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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-11-15 at 12:54:09

Let's not mention that text triggering in SF can cost you total map corruption and such, most likely.

As I said SI is still working it although it's better already.

Besides of all feature-fight, SCMD actually looks nice, you can see how everything will look ingame without even starting SC. SF looks like crap.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by mugen on 2006-11-15 at 16:28:08

QUOTE(Falkoner @ Nov 14 2006, 10:53 PM)

Lets say you use excactly the same trigger over and over with only a few slight changes, such as text, so instead of "You bought a Mini-Bot" You want it to say "You bought a supa cow" so your first trigger is the mini-bot one, so you want to remake the shop triggers quickly so you copy the mini-bot trigger and plan on just changing the unit it creates and the text, THEN THE AUTO RECYCLING STRIKES!!!! You change "mini-bot" to "supa cow" and suddenly you realize what the string reycling has done as all the other triggers change to "supa cow" as well.
THAT is why I hate string recycling.
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I never had this problem.

SF FTW

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Insane.oO on 2006-11-15 at 17:16:48

QUOTE(DEAD @ Nov 14 2006, 12:43 PM)

BTW, weren't you supposed to be banned?

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Shouldnt you be banned too mr. 16 accounts?

I still like Starforge better because of the better trigger editor and im more used to the display on it

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Heimdal on 2006-11-15 at 18:07:25

QUOTE(DEAD @ Nov 15 2006, 12:54 PM)

Let's not mention that text triggering in SF can cost you total map corruption and such, most likely.

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Try to stick to the facts. Do you have anything to back that up?

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And is that true that SF crashes occasionaly when you can except it? If so it must be very frustrating thus you lose a lot of work when crashed without recent save

That's what the autosave feature was designed to help mitigate.

I'm not gonna comment on which editor is superior. Clearly each has at least one feature that the other doesn't, and that can make the difference in preference for some people. And it's true that SCMD has room to grow while SF hasn't been updated in a while, but I've been busy with other things.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-11-15 at 20:45:24

QUOTE(DooM77 @ Nov 15 2006, 12:54 AM)

Is Star Forge plus any better than SF 2.5? And is that true that SF crashes occasionaly when you can except it? If so it must be very frustrating thus you lose a lot of work when crashed without recent save

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No, that's not true. Starforge only crashes when you make it crash, and since it backs up your map every 30 seconds, I highly doubt you will lose much work. It's about 20 times better in this department than Sibelius 4, which likes to crash randomly and only auto-backups once every 5 minutes or so.

QUOTE(Kenoli @ Nov 15 2006, 06:34 AM)

QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser)

plus Starforge has terrain brushes.

I think I need to emphasize that Scmdraft2 is still being worked on. It will probably have all the perks of StarForge pretty soon.
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The future is not now. I don't care in the slightest what SCMD might have in the future. It doesn't have it now, hence I find it an inferior editor. If it changes to suit my tastes, I can change my likes.

QUOTE(DEAD @ Nov 15 2006, 09:54 AM)

Let's not mention that text triggering in SF can cost you total map corruption and such, most likely.

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And pigs fly, most likely.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by KABOOM on 2006-11-15 at 21:54:38

we should rly make a pinned topic about this, so this can be resolved or kept in one topic only instead of making new ones.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by scwizard on 2006-11-15 at 23:33:51

QUOTE(DEAD @ Nov 14 2006, 01:30 PM)

Of course not. Just one more step and SI will shut all Starforge fanboys forever and ever. Next and possible last version of Draft will have fixed text trigger editor.

Then there is absolutely nothing SF could be better or even equal to Draft. SF is the past, Draft is the future.

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I wait eagerly for that one more step. I'm sick of switching between editors.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-11-16 at 13:10:02

QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Nov 16 2006, 04:45 AM)

And pigs fly, most likely.
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If you say so.

It's been some time since I used that cursed editor so I might remember things a bit wrong now. So, I'll dig up one of my old posts instead.

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Ok I just tested it and I can prove to you that SF mess up maps with sounds.

I imported 3 16-bit wavs into random test map, I used SCXE for this test. Map's size was 201KB.

I opened it in SF and saved without any changes. Now maps size is 658KB, and of course SF-SCXE save bug....

If you want to see both maps I can attach them...

Now when proven that you can't make a quality map with sounds on SF, DOWNLOAD SCMDraft NOW!!!

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Staredit is 16-bit compatible. 8-bit sounds take more space and are in worse quality, because staredit can't compress them. How can SC play only 8-bit sounds while staredit, support only 16-bit sounds? And it is only SF bug. All other editors support 16-bit sounds but SF doesn't.

Looks like a pig named "Starforge" does fly. The only thing SF fanboys can say is SF trigger editor > classic trigedit, which doesn't work for me. But soon, SI will fix Draft's text trigedit and fanboys shall shut up once and for all.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Insane.oO on 2006-11-16 at 14:44:52

QUOTE(DEAD @ Nov 16 2006, 01:10 PM)

But soon, SI will fix Draft's text trigedit and fanboys shall shut up once and for all.
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I doubt that...Humans are creatures of habit and alot of people dont like switching what they are used to doing

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-11-16 at 14:51:14

They can keep being old, but at least they will stop telling that the old is better than the new.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Insane.oO on 2006-11-16 at 14:59:14

QUOTE(DEAD @ Nov 16 2006, 02:51 PM)

They can keep being old, but at least they will stop telling that the old is better than the new.

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But to some people sf will always be better than scmd so it wont really solve anything

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-11-16 at 17:11:05

It wont be better just because fanboys are used to it. As you said, it's just a habit.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by mugen on 2006-11-16 at 17:52:18

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SF fanboys

I say, Draft fanboys, use SF its better.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-11-16 at 18:10:37

QUOTE(mugen @ Nov 17 2006, 01:52 AM)

I say, Draft fanboys, use SF its better.
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When you say things like that you have to ground it with something. Of course you didn't ground it because you just don't have anything.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Heimdal on 2006-11-16 at 18:22:16

QUOTE(DEAD @ Nov 15 2006, 12:54 PM)

Let's not mention that text triggering in SF can cost you total map corruption and such, most likely.

You still didn't address the (in)accuracy of this statement.

Yes, SF has problems with WAV files, but it's not a deal-breaking situation - you can always use winMPQ or another program to re-compress the archive and sounds. For SOME PEOPLE the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. Stop trying to tell people what to like because you like it. Not everyone is the same.

I'd stop using the word "fanboy" if I were you.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-11-16 at 18:29:47

What benefit lol?

Having to run and re-compress my sounds with winmpq all the time kill the whole point of "SF > SCMD" thing.

I'm not telling people what to like, I just want people to stop telling me stupid things like SF is better and such.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Insane.oO on 2006-11-16 at 18:47:29

QUOTE(Heimdal @ Nov 16 2006, 06:22 PM)

Yeah dead if anyone is a "fanboy" your an scmd one

QUOTE(DEAD @ Nov 16 2006, 06:29 PM)

I'm not telling people what to like, I just want people to stop telling me stupid things like SF is better and such.
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QUOTE(DEAD @ Nov 14 2006, 12:30 PM)

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Not telling people whast to like eh?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-11-16 at 18:54:39

Thats the point of this topic, he asked to use SF or not. By "fanboy" I mean people who never change their mind about something, even when Draft has all the features that SF has and even more...

Open your eyes already.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kenoli on 2006-11-16 at 19:35:02

He should use whatever editor he likes the best. It hardly matters which one we think is "better". The best thing we can do is inform him.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-11-16 at 20:24:53

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And you addressed your fallacy about Starforge triggering "corrupting maps" how?

There is one simple reason why Starforge is currently superior:

It is the ONLY editor with a triggering system that is sufficiently fast for my, and many other people's, standards. All of SCMD's triggering method have been painfully slow.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-11-16 at 20:28:22

You loose your wined time when you have to manually add & compress sounds via winmpq.

Starforge is not superior, it's just your habit. I bet I can do triggers faster in classic trigedit than you in SF.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Urmom(U) on 2006-11-16 at 20:29:50

I never actually found it that much faster because I couldn't remember the syntax well enough. I would try to learn it better but I'm afraid that it will corrupt my map. Besides, SCM Draft is much better overall and I don't like how the trigger editor displays comments and stuff.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by spinesheath on 2006-11-17 at 01:32:17

Wasn't there some rule against editor bashing...?

I know those useless discussions. I had them 1000 times. NOBODY is going to change his mind here; all of you. You, DEAD, are no better than the others in this aspect.

Just forget about it. You all are wasting your time.

I suggest that whoever created this topic makes a backup and tries out all the available editors.
Next I suggest to close this topic.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kenoli on 2006-11-17 at 03:43:17

Sounds like a good idea to me.

> Woopa woop.

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