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Report, edit, etc...Posted by ... on 2006-02-27 at 13:49:43

QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Feb 27 2006, 01:34 AM)

Not entirely(to post number 1), correct me if Im wrong here but the Angel Gabriel (or some Angel) decided to go AWOL sort of became evil. Isn't that how the devil came to be? Or did this rogue angel join the devil?

I dunno I need to read some more. ouch, pwned myself.
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It's Lucifer, the angel of music. Also, evil is just absence of good. That's what it is in my point of view.

Also, here is a good site to answer most/all your anti-God questions -> Link

My favorite part is this

Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2006-02-27 at 16:37:26

Answers In Genesis is a horrible website. Their idea of a secular being is always to the extreme, much like how @:@ compared making someone mad justifies killing in the secular point of view.

As for the website, look at this picture:
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They claim that if a book states "It is written", then it is infalliable. That even if new facts are presented, they cannot change their ideas and faiths. That they are limited to only those things. I pity those who cannot accept change.

To be realistic, to a secular human, morals are judged on value. We have given gold a value; it required no god. We then weigh these values in our mind based on past experience to determine the action that should take place.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-02-27 at 16:54:26

I agree with most comments before mine, and one more error..

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Does hate exist?
No it doesn't. Hate is just no love. Love does exist, hate doesn't.

What if you don't know someone, and therefore don't love them at all? Not the same as hating them -_-.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by ... on 2006-02-27 at 18:00:19

QUOTE(CheeZe @ Feb 27 2006, 04:37 PM)

Really? I never bothered to read through that site. :/

Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2006-02-27 at 18:08:52

Exactly!

If you're going to give the source for something, at least read through it to make sure that the source actually supports your point of view.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2006-02-27 at 18:14:33

QUOTE(CheeZe @ Feb 27 2006, 02:37 PM)

As for the website, look at this picture:
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Hmm. Hey CheeZe, I think you may be interpruting that wrong. I think that its trying to state that rewriting waters down the original facts; not that new facts are bad.

edit:: @:@ is sexier

Report, edit, etc...Posted by @:@ on 2006-02-27 at 18:27:06

QUOTE(CheeZe @ Feb 27 2006, 04:37 PM)

Answers In Genesis is a horrible website. Their idea of a secular being is always to the extreme, much like how @:@ compared making someone mad justifies killing in the secular point of view.

You missed my point, I wasn't saying making someone mad justifies killing. My point was that YOU, YOURSELF always believe you are doing the RIGHT thing, in your own eyes, no matter the situation.

edit:: Kame is sexy <3

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Merrell on 2006-02-27 at 18:45:28

Uh.. no, God didn't create Evil.. God didn't create anything. Humans simply created God. Humans just go the easy way, "How the heck was the Earth formed?" Since it's hard for people understand, they think some natural force created it. All these miracles happen and people think it's God's reasoning. No.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2006-02-27 at 18:50:19

QUOTE(Zombie @ Feb 27 2006, 12:31 PM)

Also, Cow, I'm not cathelic, But i do belive its 6 angels.[right][snapback]435729[/snapback][/right]

Neither am I. I'm Kow, not Cow, and if I see you flame one more time, I'm reporting you.

And what do you mean by six angels?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kumano on 2006-02-27 at 19:17:56

I don't agree with this, because it isn't being an average of the things you've done since doing something bad (or lack of good if you want to call it that) and then doing nothing, the nothing won't make the bad get averaged to the middle still. Then since there is no other logical way, it would have to be added, and then if you do something bad obviously it would have to add a negative value since it won't make you a good person, so evil would be the negative value.

Obviously you can't just give it numbers, but going by the first 2 examples on the first post those are going by numbers of particles and all that stuff, so this is going by the same logic.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Raindodger on 2006-02-27 at 19:21:12

Probobly refering to when you talked about lucifer taking 1/3 the angels with him.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kyuubi. on 2006-02-27 at 19:29:09

i don't really want to get back into a religion topic but personally...i just think its humans that has created evil...

in our virtual world...how would you know or what causes evil?it's just that what human's believes are evil and which are good...maybe this would be a wrong question to ask so how would you define evil in several ways?like demonically unworldly or a physical act of what we do violates something that looks unhuman?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Merrell on 2006-02-27 at 19:34:24

Yes.. has anyone ever read the book "The Lord of the Flies?" It's about a young group of kids aged from 7-12 (If I remember correctly) that eventually kill a pig, kill a MOTHER pig, kill one of the kids, cut his head off, and stick it's head on a stick (They say accidently), and purposely kill one.

The moral of the story is that WE are the evils and WE create them.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2006-02-27 at 19:34:34

Okay, nobody get mad but MY BELIEFS are:

Good and Evil are facts, but a special KIND of fact. Like, every single person has the same view on it EXCEPT THE ACTUAL PERSON!!!

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Infested-Jerk on 2006-02-27 at 19:34:42

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Does darkness exist?
No, it doesn't. We think it is. But, it does not exist. Light does exist. Darkness is just amount of light. In other words, no light.

Does cold exist?
Same thing as above. Cold is just little of heat.

Does hate exist?
No it doesn't. Hate is just no love. Love does exist, hate doesn't.

Now, for the final question.

Does evil exist?
I think you all know the answer.

Does Light exist?
No it doesn't. Light is just an ammount of darkness, no darkness.

Does hot exist?
Not it doesn't. Hot is just very little cold.

Does Love exist?
No, it doesn't, it's just very little hate

Does good exist?
No, it doesn't it's just a little bit of good.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Do-0dan on 2006-02-27 at 19:39:03

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e-vil adj
1. Morally bad or wrong
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous
4. Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous
5. Characterized by anger or spite; malicious

this is our definition of evil
if you think that it has a different meaning, then you're thinking that the universe has its own definition of evil, but we don't know that or we don't care so stick with this definition

unless you can prove that God exists/existed, you can't answer this question

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2006-02-27 at 19:41:48

Okay, good and evil were not around when the first life forms were there. Either God or man created it. Wow, imagine a primitive world w/ only cells.WHERE IS THE GOOD AND EVIL THERE?!

Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-02-27 at 19:44:35

QUOTE(Infested-Jerk @ Feb 27 2006, 07:34 PM)

Don't get off topic with this, Infested_Jerk. But to be scientifically correct, cold is when there is no heat particles in the container around you. Light is seen when there is enough light particles reflecting off a surface and hits your retinas.

But lets not get off topic as I said before...

Does Evil exist?
I think that Evil is a man made term to explain the unexplainable and tried to stuff abstract idea into a solid term. Evil is only felt when a person is doing the unmentionable. Therefore, evil does not exist in reality, but only exists in the idealistic view of other people in your mind.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kyuubi. on 2006-02-27 at 19:44:41

if you looked up the definition in a dictionary...isn't the dictionary also made by humans on what they say in their beliefs? probably the word itself is created by humans(i think)...just how the human mind works that creates things out of boredom or out of what they think is true logically...

not really clear on that am i? -.-
but anyway personally, i think the term 'evil' is just an idea that someone thought up of and passed it on..some people can define in a similar response but really has no indefinite answer?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Infested-Jerk on 2006-02-27 at 19:44:59

I'll say what I wanted to say along with my post but forgot.

You can't say something like evil without a definitive definition (My idea of evil is probably much different than Zombie's or Devilesk's), and as such you can't say it doesn't exist when it's opposite, equally unable to be defined is different for each and every one of us.

And you're forgetting. The world isn't black and white. You have that margin of gray that likes to annoying the shiz out of you.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2006-02-27 at 19:46:58

You know wut, if God exists, I think that the evil and good we believe as "facts" is God's idea of good and evil. Who the fark cares about if you think you're right, God is the master and u have to follow his rules. Just like a country's laws, but u dont' see ppl complaining about THAT...

Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-02-27 at 20:13:20

QUOTE(Castaminator @ Feb 27 2006, 07:46 PM)

But then again, God and Evil are terms made by humans to help explain the unexplainable and the unmentionables. They are made for humans' selfish comfort. What is to be answered is if these terms are true.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2006-02-27 at 21:29:46

QUOTE(Kame @ Feb 27 2006, 06:14 PM)

Hmm. Hey CheeZe, I think you may be interpruting that wrong. I think that its trying to state that rewriting waters down the original facts; not that new facts are bad.
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You can't water down original "facts" if it's later found out they were untrue!

Look at the other ones that support my position:
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You missed my point, I wasn't saying making someone mad justifies killing. My point was that YOU, YOURSELF always believe you are doing the RIGHT thing, in your own eyes, no matter the situation.

My argument still holds; is it not true that these people always go to the extreme? Here's another comic showing what I mean if you don't agree already:
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@:@, I do see your point. I agree that some people take actions because they think they're right. I'm simply saying the way you interpret these actions by these people is always extreme, like the comic above.

Please, try not to be offended. When someone with your experience comes and starts randomly using capitilized letters, I feel like the bad person (see, I have morals too!).

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2006-02-27 at 21:37:05

I don't see how comics prove anything. And no, some people are too afraid to go to the extreme. We usually refer to them as democrats.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2006-02-27 at 21:42:18

My main argument was that Answers in Genesis is a bad website.

From the comics, it's pretty clear the writer (which AiG supports) means to show that because there was a change in facts, that we shouldn't accept it. Obviously, you would disagree with this and accept that if new information comes up, you would change the facts in order to fit the new situation.

Please, don't turn this into a political battle. I'm not talking about extreme beliefs, I'm talking about interpretations that go too far. Refer to the shooting comic above; do you really think that happens in life? Honestly.

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