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hmm you show a picture of one person kame, shall I show a video of many? I think I will...



Oh I'm sorry, you didn't directly say war but you did say invaded. See you assume that I'm assuming even though I rebuttled exactly what you said... That death toll in the paper is, as I've said before, is not just the recent invasion. Now whose not listening... heres a hint.. its you.

I never said you thought it was fake... words in teh mouth, very immature. I imply said you instantly think its one sided. tsk tsk tsk.

Heres that video I was talking about... ooo what a treat... 3 videos.
http://www3.youtube.com/watch?v=5U6gvYV9Z7A&search=iraq
http://www3.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Ju28_gJMI&search=iraq
http://www3.youtube.com/watch?v=siCipnKPoEQ&search=iraq

How did you rebuttle what I said? I never implied war or said war. You are making up an arguement that I never had nor intended to have to rebuttle it....

And Im not talking about what YOU are saying about the death tolls. Im talking about the article saying we killed 100,000 iraqis in the 2003 war. If you went to the site you would have known that.

lol and again where did I say I thought it was fake? You defended the article against me by trying to disprove my logic, which you assumed I was talking about war, hence the hannibal example. If you didn't think I opposed the article you wouldn't try to disprove my logic, twice.

And it is one sided by the way. Its an opinionated blog....

Couple things.. you need to read everything. For one, I never EVER said anything about you being fake.. in fact I said the opposite.

see. You are so... ugh not looking for a warn.

Also saying "I don't think we invaded" is the same as saying "I don't think we went to war" because it is the same farking thing. Jesus that was the most retarded post you have ever made! "Sure we entered their country..." WITH THE farkING PURPOSE TO ATTACK, THEREFORE ITS AN INVASION. Schmuck filled with hypocrisy.
We invaded. No two ways about it.

An opinionated blog thats filled with facts. Well if its filled with majority facts, then its not an opinionated blog. You are trying to use anything to prove a losing point. Jesus, I believe only one person has ever said they liked you in any way, now I understand. farking republicans.

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1221.htm

Um.. Invading, and entering are the same thing.

Crossing borders is also "invading space". Therefore, we invaded.

Im not Repbulican

Yes, there is a very big difference between a war and an Invasion.

We went to war with Japen, but Japan never invaded us. Same with Germany.

The boy who wrote that opinionated blog wrote as when we "invaded" Iraq that 100,000 Iraqis died because of this.

If you knew anything about the terrian of Iraq you would know that the west and south of Iraq along the border with Saudi Arabia is pretty much all desert. The author wording of "invasion" is that we attack the actual country, take over their cities, etc etc.

In fact in the Gulf war we moved into the deserts of Iraq, only to take a MASSIVE right turn and plunge head first into western Kuwait and smashing into the flank of the Iraqi Army in kuwait. Its basically a massive pincer move.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=invasion

We didn't "conquer" Iraqi territory in the Gulf War. We didn't take over anything. All we did was obliderate the Iraqi Forces in Kuwait.

Again, stop trying to counter what I am saying. And those "facts" are pretty stretched too that also come from some bais sites too that I have looked into. It is an opinionated article, the only way to have no opinion is to NOT take a side and choose words that do not put your thoughts into the article. There is in no way you can say the article is not opinionated when he uses words/phrases like "American Empire" "Anti-ocupation forces" etc.

EDIT:

What I ment to say in the previous post was that I never thought you thought I was fake as to when you brought up the fake business I was some what surprised.

Uh, they didn't invade us eh...? What would you call Perl Harbor then eh?

I would call that an air strike

Also Im wrong about japan I forgot they invaded islands in the Alasken state. well you still get the picture

You can't just be wrong about one thing, you're wrong about all.

An air strike because they couldn't land, and take us over. Therefore, it was an invasion.


Just face it. You're a hypocrite.

Here, http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/199...ts/clinton.html

It was called Operation Desert Fox, you can google if that isn't good enough for you.



Did I say it was just? No I said why it happened and what happened after that.



What other countries? Like almost all that belong to UN have some soldiers in Iraq. Hell, even mongolia has soldier in sand land. Britain maybe, but we are talking about the USA. We were not there just to establish democracy, there are many other reasons. Compared to the money we get from oil in this country, and the money we are shoveling out into this war, which do you think is the greater amount? Yeah, the friggin money for this war. So our president's father has an oil "empire", unless we are smuggling oil in record numbers from Iraq that bypass UN checks all the time, it would serve no profit to us.



Really? Prove it, when I see the Haliburton deals with Iraq, they lost more money and that's why a bunch of people got fired from the company a little whiles ago.
And not many countries have made deals with Iraq anyways. I could say the same thing for you, that you're willing to accept anything "they" tell you.



If you think about it... yeah, it would always go that way, lol. You sell products for more, you get more money.



Sorry that I couldn't spell a little word *cries*



Nice to see you believe in the "machine".



You're not a conspiracy theorist are you? (Just seen a lot of Conspiracy Theorists on another site use the Hitler-Bush refrence lately.

Wow. Just wow. Because we can see that Bush's actions are like Hitlers, just New Aged, you call us Conspiracy Theorists.... Why don't you pull your head from Bush's ass, and smell what TRUE democracy is?

Did I say Kellimus, or did I address you? No. And I'm not a Bush supporter and I did not support the war originally either. But now that we are there, you must see the real reasons for us being there. Just because our government is currently messing up everywhere does not mean we went to Iraq just for oil. Also, in what ways are Hitler's and Bush's connected?

Then what is your justification for staying in Iraq, when the coalition left? They left soon as Sadam was taken out.

We have to rebuild under UN and other laws since we started this war, we have to re-build what we destroyed and are doing even more than that. We are also bring things to Iraq they never had to even start out with and have to protect those who actually want political freedom.

Actually stalingrad you can't say the same to me. Being that the peopel I'm referring to with you are the same people, while the people your referring to are countless different sources. I look around the net, when I come across sites with the same conclusion then I think about it.

Also, you don't have to say Kellimus or address him. This is a forum, not an AIM chat lil' man.

Hmm I get it, as soon as people that love history start comparing present leaders to past leaders they instantly become conspiracy theorists. I see, and this is the next generation that is going to take hold of this world. No wonder it is so horrible.'

Also... wtf are you smoking? Machine! Hah! It actually has nothing to do with a machine. You are a source of revenue. A source of income. A number. When they look at a chart, do they see 'Lee Martin - Age 16'? No! They see '1 of 25,000,000'. I can see the logic in why they put us as numbers, but not in how they treat us like a number.

Me too, I've been searching for answers on the net to and used to be anti-war in Iraq until I read the facts, the mis-used information against the war, and how it can not be for oil unless you maybe another nation besides the US.



No, it's when you compare leaders to Hitler or Stalin, those of the like when the leader is not like either or.



Sorry, I thought you meant something else (don't ask).

Hehe. The Strawman




Um.. They are pretty much the same dude. Both were facist leaders. Both commited Genocide. Both ruled with an Iron fist.

Just like Bush.

Yes, Bush (the US) has met the requirements for genocide over the years.



As the picture states.

Facist in what ways? Do you even know what fascism is, what genocide actually means, or using the term "ruling with an iron first" really means? If you did, I doubt you would be using those words in such a way.

George Bush is a hated president because he's screw us over so much, but it's not like he has a Hitler-Agenda mind. Yeah he's a sucky leader, put what pisses me off even more is that anti-American and anti-Bush people love to bash him, most not even knowing why, and others who fall victim to the propaganda out there just because it's not a source from America they believe it to be true.

As Stalingrad said, Stalin was not a Fascist. Hitler wasn't even a Fascist if we're being totally honest here. Mussolini was a true Fascist.

Hitler and Stalin were both extreme Authoritarians though. Fascist ≠ Authoritarian.

As has been said, that blog shows only one side of the story. The ability to be objective is a valuable one, and that blogger is subjective as hell.

The Independent is a good (British) newspaper to read for truthful reporting on Iraq. It's very anti-war, but they have a lot of journalists in the country. Iraq is now breaking into a state of civil war.

Edit: Facist >> Fascist

No offence Stalingrad, but on an intelligence scale, Kellimus is smarter then you. Maybe a bit crazy, but smarter nonetheless.
Genocide is clearly defined in that article earlier posted. Also shows details for it. I told him the ruling with an iron fist was a bit out of line. His clock is just a few years ahead.
and Yes Bush is a Christian Facist.

Fascism

1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

Lets see.... we have extreme nationalism [check!] supression of opposition through terror and censorship. [check!] Bush hates black people and gays [racism check!]

Also direct yourself to my concentration camp thread.

Stalingrad your pissed because in reality bush is undefendable. His actions have caused the death of thousands, the suffering of millions. Plus we have another war coming up. I'm willing to bet a dollar and a nickel that we invade Iran. Bets anyone? Any takers at all?

I am against the war in Iraq, however, and am a strong opponent of the Bush administration.

It takes Hawkism a step further towards Nationalism.

To you and zombie, it's like you have a clique of something. Kellimus maybe smarter but he doesn't really act like it, and so far out of the two of us, only you have seen his Intelligent side.



LOL! Don't listen to Mr. West, he makes good music, but he also wants to be mentioned in the bible... (sorry had to comment on "George bush hates black people" comment on the hurricane relief thing.

But really, you are assumming too much and your ideas about what's actually going on is clouded, but hell, you feel the same way about me so I don't really feel this is going to go anywhere.



Wow, I'm not really pissed because I do and never have been a Bush supporter, just because you agree with someone else that has mutual feelings on an issue, does not mean you support them in everyway. What I support is stopping the further spread of blasphemy and ignorance. See, you are fed by a bunch of false information, if you actually took the time to look up everything that apparently is America's fault, it turns out wasn't. Oh... wait, I'm sorry, America causes cancer.

And if you didn't support Iraq, you should atleast support war with Iran, even China is starting to get a little pissed at Iran. (Watch a 2010 political map show Eastern Iran as part of China ). It might not even turn out to be a full invasion, just airstrikes and regular UN checks.

Why would I support another "Operation Irani Freedom"?


Also, to give a bit of information about those 3 goverment types.

Fascism - The Military is in charge of the goverment and runs it in a military fashion.
Authotitarian - One man has complete control over anything, he may use whatever resources he has at his disposal.
Communism - A political party is in charge, and governs according to a Constitution.

It's not really like Iraq this time. We know where Iran's weapons and/or potential weapons are so we can just bomb the hell out of it. Iran knows this so they are trying their best to get the world against the USA before we can do anything.

Should I really even try to prove it to egotists?

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Omg... You don't realise that the only allie we have is Britain, do you?

Everyone else hates the United States. We are trying to be the World's Policemen. The world HATES that; Therefore, WE, The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, is hated.

If we bomb Iran, do you know what that becomes? WORLD WAR III. Really. How inaine do you have to be to not understand that going into all of these countries, is really utter and complete bullshiz? Why do you have so much ignorance to this situation? May I ask you, how old you are? It's quite obvious that people under the age of 17 (without a select few) have a hard time understanding what exactly Bush is doing to our country.

Do I have to go and farking quote my explaination of The Patriot Act again??