods to ban him. All he gets a stupid warn and a fine? I don't know what he got for sure, but I think people like that should be banned ASAP. People like X-I-King-I-X or whatever his name was. After getting into confrontations such as the first one he got into, he might as well be banned.
Oh yeah, I find it funny how Beer's chart shows SEN starting ~10 times higher than it is now.

The fact that you weren't here when SEN was supposely that high in quality only proves his chart correct.

What?
I just find it funny how it started off that high, or rather how low we are now.
I mean, according to that chart, SEN practically started off at it's peak...

It only started off on its peak, because there were not many people to determine the rating.

As more people came in the rating dropped because there was more people to get ratings and judgements from. We do not need a war. This quality drop is not from moderators... it's from lack of interest in the game itself. It's hard to imagine people like us; 20+ aged; still playing sc and making maps. It's just a fact. People grow older. People get lives. People change. That's all there is to it.

There is a FAQ forum and it is meant for the new members.

I endorse this statement.

Hell, I check the guidelines every once in a while myself, and I've been here for 5 months.

Before that forum was made, there was still a lower level of flaming and immaturity.

This leads me to look to the moderators/Moose for some support. Could it really be that the "harsh" banning of members was what kept everyone in line?

There is no evidence that banning members has actually increased the quality of sen.

I think it's better not to give in to his "demands."

It did when Yae was banned.

But his ass wasn't kicked to the moon.
Instead he caused major havoc.
It may be so that his english isn't good, but not following the rules constantly really pestered many members.

Everyone on this forum has become outsiders to one another.
There's nothing really keeping us together.

I mean, im losing touch with Rexy! Only my favoritest friend ever.

...driving my point home. Let people know that you'll do something if they act up. Walk the talk.

...and...Reddy...

Maybe it can be possible to host more tournaments or community togetherness activities that can bring forth new light into the quality of sen. More togetherness is the key to quality. Before there were close ties. Now its really more like an unwound ball of twine. Let's coil the ball into a better place.

And rexy,

Red Rexy

But nobody likes each other.

I think there should be stricter rules to this place and tougher punishments. In serious discussion its hard to get anything serious going. Also, the same topics such as: Is AI possible, what is the answer to life, is george bush a good president, etc. keep on reappearing.

Another problem is the download database. A lot of them are good and a lot of them suck. Perhaps you could be alittle more strict on the quality. If you sorted it out I'm sure people would be more active in it just because they know whats in there is quality. I'm sure if you did though, you'd remove my plant trees map . Thankfully, the melee was cleared up a lot better.

The wav's need to be sorted as well. I swear theres like 5 killing sprees, 5 lightnings, ect. A lot of unreal tournament stuff is in there duplicated 500 times.

Tounraments could also help. I think though the problem with them is that they only encourage the pros. Perhaps if you had a newbie map making contest, the other people would be encouraged more.

I don't know exactly how you could punish people. I don't think banning is helping to much. It makes some people get mad and leave. The alternatives are slim though. You could try reduction in minerals and post count as a first warning. Perhaps bans from certain forum areas.

I know you guys already know most of this but, just saying my thoughts.

Indeed the map making contests only bring out the top tiers of the sen community... then again, there aren't very many people who post maps of low quality. Most people who make low quality maps do not participate in its entirety. A contest is to see who's the best. Simple and straightforward, however it does encourage bonding. Hm. I would not know how to set up a "newbie map making contest" as you put it... simply because it wouldn't make sense... that would restrict the top tier sen mapping gods from participating? Where's the bonding in that?

Well, they could get advice and tips from the better people. The thing is that I'm imagining way more map making gods are leaving than are coming. We need to encourage the newbs as much as possible and not to much of that is happening. If you also got more strict in the submissions of maps then it may make the newbs work harder on their maps. It'll also put some off but I think its better to have 10 quality than 50 ok maps.

There aren't as many maps submitted that suck impared to good ones but for whatever reason sucky ones do slip through occasionaly. Maybe we could have 1 of the moderators aprove them or not and then they're put into this category where the SENers say they like them or not. If they have a positive response, they go in, if not they don't. I don't know how high activity would be in a system like this, just a thought as usual.

It would be way tougher to judge 50 maps then 10 maps. Think of all the problems with that. There are implications with that sorta stuff like what happened in the recent contest...


They are leaving, and "newbs" are not so good at making maps because of one very grave reason: starcraft is an old program that is getting obsolete. There are dozens of highly polished games out there that have replay value beyond that of SC. Face it... its old technology. It's a classic in my mind however. I still love you sc. I do!

I agree it'd be way tougher to judge 50 maps over 10 maps. I don't know where I said that exactly in my thing. I said I'd prefere 10 quality maps over 50 ok maps. I don't understand exactly how you got the notion that I'd prefere to have 50 maps judged but, whatever.

Yes SC is old and outdated. I wouldn't deny that. In about 2 years it will be a decade old infact. I'm just suggesting some ideas that would help it last as long as possible.

Well, if I may point something out.

We all seem to be saying that SeN is going in a downhill slope, and that things aren't as great as they once were. We have heard the complaints that there are too many "newbs" on the site and that everyone who was truely passionate about map making has left, and so on and so forth.

Truth be told, there will always be newcommers to a game, as long as the game is still in exsistance and people are still having babies. The real aukward fall out, in my eyes, is that the great leaders of this site have left, and nobody is really standing up to take their places. We see them leave and think that site has had a good run, that thats all there is, instead of building upon their ideas and idealologies. There is still so much more that can be done in mapmaking. I would be up to the wazoo in maps right now if I weren't so busy with the rest of my life, but I can say with certainty that this is still only the begining. There is a lot more that can be created.
So if you will bear with it, this should not be a time of dwelling on the past, but a look into the future. We've got a long way to go.

Before you point the figure look at my recent postings. Mainly the ones I've had in Serious and Lite, I think out the posts outside of null. I think out my posts before I type them, so do you have some sort of problem with me thinking out 4-5 lines every 2 minutes? (My posts per day has gone done recently aswell.) Not to mention you only joined a couple months before me.

The only people I see trying to get attention from moderators, (You can't say senior members, aside from Admins and Mods they're all gone.) stick around for less than a month. Or they succeed and stay a bit longer.

To sum up my argument against you;

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I noticed that the steeped decline in the chart was the month that I joined.

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I endorse the graph, endorse the FAQs and rules, and so on and so forth.



Hell, this is treatable, everyone is just busy being too stuck up and disagreeable to let it get better. I can't blame them, complaining about people is alot easier than getting to know people.

We don't need to be a stricter community, we need to be a community more willing to follow rules. Not to mention the considerable decline in actual mapping going on here.

The general atmosphere has recently picked up, with the overall desire to do something. We jsut aren't sure what we want to do yet, but when we are. It'll be good.

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In sumation, yes beating a dead horse.

@R2B+That killa-04 guy : Guys, I don't think anybody is complaining about mapmaking. Tournies aren't going to help at all. It's the quality of members and their maturity.

Syphon, how do we get people to follow rules? Being strict or forcing them to read ALL of the FAQ's
I've read all of them, and I can't say they exactly helped, but it gave me a basic understanding of what to not do on this site, although I pretty much figured you guys wouldn't want me to flame here.