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Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2006-06-07 at 21:35:58
QUOTE(HolySin @ Jun 7 2006, 07:16 PM)
People can get addicted to anything.
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again, its due to a personality not the drug

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Plus, it's all just confusion of the sensory functions of the brain, and I don't really like the idea of artificially altering your brain chemicals.

it doesn't alter your brain
its like mushrooms and the chemical acts like seritonin
it goes inbetween receptors and does something there (scientists still dont know what)

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Also, LSD does not cause "hallucinations":

thats sooo greyy
it basically changes the way things look and the way you experience them
thats close enough to hallucinations
maybe not extreme ones, but if something is blue and you perceive it as an alternating rainbow of colors then you are hallucinating
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Choerdius on 2006-06-07 at 22:31:09
The effects of LSD are unpredictable. They depend on the amount taken; the user's personality, mood, and expectations; and the surroundings in which the drug is used. Usually, the user feels the first effects of the drug 30 to 90 minutes after taking it. The physical effects include dilated pupils, higher body temperature, increased heart rate and blood pressure, sweating, loss of appetite, sleeplessness, dry mouth, and tremors.

Sensations and feelings change much more dramatically than the physical signs. The user may feel several different emotions at once or swing rapidly from one emotion to another. If taken in a large enough dose, the drug produces delusions and visual hallucinations. The user’s sense of time and self changes. Sensations may seem to "cross over," giving the user the feeling of hearing colors and seeing sounds. These changes can be frightening and can cause panic.

Users refer to their experience with LSD as a "trip" and to acute adverse reactions as a "bad trip." These experiences are long; typically they begin to clear after about 12 hours.

Some LSD users experience severe, terrifying thoughts and feelings, fear of losing control, fear of insanity and death, and despair while using LSD. Some fatal accidents have occurred during states of LSD intoxication.

Many LSD users experience flashbacks, recurrence of certain aspects of a person's experience, without the user having taken the drug again. A flashback occurs suddenly, often without warning, and may occur within a few days or more than a year after LSD use. Flashbacks usually occur in people who use hallucinogens chronically or have an underlying personality problem; however, otherwise healthy people who use LSD occasionally may also have flashbacks. Bad trips and flashbacks are only part of the risks of LSD use. LSD users may manifest relatively long-lasting psychoses, such as schizophrenia or severe depression. It is difficult to determine the extent and mechanism of the LSD involvement in these illnesses.

Most users of LSD voluntarily decrease or stop its use over time. LSD is not considered an addictive drug since it does not produce compulsive drug-seeking behavior, as do cocaine, amphetamine, heroin, alcohol, and nicotine. However, like many of the addictive drugs, LSD produces tolerance, so some users who take the drug repeatedly must take progressively higher doses to achieve the state of intoxication that they had previously achieved. This is an extremely dangerous practice, given the unpredictability of the drug.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-06-07 at 22:40:02
QUOTE(Wilhelm @ Jun 7 2006, 07:27 PM)
"Generally, LSD causes expansion and altered experience of senses, emotions, memories, and awareness for 8 to 14 hours. In addition, LSD may produce visual effects such as moving geometric patterns, "trails" behind moving objects, and brilliant colors. LSD does not produce hallucinations in the strict sense but instead illusions and vivid daydream-like fantasies, in which ordinary objects and experiences can take on entirely different appearances or meanings. At higher doses it can cause synaesthesia. The drug sometimes spurs long-term or even permanent changes in a user's personality and life perspective."
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It's those colors and patterns that people see that people generally call hallucinations.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Choerdius on 2006-06-07 at 22:42:08
Basically, you hallucinate on LSD. If you see something that isn't suppose to be there, then it is an hallucination.

I don't see why people want to see something that will freak you out, or why you want to hallucinate in the first place.

How did you guys pick up on Acid anyway?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2006-06-07 at 23:27:04
It freaks you out, but you're happy it does
its like looking at something so amazingly weird and messed up
sometimes you can get scared, but only if you're in the wrong invironment or have the wrong mindset of using it (like you were forced to by someone)

you generally see beautiful wonderful things you could never see without acid
you have wonderful experiences you cant even explain while sober
time and space become mere words, thoughts, not even that
all of existance can mean nothing for what seems like forever
and it is just you and yourself, nothing else, just your being in an empty universe of nothing

i've never tried it, but from hearing it from everyone else this is what i've come to
believe me, i know what happens on acid, but i have no idea of what to expect or what the experience will be like
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mune'R0x on 2006-06-08 at 00:48:10
Hmm... Maybe I've done too many drugs or maybe I've honestly forgotten that drugs are bad, but seriously, why the hell wouldn't you want to do acid? Damn...

Personally, I'd rather smoke 5-MeO-DMT though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MasterJohnny on 2006-06-08 at 02:08:09
people say drugs are bad for u but do we really no if they are bad if we never do them?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-06-08 at 10:39:15
QUOTE(l)ark_13 @ Jun 7 2006, 05:39 PM)
LSD and acid are the same thing, but it seems acid is a more perverted solution of LSD.  LSD is almost too hard to find these days, so acid is what I'll be talking about.

Acid is a hallucinogen, extreme effects... I could look up who made it (I realy forget his name haha).  Basically its amazing lol
i wanna try it really bad.

this summer  thumbup.gif
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True about the difference of Acid and LSD.. It never made me hallucinate until I tried to go to sleep... O.o

QUOTE(urmom @ Jun 7 2006, 05:56 PM)
damn sounds like fun times lol.  i've never gotten into that stuff, i don't want to get hooked or waste my money on it.
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You'll only get hooked if you're weak. Seriously. The reason people become addicted to things, is because they have a weak will. And $10 a hit isn't bad. Try spending $15 a pill, or $50 an 8-ball.

QUOTE(HolySin @ Jun 7 2006, 06:16 PM)
People can get addicted to anything.
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Tru.dat

QUOTE(Wilhelm @ Jun 7 2006, 06:27 PM)
As much as I think I'd like the experience, I've read enough the various drugs to ever try them. I'm just a cautious person, and I can't stand the idea of losing control. Also, LSD does not cause "hallucinations":

"Generally, LSD causes expansion and altered experience of senses, emotions, memories, and awareness for 8 to 14 hours. In addition, LSD may produce visual effects such as moving geometric patterns, "trails" behind moving objects, and brilliant colors. LSD does not produce hallucinations in the strict sense but instead illusions and vivid daydream-like fantasies, in which ordinary objects and experiences can take on entirely different appearances or meanings. At higher doses it can cause synaesthesia. The drug sometimes spurs long-term or even permanent changes in a user's personality and life perspective."

Plus, it's all just confusion of the sensory functions of the brain, and I don't really like the idea of artificially altering your brain chemicals.
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Hey smile.gif You quoted Erowid. How nice of you to not give credit.

QUOTE(l)ark_13 @ Jun 7 2006, 06:35 PM)
again, its due to a personality not the drug
it doesn't alter your brain
its like mushrooms and the chemical acts like seritonin
it goes inbetween receptors and does something there (scientists still dont know what)
thats sooo greyy
it basically changes the way things look and the way you experience them
thats close enough to hallucinations
maybe not extreme ones, but if something is blue and you perceive it as an alternating rainbow of colors then you are hallucinating
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Actually, it does. It alters the chemicals. Just like Marijuanna, and every other drug. That's why they are called drugs.

I think you're mixing Acid up with Ecstacy or Mescaline..

That's how all drugs are...

It produces day-dreams. Not schizophrenic hallucinations...

And, not really tongue.gif

QUOTE(Choerdius @ Jun 7 2006, 07:30 PM)
The effects of LSD are unpredictable. They depend on the amount taken; the user's personality, mood, and expectations; and the surroundings in which the drug is used. Usually, the user feels the first effects of the drug 30 to 90 minutes after taking it. The physical effects include dilated pupils, higher body temperature, increased heart rate and blood pressure, sweating, loss of appetite, sleeplessness, dry mouth, and tremors.

Sensations and feelings change much more dramatically than the physical signs. The user may feel several different emotions at once or swing rapidly from one emotion to another. If taken in a large enough dose, the drug produces delusions and visual hallucinations. The user’s sense of time and self changes. Sensations may seem to "cross over," giving the user the feeling of hearing colors and seeing sounds. These changes can be frightening and can cause panic.

Users refer to their experience with LSD as a "trip" and to acute adverse reactions as a "bad trip." These experiences are long; typically they begin to clear after about 12 hours.

Some LSD users experience severe, terrifying thoughts and feelings, fear of losing control, fear of insanity and death, and despair while using LSD. Some fatal accidents have occurred during states of LSD intoxication.

Many LSD users experience flashbacks, recurrence of certain aspects of a person's experience, without the user having taken the drug again. A flashback occurs suddenly, often without warning, and may occur within a few days or more than a year after LSD use. Flashbacks usually occur in people who use hallucinogens chronically or have an underlying personality problem; however, otherwise healthy people who use LSD occasionally may also have flashbacks. Bad trips and flashbacks are only part of the risks of LSD use. LSD users may manifest relatively long-lasting psychoses, such as schizophrenia or severe depression. It is difficult to determine the extent and mechanism of the LSD involvement in these illnesses.

Most users of LSD voluntarily decrease or stop its use over time. LSD is not considered an addictive drug since it does not produce compulsive drug-seeking behavior, as do cocaine, amphetamine, heroin, alcohol, and nicotine. However, like many of the addictive drugs, LSD produces tolerance, so some users who take the drug repeatedly must take progressively higher doses to achieve the state of intoxication that they had previously achieved. This is an extremely dangerous practice, given the unpredictability of the drug.
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Thanks for citing either Erowid, or Wikipedia. Please give credit to them.

QUOTE(Choerdius @ Jun 7 2006, 07:41 PM)
Basically, you hallucinate on LSD. If you see something that isn't suppose to be there, then it is an hallucination.

I don't see why people want to see something that will freak you out, or why you want to hallucinate in the first place.

How did you guys pick up on Acid anyway?
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No... You produce day-dreams. Those are different than real hallucinations.

And people don't take it to "freak them out". They take it for an experience. If I really did "hallucinate" while on it, It wouldn't freak me out. The reason being, is because I can keep a sense of saness while on it, and I KNOW what I see is fake. Just like with Mushrooms.

I didn't "Pick up on it" like you are saying. I tried it, because of the stories my brother told me, and the stories I have heard from others. So at the Rave I was at, I decided to try it, knowing what it could do to me.

QUOTE(Felagund @ Jun 8 2006, 07:25 AM)
Crack babies  tongue.gif
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You always post off-topic, and flame. Please refrain from ever posting in here again. Thank you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp(U) on 2006-06-08 at 10:56:11
Erowid is a kickarse site. They list so many drugs most people arent even aware of! huh.gif I've always wanted to try Arundo Donax!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snipe on 2006-06-08 at 11:45:51
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jun 5 2006, 10:13 PM)
Acid.  Fun stuff.  Lysergic Acid Diethylmide.  Also known as LSD (Not the Acid from now days)

Anyways:  What is your conception of Acid?  It's most likely a misconception, but I'm curious of what it is.

After one hit, I felt like I was on Shrooms again.  But it was 10X more intense.  God it was fun.  Stayed up all night and Raved to Electronic Music with green glowsticks.

Hella good time.

So what is your conception eh?
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wait until your try cartoon acid, you could very well die pretty quick if you whatch cartoons... I knew acouple people who did acid and i think it's stupid. If you want a hi just live life tongue.gif. I don't see the point in almost killing yourself for a good time -_-..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2006-06-08 at 12:25:26
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jun 8 2006, 09:38 AM)
And $10 a hit isn't bad.  Try spending $15 a pill, or $50 an 8-ball.

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$50 an 8ball!?!? I pay $120 an 8-ball, and the cocaine's decent, but nothing real special. I would almost feel weird paying that little for an 8-ball.


Acid is a psychadelic, by the way.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-06-08 at 12:53:46
QUOTE(Snipe @ Jun 8 2006, 08:45 AM)
wait until your try cartoon acid, you could very well die pretty quick if you whatch cartoons... I knew acouple people who did acid and i think it's stupid. If you want a hi just live life tongue.gif. I don't see the point in almost killing yourself for a good time -_-..
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Some people aren't gifted enough to get high off life.

And Acid doesn't "almost kill yourself" so please be quiet until you know the facts.

QUOTE(wesmic da pimp @ Jun 8 2006, 09:25 AM)
$50 an 8ball!?!?  I pay $120 an 8-ball, and the cocaine's decent, but nothing real special.  I would almost feel weird paying that little for an 8-ball.
Acid is a psychadelic, by the way.
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It's obvious I don't do that drug, so I threw out that $50 in a guess. I'm sorry for that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-06-08 at 13:18:57
Acid rain falls more now then ever! It is caused by the more pollution, because we have more pollutio now then ever due to the rising amounts of industries.

On another note, Acid is very addictive because people use it all the time and they rely on it more and more for them to survive!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-06-08 at 13:20:38
One guy (he is in 12th grade now) told that he saw a huge dog in the window (it was the second floor, and he saw a dog approx. that big - 2 floors blink.gif ).

Interesting how the doses can be different, from 20 to 200 microgramms. It sure is fun, but I didn't try it. I'm not such a "party guy" to use it regularry anyway.

I don't know about the cost in my country, but would be interesting to know.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-06-08 at 13:25:23
QUOTE(7-7 @ Jun 8 2006, 10:18 AM)
Acid rain falls more now then ever!  It is caused by the more pollution, because we have more pollutio now then ever due to the rising amounts of industries.

On another note, Acid is very addictive because people use it all the time and they rely on it more and more for them to survive!
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Thanks for being off topic at start biggrin.gif

And sorry, but no. LSD is one of the least addicting drugs.

www.en.wikipedia.com it

And www.erowid.com it.

QUOTE(Jammed @ Jun 8 2006, 10:20 AM)
One guy (he is in 12th grade now) told that he saw a huge dog in the window (it was the second floor, and he saw a dog approx. that big - 2 floors blink.gif ).

Interesting how the doses can be different, from 20 to 200 microgramms. It sure is fun, but I didn't try it. I'm not such a "party guy" to use it regularry anyway.

I don't know about the cost in my country, but would be interesting to know.
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CLIFFORD! THE BIG RED DOG!

Hellz. Yeah.

What country are you from? O.o..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-06-08 at 13:48:30
Will this help you to tell me the cost ? wink.gif Latvia
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-06-08 at 13:55:13
O.o... I dunno. Here in the US, one hit is generally $10. To buy in bulk, it's usually $1-$3 for 10+..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-06-08 at 14:27:21
How about weed ? I'll try to figure it out by the price of weed. Weed costs about 4$ per 1/4 gramm here.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2006-06-08 at 14:33:31
The average cost is $20 for 3.5 grams (1/8 of an ounce) for commercial marijuana. Chronic usually runs about $50 for an 1/8th. It really depends on your connections though. You can usually get about 4 joints out of an 1/8th depending on how fat your joints are.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mune'R0x on 2006-06-08 at 20:28:39
I can get 5 grams of mids for $20 where I live. smile.gif

I wish I got some acid though. I will try it this summer though. My goal this summer is to try as many drugs as I can. Acid, shrooms, and salvia 20x are what I'm planning on doing. But my #1 goal is to inject some ketamine. I WANT K!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Urmom(U) on 2006-06-08 at 20:48:30
lol your goal is to do as many drugs as you can? nice goal lol...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2006-06-08 at 20:51:45
Excuse me, but could someone please tell me how altering brain chemicals, like serotonin, with an outside substance is not mood alteration?

On the subject of acid and the "hallucinatory effects": as far as I'm concerned, I really don't need to bulls**t myself. That's what drugs are for, really, to generate fake experiences and sensations.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mune'R0x on 2006-06-08 at 20:53:53
QUOTE(Wilhelm @ Jun 8 2006, 07:51 PM)
Excuse me, but could someone please tell me how altering brain chemicals, like serotonin, with an outside substance is not mood alteration?

On the subject of acid and the "hallucinatory effects": as far as I'm concerned, I really don't need to bulls**t myself. That's what drugs are for, really, to generate fake experiences and sensations.
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They aren't fake. The chemicals that you're introducing into your system aren't fake. They are the same chemicals released in your brain, but from a different source. And it ain't bullcrapting yourself man. It's called having a good time.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2006-06-08 at 20:59:47
Perhaps the word I should use is artificial, even though that's one of the meanings of fake. I figure that if you can't experience it within your own life and those experiences, it's fake.

Is there really a point in arguing this, anyways? I don't want to do Acid, it doesn't appeal to me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by O)FaRTy1billion on 2006-06-08 at 21:34:25
Use superhuman powers to control these chemicals in your brain without the use of drugs! ohmy.gif

Drugs can also give nasty side-affects. One thing you have to think about when using them is if it is worth the side affects for a small time of adventure. That is.. unless you are one of thoes crazy people who only choose "No" without any resoning other than "Its baaaaaaad". Or if you are one of thoes people who say "OMG DRUG GIMME GIMME!!!!!11oneone uberwoot.gif"
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