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PC isn't only for gaming So it's better.

Exactly!

Intel 815 motherboard - $39
128 mb PC2100 266 MHz DDR Ram - $8 (twice as much and faster Ram)
64 mb GeForce 5200 video card - $33
10 GB hard drive - $20
16x DVD Rom Drive - $18
300 watt ATX case - $27

Total: $145

Those can be compared to the XBox specifications.

Add in a 7.1 sound card for like another $30. Then again, the operating system would cost at least $40. So, it would cost a bit more than an XBox, but you would be able to do so much more with it.

It's Console* and this xbox game called "Paraiah" has a editor itself. For Xbox Live, mostly everybody uses the two free months subcriptions, or 3 or a year. PC games that's mmorpg always needs paying.

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Consoles such as PS2, Xbox, PS3, Xbox 360 has a DVD player and a music player.

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PS2 and Xbox games has mods, and they sometimes use mods to do map editing.

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Same with Consoles.

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There are RPGs in consoles, you just didn't see one before.

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It will get lag, if you have T1 or T3 with a lot of random people with random weak connections.

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F.E.A.R., Half-Life 2, Counter-Strike, Wolfenstein, Doom 3(and expansion), StarCraft: Ghost, MechWarrior, Worms, Freelancer are in consoles.

I don't get it. You quote me when I say "PC is almost unlimited" and you say that consoles has DVD player. What do you mean by that. That makes consoles unlimited ? BTW PC has DVD player to so I still don't get your idea. And consoles are designed to play games and no more.

No, you're just saying that Consoles only supports games.

No, Lisk said that. I said that consoles can't be upgraded when they gets old and out of date.

PCs right now can do a lot more than consoles. No one is going to argue that point.



The same is true in any case involving weak connections. There are broadband only servers (well max ping is set to like 75 or something).



Half-life 2, Counterstrike, Return to Castle Wolfenstein (and Enemy Territory), Doom 3 (and expansion), MechWarrior, and Worms are all part of the PC family.

Most of them are superior on PCs. The old ones probably aren't.

HL2=almost impossible to play on console. Only XBox can handle it, and on Medium Quality at 640x480, 16-bit color.
Doom3=Similar to HL2.
Ghost=not being ported to PC.
MechWarrior=never became a console game. They created a seperate, crappy subdivision of the series for consoles.
Worms=WTF? When did that happen?
Freelancer=See above.

Right you can ... $300 for a new console OOOR $200 for a new graphics card, $80 for a memory upgrade, $200 for a better processor, $100 for a new motherboard if your memory and processor need a better one, $80 for the next-gen media device, and those are the prices of the decent quality products - I'm not listing crappy quality products because consoles don't use crappy quality products... sure you can upgrade computers but to upgade them like you would a console it could cost you way more than the console itself and what about all the exclusive console games? You then have to wait for someone to make an emulator and further wait for them to optomize it and tweak it so that it runs better and faster. And even then all the next-gen console will beat any computer out of the box for years afterwwards.

After 2 years my Atari, Nintendo, Sega, Playstation, Nintendo 64, Playstation 2, GameCube were all not complete crap. I could not play any games on the computer 2 years after those were released because there were no emulators or computers good enough to play them. It's still 4 years after the PS2 was released and there isn't an emulator good enough to run games smoothly on my computer (and trust me, this computer isn't no piece of junk).

I am sorry but there are no console that can beat a good PC in quality and speed.

You have listed astronomic prices there chu. I don't know where you get your parts but it is obvious that it's the wrong place.

You can upgrade your comp with the best stuff available and it won't outdate for a long time. Besides, at high parameters the diff from very good and better is very small. Diff is high only between extremely good and the best so you can get extremely good parts for a reasonable price. And the abilities of PC are are almost unlimited.

But you have to be smart enough to use a PC. Consoles are more newbie friendly. They are less complicated and the lack of abilities also goes to here. You don't have to understand/learn so many things to use consoles.

PC still better .

Right well tell me when you can play PS2 games smoothly on your PC. Then when the PS3 comes out, tell me when you can play PS3 games smoothly on your PC. After spending more money than the cost of the console and waiting a few years I will expect an answer.

I don't know where you're shopping, but I get my prices from a cheap retailer. Examples of costs would be $20 for a :poo:ty motherboard, $100 for a decent one, and $150+ for a good one. $30 for a :poo:ty graphics card, $200 for a decent one, and $600 for a good one. www.newegg.com - I'm not seeing anything cheaper at local stores where I live.

You are right about motherboard but 600$ for a good graphics card. If you are from NASA then maybe otherwise nope. You can't run PS2 games smooth because you need damn emulator and it makes the games go bad. Why you need to run PS2 games on PC anyway? I believe that all good games are available on PC. And if you buy a graphics card for 600$ I don't see how something could not run smooth with that beast installed.

First, the mobo would cost much more than that... especially since you conveniently forgot the CPU. That memory would cost 20 bucks (and it's not good memory either, the new consoles will have better ones), the video card would be about 50-60 bucks, the hard drive he's right about, the DVD Rom drive will definitely cost more than 18 bucks... I'd give it 40, and the case + PSU would cost a minimum of 80 bucks, and all that rapped together can play Counter Strike for PC on Normal Settings with small amount of lag.
If you want a GOOD running computer (Like playing Doom 3 on normal settings) you'd have to get something well over 400$ (That's if you buy everything new, not just get a new processor and videocard) which you'd have to buy new stuff again in another year since the graphics will just keep improving. So if you're made out of money or win the lottery every now and then the PC is for you.

Oh crap, did I forget the cpu? $20 there for a 733 MHz

*Edit* I went to Pricewatch.com for the prices.

You believe all good games are on PC? Well sorry. I didn't know your beliefs applied as the truth to everyone, I'll stop playing my console games and handhelds right away sir! You see what I'm getting at? Consoles are made for a reason - PC's aren't generally dedicated gaming machines and people don't really want to fumble with installing/uninstalling things. Consoles are a simple and fast solution to the gaming environment and handhelds let you play anywhere.

For the most up to date graphics card you will have to spend close to $600.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16814143028

Or maybe I'm wrong?

I just found this. I voted PC.

You're crazy Chu. The 7800 GTX costs less (is only 256 mb) but works better.

I just went to the best graphics card shown on the featured page:

http://www.newegg.com/ProductSort/SubCateg...?SubCategory=48

While you are correct, the 7800 GTX is just as good (except for memory) it also costs almost $500 while being on sale.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16814127187

Overall the one I posted is better because it has twice as much memory. And when it comes to a graphics card one of the most important aspects IS memory. On the other hand:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16814102548

That looks solid, but it lacks many features which automatically loses my interest in it. Also it's not as 'enhanced' as the previous two I posted. It will run slower the the previous ones despite it's high memory. And it still is $400. More than any console has every cost and probably will ever cost.

The 7800 GTX is a surefire win.

Isn't that card (or a modified version) the one that nVidia is making for the PS3?

The GPU for the PS3 will be more incorporated into the actual system so it will be both worst and better than that one. It all depends on how the developer is using it. But it has potential to be way better than the 7800 GTX.

So it's like the 7800 GTX, but it's embedded somehow into the whole PS3 thing?

I don't really keep up with consoles, sorry.

The GPU's are more part of the console than an actual seperate piece of hardware added on. It has it's own processing power (like the 7800 GTX) but it's not as much. However it does have the high memory, pixel output, and other features not found with the GTX it is also restricted to using some of the same components the sound card, and everything else in the PS3 itself is using.

Though I may be reading about it incorrectly, I believe this is how it works.

EDIT: I'm pretty sure the 360 doesn't even have processing power on it's GPU which would make it slower but it also has more memory bandwidth than the PS3 in some areas which I imagine would help it keep up in the way of graphics.

Let me point out the main part of your "Cheap spendings for good games":

Even all that stuff together can only play old games on crappy settings so you'd have to add a zero to the end of all the numbers you showed for it to play anything good, unless you want to play CS and Starcraft for the next year or so.

My PC has a dvd-rw and it can play DVDs. Why buy them, when you can download 'em?
You can't play CS, Quake... and if you could (ported) you'd be raped by the PC players

Important things on a videocard :
slot , Core clock, PixelPipelines, Memory Clock, Memory Size

okay... So far PC>Console in terms of... everything but the cost