Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2006-11-01 at 22:07:30
QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Nov 1 2006, 09:01 PM)
Romped? Thats a little bit of an overstatement. You defiantly could say that if Afghanistan isn't what it is right now. You could say that if Iraq didn't have multiple elections or created it's own constitution.
What you can say is that the militants and foreign fighters in Iraq have successfully bogged down our forces from creating an Iraqi security force that can successfully defend the new Iraqi government with out our help.
China:
I do agree with you though that in a GROUND war we defiantly right now could not win. BUT, we can defiantly strike China with conventional bombs and seaborne missiles and basically bomb it back to the stone age, and I'm not kidding you, we got the fire power to do it almost untestedly. Right now we just don't have the grunts to land in China, nor the HOMELAND support even if China attacked us first.
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What you can say is that the militants and foreign fighters in Iraq have successfully bogged down our forces from creating an Iraqi security force that can successfully defend the new Iraqi government with out our help.
China:
I do agree with you though that in a GROUND war we defiantly right now could not win. BUT, we can defiantly strike China with conventional bombs and seaborne missiles and basically bomb it back to the stone age, and I'm not kidding you, we got the fire power to do it almost untestedly. Right now we just don't have the grunts to land in China, nor the HOMELAND support even if China attacked us first.
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Just because China has a larger army, it doesnt mean they have a better ground war advantage. America has more tanks, hummers, and better guns. I doubt they have an advantage.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-11-01 at 22:29:28
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I do agree with you though that in a GROUND war we defiantly right now could not win. BUT, we can defiantly strike China with conventional bombs and seaborne missiles and basically bomb it back to the stone age, and I'm not kidding you, we got the fire power to do it almost untestedly. Right now we just don't have the grunts to land in China, nor the HOMELAND support even if China attacked us first.
Yes, but the point is that the only feasible theater of war between the US and China is a ground battle for control of a third country.
Any "bombing China back to the stone age", and it's ICBM time. We do not possess the technology to obliterate China before they could launch enough nukes at us to severely cripple the US.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-11-02 at 01:38:43
Well what I meant was, that if there is ever a conflict between China and the US, I highly doubt China would use its nukes against us. Thats why I said conventional bombs. I think China and the US would gladly exchange conventional bombs at each other during a conflict, but no nukes. If China nuked the US, then say good night to China, and vice versa, basically who ever strikes first have better deliver a knock out punch or you can say adios.
In a conflict, China would be bombed back to the stone age with conventional bombs by the USA, easily. As I believe, correct me if Im wrong here, that china doesn't have much of a navy compared to the USA (But their navy is growing fast, reports say) . The USA could easily launch stealth fighters and the new Raptor against China via aircraft carriers or land based air strips. Thats assuming the numbers of Raptors have been built enough to sustain an air war.
My brother works on these planes for Boeing, and they are with out a doubt the most advanced aircraft America has right now. Hopefully it will be battle ready before (if ever) we go to war with China.
In a conflict, China would be bombed back to the stone age with conventional bombs by the USA, easily. As I believe, correct me if Im wrong here, that china doesn't have much of a navy compared to the USA (But their navy is growing fast, reports say) . The USA could easily launch stealth fighters and the new Raptor against China via aircraft carriers or land based air strips. Thats assuming the numbers of Raptors have been built enough to sustain an air war.
My brother works on these planes for Boeing, and they are with out a doubt the most advanced aircraft America has right now. Hopefully it will be battle ready before (if ever) we go to war with China.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-11-02 at 01:53:23
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In a conflict, China would be bombed back to the stone age with conventional bombs by the USA, easily. As I believe, correct me if Im wrong here, that china doesn't have much of a navy compared to the USA (But their navy is growing fast, reports say) . The USA could easily launch stealth fighters and the new Raptor against China via aircraft carriers or land based air strips. Thats assuming the numbers of Raptors have been built enough to sustain an air war.
Yes, that's the point. Hu Jintao isn't stupid; he knows that if the US were to attack China with conventional weapons, China would be destroyed. Hence, if we try to hit Beijing with anything big, it's nuke time.
All you have to do is put China in a lose-lose situation and they'll pick the loss where we lose too.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2006-11-02 at 02:05:35
Thats why we don't use nukes, and if those two did that, those two country will be severely crippled. And you guys won't ever go to war with China before N.K. falls.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-11-05 at 20:08:51
I don't think we will ever go to war with china anytime soon becuase we do too much business with them. To stop doing business with us for China would like put a very large dent in their economy.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2006-11-06 at 06:56:20
Its a big dent for U.S. too. Do you know how much freaking items thats in U.S. thats from China? Every single item you buy, I'd find a "Made in China" label on it. Iam dead serious too.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-11-06 at 22:42:24
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I don't think we will ever go to war with china anytime soon becuase we do too much business with them. To stop doing business with us for China would like put a very large dent in their economy.
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All China needs to do is stop re-investing in the US Treasury. Bye-bye US economy.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-11-06 at 23:08:34
Wait if we stop buying things from china wouldn't that like hurt china more then hurt us becuase our companies can find other places to purchase from?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Zero.oO on 2006-11-06 at 23:09:47
I could go on a huge rant about this, but ill try to keep this short. 
My rant needs to be released.
Ever since the USA owned NK in the Korean war the Koreans have been a poor country that is basically China's illegitimate child son. While we helped SK grow with programs NK is still a poor country with some reliance on selling weapons to other countries for money. If my history book that is 10 years old has half a truth in it the USA has programs to help feed NK and help poor families. If I was in NK I would not like the fact that SK flourishes while we are impoverished. Jeleousy
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The Chinese are Communists though they have changed since they first rebeled from the other Chinese and pushed them into Taiwan. They now have a pretty good free market that is doing awsome. If we went to war with them we would be at a huge loss with products, but I would prophisize that we would have a better economy in 10 years from getting rid of the dependence on china and if we deal with part of the immigration problem.
China has a bigger army than us but we dont even really need to land much of an army to bomb theirs to hell and gone. As in the Vietnam and Korean war the Chinese tried to help their Commi freinds out, but that didnt work for them. We had a unmatched navy and air force. We still do unless the Chinese are really sneaky and manage to hide huge masses of planes and superior technology. Kim Jong Il (however you spell it) completely embarrassed the Chinese. The Chinese were disgraced to learn that their illegitimate child son actually tried to do something without daddys consent. USA word meant nothing to the NK's, but our word did mean something to the Chinese and they swatted their child and then snivelling Kim said he will behave. Really unless the Chinese manage something huge they wouldnt defeat us in a war.
About what Yulla said about Afghanistan. Though I oppose the Iraq war the Afghan war is justified. Unlike the Iraq war the people are mostly happy about what were doing there. They allow us without bombing and guerrilla tactics to help their country with schools hospitals and what not. The taliban which is a terrorist group owned Afghanistan any other regime that was proclaimed was a joke. They were a bunch of young bomb throwing maniacs that conquered Afghanistan many years ago. We did the Iraqi people a justice by getting rid of them. A small nearly defensless nation yes but even though the lives that were killed in fighting many times that number will be saved and made better.
My rant needs to be released.Ever since the USA owned NK in the Korean war the Koreans have been a poor country that is basically China's illegitimate child son. While we helped SK grow with programs NK is still a poor country with some reliance on selling weapons to other countries for money. If my history book that is 10 years old has half a truth in it the USA has programs to help feed NK and help poor families. If I was in NK I would not like the fact that SK flourishes while we are impoverished. Jeleousy
.The Chinese are Communists though they have changed since they first rebeled from the other Chinese and pushed them into Taiwan. They now have a pretty good free market that is doing awsome. If we went to war with them we would be at a huge loss with products, but I would prophisize that we would have a better economy in 10 years from getting rid of the dependence on china and if we deal with part of the immigration problem.
China has a bigger army than us but we dont even really need to land much of an army to bomb theirs to hell and gone. As in the Vietnam and Korean war the Chinese tried to help their Commi freinds out, but that didnt work for them. We had a unmatched navy and air force. We still do unless the Chinese are really sneaky and manage to hide huge masses of planes and superior technology. Kim Jong Il (however you spell it) completely embarrassed the Chinese. The Chinese were disgraced to learn that their illegitimate child son actually tried to do something without daddys consent. USA word meant nothing to the NK's, but our word did mean something to the Chinese and they swatted their child and then snivelling Kim said he will behave. Really unless the Chinese manage something huge they wouldnt defeat us in a war.
About what Yulla said about Afghanistan. Though I oppose the Iraq war the Afghan war is justified. Unlike the Iraq war the people are mostly happy about what were doing there. They allow us without bombing and guerrilla tactics to help their country with schools hospitals and what not. The taliban which is a terrorist group owned Afghanistan any other regime that was proclaimed was a joke. They were a bunch of young bomb throwing maniacs that conquered Afghanistan many years ago. We did the Iraqi people a justice by getting rid of them. A small nearly defensless nation yes but even though the lives that were killed in fighting many times that number will be saved and made better.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-11-07 at 02:10:49
QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Nov 6 2006, 08:08 PM)
Wait if we stop buying things from china wouldn't that like hurt china more then hurt us becuase our companies can find other places to purchase from?
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No, not really. If we stopped buying from China, it would obviously hurt their economy, but they still have feasible, if much smaller, markets in Korea, Japan, and the ASEAN members. While US distributors could look for other place to get raw parts (which is what is made in China, if not more things), the rest of the undeveloped world would simply not have the manpower to fulfill US demands. And, even if they did, they would gain the kind of economic power that China has over us today.
The inevitable domestic effect of a total embargo with China would be a sharp increase in the cost of ordinary consumer goods; from clothing to toys to electronics, things would cost more. This would severely destabilize the economy because Americans, who are used to dirt cheap imports from China, would all of a sudden be faced with a fair price for a piece of clothing and would be outraged.
The other problem of economic sanctions with China is the share in which Chinese corporations hold of the national debt. Chinese corporations continue to re-invest in the US treasury since we can still manage to pay them back, while our debt nonetheless keeps skyrocketing. If a major geopolitical conflict erupted, all it would take is the cessation of investment in the Treasury and the US government would essentially be bankrupt. It would be forced to cancel the debt, sending bond interest rates through the roof (since nobody would trust bonds anymore) and result in runaway inflation.
In short, angering China isn't a very good idea.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-11-08 at 23:53:20
Yea thats what i was thinking, but I feel China will be a power anyway even if America never did business with China...