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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-10-10 at 14:09:07

Well thats most likely wrong my posts per day was at least around 1.6ish

Oh darn 490 I feel like a newborn at SeN Gwahahahaha

Edit : Wait no thats wrong too maybe it was 0.9 ..

darn it i cant remember

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-10-10 at 14:11:35

I would do it myself, but big numbers scare me, unless I break it down a bit... the brackets are what really scares me though..

And yeah, ever since that hacker, numbers will be screwed up. Although not nearly as serious as others, I lost about 150 posts.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2006-10-10 at 14:16:59

I lost about 100 posts as well, but I got them all back and more over the last month.

The math actually isn't that hard. Its all just basic algebra.

@Cloud: Yeah, I just went with the current posts per day amount you have.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-10-10 at 14:19:59

Meh I guess people think I'm not respectable anyway so it wouldnt matter

Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2006-10-10 at 14:23:31

Well I don't know how to really interpret that score anyway. From the looks of it, my score is about 500 more than IP's. Then again that is assuming we've all got great ratings from exactly 100 members.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-10-10 at 14:54:09

Because split topic was disabled for some reason.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-10-10 at 18:56:34

QUOTE(Tuxedo Templar @ Oct 10 2006, 10:11 AM)

Nice maths DTBK, but the posts per day (c) in the equation may punish people who are simply involved in a lot of in-depth discussions across several days (like I was earlier for the OSMAP and some of my earlier map releases, easily having double digit posts for several days).

I think the only real way to solve that would be to find a way to determine the "quality" of a user's post, and factor that into their posts per day math. Or in other words, having a low quality to quantity ratio (= spam) is what'll punish you instead of simply having high posts per day.
Of course, that requires a way to "measure" post quality reliably. That would be the trick.
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Careful there, Tux. The c is your overall posts per day over your whole membership. In order to massively abuse your reputation, you would need to consistently post at least 12 posts per day of the cumulative type. That just doesn't happen unless you go spam-crazy.

Also, the member rating is supposed to be a "quality" factor; members will rate you based on their opinion of you, which should be influenced by your post quality.

QUOTE(DevliN @ Oct 10 2006, 11:23 AM)

Your score is over IP's because IP almost never posts on v4. Not to mention IP joined after me. Go take your score against mine, or BeeR's, or Moose's, and you'll see what I mean. And it would probably be more in the ballpark of 100-200 over IP if you drop your staff rating to 1 and deflate your member rating some.

To address the hacker, since few people were actually manually slaughtered, they should be able to come to me and get their posts back. Those who only lost posts due to topic deletion shouldn't have lost enough to be majorly significant.

Can I hear from Moose whether he dareth deny me a trial v4 run?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-10-10 at 19:01:44

Too lazy to code member ratings.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-10-10 at 19:03:40

Well, do it soon? It's just two 1 x #mems tables for each member.

A promise of something in the future is better than nothing at all.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tuxedo Templar on 2006-10-10 at 19:18:06

I know, DT. It wouldn't be common, but it is still a viable exception, so it should be considered. But I wouldn't sue you if you didn't or anything, as even if you made the math factor in post quality with daily quantity (which isn't the same as member quality, which has the exception of ending up as a popularity rating btw), you'd still need a way to measure post quality; the problem I mentioned earlier.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-10-10 at 19:40:06

Member rating is the best post quality check that there really can be.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-10-10 at 20:03:39

DT, you must've gotten atleast a +50to your post count from all the times you've posted it.

I support it in every way, except I'm not to loving of the SeN age variable. People like Chris could have a good reputation because of that. (Hell, even Mike nowadays.)

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-10-10 at 20:05:49

If Chris is the one who posted porn on SEN, then he would be rated down by both the staff and his peers..

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2006-10-10 at 20:42:39

So I did forget to square that one part. My apologies. I was incredibly sick yesterday. I was basically reduced to rolling around on my bed in spasms of pain from my abdomen. Today I'm basically fine. Some stupid stomach virus that's going around.

Anyway, I think posts/day is too important in DT's calculations, but maybe that's just solely my opinion.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tuxedo Templar on 2006-10-10 at 20:47:57

QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Oct 10 2006, 06:39 PM)

Member rating is the best post quality check that there really can be.
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No no no, I'm not refering to an average member score. I'm refering to individual posts. You'd score their high daily post count not by simply how high it is but by how much of it is comprised of good or bad posts. Doing that'll also give a more accurate measure of a member's rating in the long run, as well as handle any exceptions of a member changing face all of a sudden (like they get drunk on the weekend and post some garbage threads or nude pics... or something

).

Ideally you'd want to measure the exact quality of those posts instead of just as a binary evaluation so that people don't just adapt and make a habit of frequent mediocre posts to circumvent the math.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2006-10-10 at 20:54:56

Well no matter how you spin it, DT's going to have the highest rating because he has the highest posts/day and most posts.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-10-10 at 21:06:05

QUOTE(Mini Moose 2707 @ Oct 10 2006, 11:01 PM)

Too lazy to code member ratings.

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QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Oct 10 2006, 11:03 PM)

Well, do it soon? It's just two 1 x #mems tables for each member.

A promise of something in the future is better than nothing at all.
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I'll make a compromise for you both. DTBK fixes everyones post counts and adds whatever we have now to it and Moose will code it

I think thats fair, eh?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-10-10 at 21:55:34

K I had 320000000 posts plz fix.
It's not going to work. To go out to every member and ask them what they lost...? Let's be realistic...

Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-10-10 at 22:09:17

I cant use this system.

Because my post count got reset and freaked up because of the hacker, thus also influencing the post per day thing.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2006-10-10 at 22:13:31

A better way to do this:
(log(days as member) * (post count + posts per day))/(posts per day + 1)

I could come up with something so ridiculously strange.. it would make yours look like addition.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-10-10 at 22:13:36

Wait a minute, why can't you write it in with your fancy new Administration powers, DT?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-10-11 at 00:41:58

QUOTE(Syphon(MM) @ Oct 10 2006, 05:03 PM)

But does Yoshi still not carry some marginal amount of respect? Remember, since both of said people have been gone, their c-multiplier is going to be in the 0.2 - 0.4 range.

QUOTE(Tuxedo Templar @ Oct 10 2006, 05:47 PM)

Yeah, well, such a thing is idealistic and impossible. The best you can hope is that someone who takes the time to make quality posts will amass a positive member rating (remember the more who rate you the more it affects your rating), and that if you are clearly spamming for reputation points, you'll catch a warn for spamming and hence a decrease in your Staff Rating (a very direct way to start losing Reputation).

QUOTE(Felagund @ Oct 10 2006, 05:54 PM)

Well no matter how you spin it, DT's going to have the highest rating because he has the highest posts/day and most posts.
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For now, yes. But isn't that just? For the longest time it was BeeR who outranked me on my rating system, but then he decided to go grapple with life.

QUOTE(Deathawk @ Oct 10 2006, 06:55 PM)

K I had 320000000 posts plz fix.
It's not going to work. To go out to every member and ask them what they lost...? Let's be realistic...
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If you read my other post, every member who directly lost posts during the hacking has a "omfg removed 999999999 posts" entry in their warn log. If such members come forth to me, I will restore their posts to a reasonable amount based on an honesty policy. If you just lost a few posts due to mass topic deletion (I lost ~60), suck it up. It doesn't have that much of an effect.

QUOTE(Syphon(MM) @ Oct 10 2006, 07:13 PM)

Wait a minute, why can't you write it in with your fancy new Administration powers, DT?
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Admin CP access != FTP Access.

The reason Posts Per Day plays a fair factor is because with the Cumulative Post system we already have a decent way of second-guessing post quality, and because the quadratic can be used to rapidly drop those who no longer post into moderate - elder - ratings based on a low multiplier but high age.

Either way, I think the system needs a trial run so everyone can see theirs and others' ratings without made-up member ratings and flawed math.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2006-10-11 at 04:28:43

Or people could keep asking me to do it for them. I've got it down now so its easy to calculate.

I still really like the idea. Though Syphon does make a good point about how long someone has been here. There are plenty of cool members who have been here less than a year.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2006-10-11 at 11:18:57

DTBK, the hacker issue is a serious issue that you just can't overcome.

Cheeze: Haha... I stated something before about using log's on the sen age... so it would only make so much difference. I think DTBK actually yelled at me for loving the log-effect on variables.

DTBK, this is like the 10th time you posted this... I'm actually starting to get annoyed. Respect is not a number.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-10-11 at 11:26:09

Who cares? It'll keep us preoccupied for awhile at least. Do you always gotta bring everything down with negative comments?

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