Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheOddAngel on 2004-11-30 at 19:05:52
Personaly i think now that wow's done... Is sc ghost back to geting worked on?
Anyway they most likely will make a starcraft 2 (hopefuly) so why dont we all sign a petition for that... then we could have cool features like the 3d terrain in warcraft3... Changing unit sizes... and the movie action...
That would be more worthwhile than jsut another editor for this sc... it would take to much time and waste money to design it.
Anyway they most likely will make a starcraft 2 (hopefuly) so why dont we all sign a petition for that... then we could have cool features like the 3d terrain in warcraft3... Changing unit sizes... and the movie action...
That would be more worthwhile than jsut another editor for this sc... it would take to much time and waste money to design it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2004-11-30 at 19:10:51
QUOTE(TheOddAngel @ Nov 30 2004, 06:05 PM)
Personaly i think now that wow's done... Is sc ghost back to geting worked on?
Anyway they most likely will make a starcraft 2 (hopefuly) so why dont we all sign a petition for that... then we could have cool features like the 3d terrain in warcraft3... Changing unit sizes... and the movie action...
That would be more worthwhile than jsut another editor for this sc... it would take to much time and waste money to design it.
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Anyway they most likely will make a starcraft 2 (hopefuly) so why dont we all sign a petition for that... then we could have cool features like the 3d terrain in warcraft3... Changing unit sizes... and the movie action...
That would be more worthwhile than jsut another editor for this sc... it would take to much time and waste money to design it.
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Yes they should make sc2 3d but definately not like in wc3. Those 3d graphics are terrible. Im sorry but i just dont like. That's probably one of the main reasons y i dont like wc3. If they're going to make sc2 3d, they should plz at least not try to make the same 3d flaws they did in wc3, or better yet, make it 2d like the original!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LegacyWeapon on 2004-11-30 at 19:14:39
Those graphics are pretty good if you have a good graphics card. If you set everything on Max and have the highest resolution and color it looks quite nice.
I think Blizzard will just ignore us.
I think Blizzard will just ignore us.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by .Coko[CK] on 2004-12-01 at 12:50:49
How difficult is it to change the String Limit? Beyond every single programmer who has ever created a program linked with Starcraft?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2004-12-01 at 15:47:17
It would be neat to have some of those extra features, but I want to mention something.
If they allowed custom units or units with multiple possible names, won't they have to patch SC? Therefore, it would crash if someone imported it to a computer without the patch... right? Same with new tiles. Someone please prove me wrong, because i don't think Blizz would do it if it needed SC patches
I love the idea of setting spells and player owned Dark Swarm, Disruption Web too would be useful.
Even if they did patch staredit, I doubt they'd do anything that would change the porgramming of actual SC. Guess we'll found out if they even consider this proposal eventually.
If they allowed custom units or units with multiple possible names, won't they have to patch SC? Therefore, it would crash if someone imported it to a computer without the patch... right? Same with new tiles. Someone please prove me wrong, because i don't think Blizz would do it if it needed SC patches
I love the idea of setting spells and player owned Dark Swarm, Disruption Web too would be useful.
Even if they did patch staredit, I doubt they'd do anything that would change the porgramming of actual SC. Guess we'll found out if they even consider this proposal eventually.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2004-12-01 at 15:52:34
I dont think that it will be a big problem if they patch... how do you think the users not online get the patch when its released?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by .Coko[CK] on 2004-12-01 at 15:58:05
Because of how Starcraft and the Battle.net works custom pictures would need to be downloaded like maps, and would be huge files...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2004-12-01 at 16:19:57
I know I'm too lazy to move a patch onto my laptop, and I'd probably forget, import a map, and watch it crash.
Oh yeah Coko, that would be a big problem. Perhaps just being able to have multiple units, like having as many different kinds of marines as you want or something... it would be better than nothing.
Oh yeah Coko, that would be a big problem. Perhaps just being able to have multiple units, like having as many different kinds of marines as you want or something... it would be better than nothing.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2004-12-01 at 18:19:45
They should leave Sc how it is, just update the graphics a bit.
3D is frickin lame, 2D Isom is the way to go~
No one has come up with a 'Statement of why we want a new StarEdit' yet.
Until this has become a reailty there is nothing i can do... unless the petition wants to look like crap
3D is frickin lame, 2D Isom is the way to go~
No one has come up with a 'Statement of why we want a new StarEdit' yet.
Until this has become a reailty there is nothing i can do... unless the petition wants to look like crap
Report, edit, etc...Posted by x BakaPeter x on 2004-12-01 at 18:20:23
QUOTE(Distort(U) @ Nov 29 2004, 10:48 PM)
i was thinking the other day, while sitting in Blizzard Tech Support channel, thinking about how Blizzard has all these great tools at their disposal... Then, MicahW.support@blizzard had asked for my e-mail, i lied and said i didnt have one, but thats not the point. suddenly, a great thought popped into my head... a patch for StarEdit?! i immediately asked MicahW about it, he responded by saying it IS possible, although a very large patch would be involved...
so my idea is... shall we start a petition for blizzard to create a new and improved StarEdit? they have EVERYTHING at their disposal, and it would be great to see commitment torwards the fans of Starcraft.
Notice: If you want to sign the petition, please Pm me with a brief statement, your real name, and your battle.net screenname. Thank you.
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so my idea is... shall we start a petition for blizzard to create a new and improved StarEdit? they have EVERYTHING at their disposal, and it would be great to see commitment torwards the fans of Starcraft.
Notice: If you want to sign the petition, please Pm me with a brief statement, your real name, and your battle.net screenname. Thank you.
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i seriously dont think blizzard even cares about starcraft, so why should they care about the starediter? i think blizzard will be busy working with WoW to do anything else. so it a petition wont work. they might continue to work on SC:Ghost but that might be it. and as for SC2 i dont believe it will ever come out. its most likely a rumor.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (U)Bolt_Head on 2004-12-01 at 19:20:00
It would be cool if you could load your own terrain tile images into maps like you do wavs. In addition to mp3 support of course. But we could babble about how great all this stuff would be forever and then turn around and find most of it in editor for war3. It won't happen so i'm not too interested.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Foamy on 2004-12-01 at 19:22:59
QUOTE(Tuxedo Templar @ Dec 1 2004, 12:00 AM)
Bah online petitions are bs. Blizzard thinks they're better than all of us (and with people's general stupidity I really can't blame them), plus whatever decisions they make are to serve their profits and politics, and not whatever "demands" we might have. Face it, unless it somehow correlates to them making money, they don't give a shat about their users.
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QUOTE(LegacyWeapon @ Dec 1 2004, 12:14 AM)
Those graphics are pretty good if you have a good graphics card. If you set everything on Max and have the highest resolution and color it looks quite nice.
I think Blizzard will just ignore us.
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Agree!..
The only thing I see making this possile, a new SC Map editor, is for someone to ask Blizz how we would do it, and then some Über-programer would go, "oh watta heck I'll do it"...
Do patching SC would be a prob, maybe everyone starts using a mod..
Well u see, we are basically
ed on this issue.just leave it and go on...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JohnnyHazardous on 2004-12-01 at 19:40:56
Yeah it would be cool if they made a patch to StarEdit. About the custom units thing that would be cool. It would make modding easier and then you can add your own models and stuff. Also putting all the editors together would also be cool. I'd put my name on this petition anyday.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tuxedo Templar on 2004-12-01 at 20:35:44
Here's what they REALLY need to do: release the source code! That way we can do it ourselves, since they're obviously too lazy or politically bogged down to do it.
That happening would still be pretty unlikely, though.
That happening would still be pretty unlikely, though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SI on 2004-12-01 at 20:49:20
QUOTE(Coop @ Nov 29 2004, 11:58 PM)
There is stuff that can be added that arent in SCMDraft, SF and all those. Just can't think of them right now. I'll add my name to the petition but i doubt they'll do it. My bro just got WOW I watched him play some, it's insane..
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name it somewhere where I will see it and I can look into adding it ...
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QUOTE(Tuxedo Templar @ Nov 30 2004, 06:49 PM)
Coko, increasing the string limit is one of the easiest things I can imagine they'd be able to do. Come on, how gawdamn hard is it to do dynamic memory, Blizzard? Seriously.
Some things I think they should address:
- No string limit.
- No unit limit.
- No 'Create unit with properties' limit.
- Adjustable supply limit.
- Adjustable unit HP (add and subtract, etc., and none of that percentage nonsense).
- Trigger and regular staredit-placable Xtra units.
- No limit on terrain edges (those who've hit that error know what I mean).
- Dark swarms belonging to the player who cast them. (
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- Unlimited switches (they're a fricken bit each)
- Extended "Orders" list (like in addition to 'Attack', 'Move', and 'Patrol', they also had 'Stop', 'Hold', 'Mine', 'Spell 1', 'Spell 2', etc.)
- No. God. Damn. Wait. Blockers!!!!!!1
And some things unlikely but desirable that they could address:
- Adjustable unit speeds/acceleration.
- Extended map size limit.
- Better. flipping. pathfinding. ai.
- Editable replays (cool for making movies, complete with sounds, center view, transmissions, etc.)
I doubt they'd have to spend more than a weekend to do the programming for that, if they know how. Most likely the politics are what's stopping them, such as having to run it through "quality assurance" and having everyone run a new patch, etc.
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Some things I think they should address:
- No string limit.
- No unit limit.
- No 'Create unit with properties' limit.
- Adjustable supply limit.
- Adjustable unit HP (add and subtract, etc., and none of that percentage nonsense).
- Trigger and regular staredit-placable Xtra units.
- No limit on terrain edges (those who've hit that error know what I mean).
- Dark swarms belonging to the player who cast them. (
)- Unlimited switches (they're a fricken bit each)
- Extended "Orders" list (like in addition to 'Attack', 'Move', and 'Patrol', they also had 'Stop', 'Hold', 'Mine', 'Spell 1', 'Spell 2', etc.)
- No. God. Damn. Wait. Blockers!!!!!!1
And some things unlikely but desirable that they could address:
- Adjustable unit speeds/acceleration.
- Extended map size limit.
- Better. flipping. pathfinding. ai.
- Editable replays (cool for making movies, complete with sounds, center view, transmissions, etc.)
I doubt they'd have to spend more than a weekend to do the programming for that, if they know how. Most likely the politics are what's stopping them, such as having to run it through "quality assurance" and having everyone run a new patch, etc.
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actually, the replay editing is 'virtually' impossible due to the way replays are implemented, and alot of the other things, while being possible, require modifying base SC code and that automatically involves a long long QA process, I believe the estimate of a few hours is a tad off
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QUOTE(.Coko[CK] @ Dec 1 2004, 12:50 PM)
How difficult is it to change the String Limit? Beyond every single programmer who has ever created a program linked with Starcraft?
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the string limit is only in staredit, not in starcraft. Scmdraft for example can ignore it and allow you to use more strings, although a realistic estimate is 2-4k strings.
Also, remember, blizzard had 1 guy that coded staredit, the rest of the starcraft team (90% of which have already left blizzard) have not seen the code, are not familiar with how it works. The guy that did all the coding left blizzard sometime between SC and BW, hence why BW has so few staredit modifications, as well as breaking a few features.
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QUOTE(Tuxedo Templar @ Dec 1 2004, 08:35 PM)
Here's what they REALLY need to do: release the source code! That way we can do it ourselves, since they're obviously too lazy or politically bogged down to do it.
That happening would still be pretty unlikely, though.
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I believe blizzard does not own rights to all the relevant source code, they have licensed quite a few technologies.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by x BakaPeter x on 2004-12-01 at 20:58:38
QUOTE(Tuxedo Templar @ Nov 30 2004, 06:49 PM)
Coko, increasing the string limit is one of the easiest things I can imagine they'd be able to do. Come on, how gawdamn hard is it to do dynamic memory, Blizzard? Seriously.
Some things I think they should address:
- No string limit.
- No unit limit.
- No 'Create unit with properties' limit.
- Adjustable supply limit.
- Adjustable unit HP (add and subtract, etc., and none of that percentage nonsense).
- Trigger and regular staredit-placable Xtra units.
- No limit on terrain edges (those who've hit that error know what I mean).
- Dark swarms belonging to the player who cast them. ()
- Unlimited switches (they're a fricken bit each)
- Extended "Orders" list (like in addition to 'Attack', 'Move', and 'Patrol', they also had 'Stop', 'Hold', 'Mine', 'Spell 1', 'Spell 2', etc.)
- No. God. Damn. Wait. Blockers!!!!!!1
And some things unlikely but desirable that they could address:
- Adjustable unit speeds/acceleration.
- Extended map size limit.
- Better. flipping. pathfinding. ai.
- Editable replays (cool for making movies, complete with sounds, center view, transmissions, etc.)
I doubt they'd have to spend more than a weekend to do the programming for that, if they know how. Most likely the politics are what's stopping them, such as having to run it through "quality assurance" and having everyone run a new patch, etc.
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Some things I think they should address:
- No string limit.
- No unit limit.
- No 'Create unit with properties' limit.
- Adjustable supply limit.
- Adjustable unit HP (add and subtract, etc., and none of that percentage nonsense).
- Trigger and regular staredit-placable Xtra units.
- No limit on terrain edges (those who've hit that error know what I mean).
- Dark swarms belonging to the player who cast them. (
)- Unlimited switches (they're a fricken bit each)
- Extended "Orders" list (like in addition to 'Attack', 'Move', and 'Patrol', they also had 'Stop', 'Hold', 'Mine', 'Spell 1', 'Spell 2', etc.)
- No. God. Damn. Wait. Blockers!!!!!!1
And some things unlikely but desirable that they could address:
- Adjustable unit speeds/acceleration.
- Extended map size limit.
- Better. flipping. pathfinding. ai.
- Editable replays (cool for making movies, complete with sounds, center view, transmissions, etc.)
I doubt they'd have to spend more than a weekend to do the programming for that, if they know how. Most likely the politics are what's stopping them, such as having to run it through "quality assurance" and having everyone run a new patch, etc.
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lol if it had all of those imagine what would happen. all the ums map we have today would be gone and all the advance stuff would be here and Mac users would die! well im thinking mac users wont be able to play unless its made by blizzard. i would get back to making maps if it had all those things. state of the art Counter-Strike.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PearS on 2004-12-01 at 22:57:11
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Awesome? Yes.
Will making an editor make Starcraft run any of the things you mentioned? No.
Will making an editor make Starcraft run any of the things you mentioned? No.
yes... The guy said it would have to be a large patch.
Also itd be awesome to change unit attack range like you can in Wc2 editor!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2004-12-01 at 23:00:25
i think blizzard may be afraid of releasing SC2, there are so many SC fans on SC1, but if they release SC2, they will be criticized to the greatest degree. i wouldnt want to release something for everyone to tell me how bad it sucked.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PearS on 2004-12-01 at 23:07:26
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Also, remember, blizzard had 1 guy that coded staredit, the rest of the starcraft team (90% of which have already left blizzard) have not seen the code, are not familiar with how it works. The guy that did all the coding left blizzard sometime between SC and BW, hence why BW has so few staredit modifications, as well as breaking a few features.
Never knew that. Pretty interesting.
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think blizzard may be afraid of releasing SC2, there are so many SC fans on SC1, but if they release SC2, they will be criticized to the greatest degree. i wouldnt want to release something for everyone to tell me how bad it sucked.
I don't think Blizzard is capable or has standards low enough to release a sucky game. It'd be awesome if you could open sc1 maps in sc2 so you can revamp them =D. Also i LOVE the 3d graphics and i would love to see my starcraft buddies in 3d =D.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2004-12-02 at 05:02:54
Another way to make this possible is to pay blizzard money. 
I doubt they will make a huge patch for us just because we're saying "it's kewl" or "we are missing features". Making this patch will not necessarily benefit them and they cannot possibly decide to move off some of their current major projects and pay extra money for the programmers to make a huge patch just because of some map makers' demand.
I doubt they will make a huge patch for us just because we're saying "it's kewl" or "we are missing features". Making this patch will not necessarily benefit them and they cannot possibly decide to move off some of their current major projects and pay extra money for the programmers to make a huge patch just because of some map makers' demand.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2004-12-02 at 06:10:17
But they'd get so much money from it! 
If the only put SC2 as their next project!
If the only put SC2 as their next project!Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sikas on 2004-12-02 at 09:35:22
There are still a lot of SC fans out there, if only they would make Starcraft 2. I mean there are PLENTY of MMORPGS now.. Everquest, Everquest II, and many among others.. Why bother to compete? I still think they're better off making an PC Sc game.. Anyways, who wants to pay for WoW, when you got EQ? EQ is better specially EQ II with their revamp.. I mean cmon.. Jus quit and make SC 2 :/
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Narvs on 2004-12-02 at 12:32:23
I would say if they were to revamp staredit why waste the time
Now don't get me wrong a better editor would be awsome, but they should just work towards SC2 rather then even trying to deal with revamping staredit, because they could just have a better editor for SC2. With more units, no string limits, etc.
Also they would get a load more money if they did SC2 rather then making a new patch.
Now don't get me wrong a better editor would be awsome, but they should just work towards SC2 rather then even trying to deal with revamping staredit, because they could just have a better editor for SC2. With more units, no string limits, etc.
Also they would get a
load more money if they did SC2 rather then making a new patch.Report, edit, etc...Posted by .Coko[CK] on 2004-12-02 at 15:42:45
Stop thinking about SC2, its not on the plate, and therefore won't be until current projects are completed, and even then, with their track record of five years minimum to release a game, you've got a long wait.
SC2 will not happen for about 5 years minimum, stop this nonsense.
SC2 will not happen for about 5 years minimum, stop this nonsense.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2004-12-02 at 19:59:30
Signzored.
Woot.
Woot.