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And when you mass them , they wind up doing more damage to their allies. They have sixty hit points when at that point one could mass several hundred points worth of ultralisks, defilers, hydras. They really are not a crucial part of the Zerg, but a part nonetheless. But unlike dragoons, ITs only attack ground, and when one orders it to attack an area on the map not occupied with anything, the IT will suicide at that location anyway. IT is DEFINTELY made useless by Fastest maps. As for normal melee, I said widespread, not localized use. And not many people will gothrough the effort of getting ITs when they have a massing of mutalisks, hydralisks, ultralisks, or zerglings. Zerg strategy is more massing than anything. You just can't mass ITs very fast. Unless you are fighting multiple Terran enemies, and they either happen to be stupid, or you happen to be able tio get away with it while still moving your new CC to a safe location. Most players don't go throguh with the effort, especially if they can use something else that they already have. Please, go play some more melee, and I suggest you watch what people do.

Who cares. It was meant to be patched. I'll just find what they forgot to patch.

Couldn't we still make ITs in 1.13b? If so, and I am not mistaken, then the IT glitch is from THIS patch. I remember clearly being able to make ITs before 1.13b.

Ya, too bad hacks ruin this great game. They are actually criminals, breaking the EULA and distributing hacks. The way I believe Blizzard deals with these things anyway is just sending them a letter or something to cease and desist forcing the site to shutdown.

I really don't care how hackers feel or why they create hacks. It's really no excuse to ruin a game for the majority of people who play the game.

And I'd rather be an "a-hole" and a "snitch" and stop hacking sites than play a game filled with hacks.

Please don't argue your case for melee. You know nothing about it.

I know plenty. I used to play melee. And if you would like to offer some defense of ITs in melee, go ahead. Enlighten me.

Dude, using ITs is like nuking a Protoss.

Haha, used to. You mean the campaigns?

Ultimo are you saying ITs are a viable strategy?

... I don't even know what side Tavrobel is on about ITs

Tavrobel and Devilesk, please keep your damn debates in PMs. I'm tired and sick of hearing you two hijacking EVERY DAMNED news thread.


EDIT: Devilesk: Just saying it now before you start doing it again. You did start to argue there..

MrrLL what are you talking about?

So is nuking. I didn't say they NEVER had potential. I just said I don't really see a use for them in major melee play. If you use them, that's fine. That's your prerogative to do what you want the way you know how if it means winning against someone. Or teaching someone how to use them.



No, I mean melee on Battle.net. But the ITs were godly in campaigns, level three and four the most. I wound up not using them by Omega (XZ 10), however.

Err... we are having a misunderstanding. I guess I'm agreeing with you that ITs are not a major part of melee. Which is why I said ITs are like nuking a protoss



What are you talking about? I'm not the one who started talking about ITs and then going off on a tangent saying if they are useful/useless in Melee. I'm just giving my opinion on it, which I must say is better than all the people who say ITs are a viable strategy in melee.

Ohh. A nuke is a nuke, ain't it?

... I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

Amen bro!!!



It's not the hackers' faults that the USER decides to USE their hacks. The hackers make the hacks, give it off to a bunch of websites for distribution, and USERS decide to use the hack. Hackers did not ruin the game, the USERS themsleves did. Don't blame hackers, it's your fault, not their's.

A metaphor. If something works, why not use it? Unless you can use something else. That's how I look at it.

... Most of the time the hackers distribute and encourage the use of their hacks. Giving the hacks to websites is basically them condoning the use of their hacks. They still have responsibility. It's like an adult giving a minor a gun.


... What the hell, now are you saying ITs are useful and a viable strategy? ITs are a waste of time. If you can get ITs then you could have won the game doing something else that is more easily pulled off

Well the users are encouraging the makers. And the users are essentailly taking on the name of "hacking", whether they deny it or not.

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Again, I say it is a metaphor. Please check one of my previous threads. Of course Zerg players can't nuke. But an IT does do the damage that a nuke does for units with less than 700 hp. Anything more increases the damage. (for Terran Nuclear Missiles)

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I also said use it if you can't use something else. I never said they were widely viable.

... "can't use something else". There's MANY other things you could do. I'm sorry that the Starcraft game you are playing has all the other units disabled.

To add to the fact that ITs are pretty much not used at all is the fact that you have to tech to queens.

Don't tell that to me, tell that to the people who use ITs as a main strategy. I don't use em. Too cumbersome to use unless I had no other choice.

So you're saying if the little kid shot a guy in da head, the person who gave him the gun should go to jail and the little kid can still roam the streets?


"Doing more damage to their allies," where's your micro? Infested terrans can splash 500 dmg onto a solid number of ultralisks, probably just killing them all with a single Infested Terran. Hell yes they're a crucial part of Zerg. If a Zerg player has access to infested terrans, he has an enormous advantage, like I said earlier. Fastest Possible maps are for newbs. Do you really need 50 minerals stacked one inch away from your Nexus? There's no micro needed, just pick a solid unit and mass. Zerg strategy is the same as Terran or Protoss strategy; micro is vital. If you play a team game, maybe 3v3 BGH or 4v4, you might have a chance of getting a Terran ally. Just ask politely for him to send over a cc for infestation and you'll have infested terrans pumping out in no time. Most players don't go through with the effort because most players are newbs that need to go learn to melee and actually beat the campaigns WITHOUT cheats. Please, go play some more melee, and I suggest that YOU watch what PROFESSIONALS do.



Infested terrans definitely are not a waste of time, just like getting a nuke isn't. If you can get infested terrans, that doesn't mean you could have won the game already. You really only need to tech to lair, mutate a queen's nest, mutate a queen, and then have a friendly Terran ally send you a cc; unlike the techage of hive, a number of tech buildings to purchase your zerglings, hydralisks, mutalisks, and then your defiler mound(s), and then ultralisk den just so you can start massing properly (not to mention several hatcheries), which you can probably have an infested cc by then.

The point is you will never "have no other choice". And who the hell uses ITs as a main strategy? Please provide good players as examples.