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Would you like to tell me where you heard the first floors crumbled first?

I never said the first floors wonderful friend. And if you got confused because I said bottom, I meant below. Look at the damn video for your proof. The middle of the building collapses before the top one does on one tower, and no. It's not because of the plane.

Would you like to provide a link to the video, because I have better things to do then search through WTC conspiracy sites in my free time. By the way, here's a little link for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi

It's true certain people such as yourself like to handle their belief system like it's some sort of lunch buffet. People like this usually use this methodology since they can pick and choose everything they want to believe so that it is at harmony with the fairy tail which they want to live out. They choose not to look at the glaring conflicts between the various things they believe since it would upset their world and somehow (beyond me) rationalize it for themselves.

Someone who wants to believe in exorcisms believes that spirts or demons manifest can themselves in people and that God has given priests the power to clense them. If a person chooses to take this route forfeits the ability to say people can control a spirtual energy through meditation since they believe in God and only God controls spirtual world. Anyone who claims that they posses spiritual energy not through this Christian God granting such is blasphemous and is of the devil (as the religion states).

I know it is impossible for someone like yourself to see these glaring holes in your ideologies since it's been proven time and again by so many narcissistic people just like you. The only one you are hurting is yourself.

Arrogance is blinding you, my friend.

The difference between us and you is that we can see things from your side, but we just choose to take our own side. We take no arrogant stand. You, on the other hand, cannot even SEE what our side has to offer. You do take an arrogant stance.

Evidence? here:

It's not that you aren't interested, it's that you are unable to do so. You're just using that as an excuse. If you REALLY wanted to point out those "fallacies," you'd be more than willing to.

You also fail to realize that you make TONS of grammatical errors in your sentences, MUCH worse than what kellimus did. Again, this shows how blind you are.

You fail to realize that EVERYONE handles their belief systems as lunch buffets. You fail to realize that these type of people include yourself.

You also fail to realize that what you said was wrong and not true. Yes demons can manifest in people, but when priests drive the demons out, they use GOD to do so, not their own magical powers. ANYone can drive devils out; they just have to be spiritually strong with God, which is easy for anyone to do. Normally, priests are the ones brave enough to take these tasks. And honestly, I dont think you even know what exorcism is. Exorcism is where priest (or whoever) pray very hard to God asking him to drive the devil out. Way to go, Mr. expert-on-exorcism.

This TRULY proves how arrogant, narcistic, and blind you are. You think you are a perfect man with perfect beliefs and that we "inferior" people have holes in ours when you fail to realize that there a little thing called "opinions." Yes, everything we say are opinions, but you on the otherhand, are turning your opinions into facts, as proved by the quotes i just quoted.


And as kellimus said...

Hmm I believe this applies to the piece of evidence about the Ripley's Believe it or Not situation:



I know this isn't the only thing wrong with the Ripley's Believe it or Not thing, but it's one example of a fallacy it commits.

And yes, I know you will say, "but you can actually see it happening", but there's also other things wrong with this "argument".


I also find it annoying how just because someone can see things with a logical viewpoint and can realize when something is illogical and has no proof that certain people just label them as "not being openminded". If your definition of being openminded is to disregard whether something is logical or not then I don't want to be "openminded".

And I also find it useless how people from both sides point out irrelevant things and start straying from the true argument. You guys look like just because you can disprove those irrelevant things and just focus on that then you are winning the actual argument. That is not the case.




And by the way, I believe the fallacy that shows all of Kellimus's faults in his arguments is ad hoc.

And I've got the great CheeZuS to back me up

Devilesk, I though this day would never come, but hell, I agree with you.

I haven't really discussed my side that much so you tell me what is my side again? In fear that you might get it wrong .. I'll tell you now.. I have no religion which I advocate therefore I do not have an agenda to push. When you have no religion your common sense and reasoning process is not tainted by faith. Now it might sound that I'm on some high horse dishing out these words but you will have to understand I am not out there to prove somebody wrong.. The only thing I push is knowledge and that fact all mystries in this universe, we as humans do not have to be scared of these things as fear only breeds lies and misinformation. As long as members of the human race choose to fear the unknown there will continue to be religion and the uninformed, uneducated fanatics that come with it.



Nah it's just that I've become disintrested in repeating myself since I have already discussed the err in logic many a times to deaf ears.


So sad I have to actually have to point this out to you but here it goes.. It doesn't matter how many grammatical errors I make since I am not the one resorting to personal attacks telling them that drugs have messed with their head. The blind resort to personal attacks when they have nothing else to pull their weight.



My belief system is not something that I just threw together.. It involves much thought and it is not closed to reason. If you have a valid argument with facts and evidence to backup your claim, my ears are yours. Those with certain belief system cannot however offer the same open mindness since that would crumble their God and all that goes with it if they were to accept it. When certain belief systems involve your salvation and proclaim certain death and suffering, this only complicates the situation.



I was expecially careful discribing this process since the religious cats love to pounce on you if somehow suggest power is in man. The funny thing is I said it correctly but you somehow managed to twist my words when you were reading it to sound as if I was suggesting power was in man, froming this into a personal attack on the "expert-on-exorcism".

My words:


You will see I specifically stated that "God has given priests the power" and if you want to get technical.. priests call on God while preforming this ceremony and ask for God to rid this person of evil demons. I even said (see bold) that anyone that claims personal power is blasphemous and of the devil...which was relating to the conflicting ideologies which Kellimus believes in.

I seriously believe you must read my words through some type of kaleidoscope!? How could you possibly twist what I wrote there to say the exact opposite of what you just said .. even though in reality I said excatly the same thing you just did. You ask me why I refraign from responding to your replies... here is a perfect example. You can't read properly.



You learned a new word today.. "narcissistic". When somebody asks you if you learned anything from this thread you can tell them you infact you have and you wouldn't be lying!! Damn.. I guess this wasn't all in vain!


"And as kellimus said..."


You can't smell sunshine. Coffee maybe?

Read below:



That was a personal attack against me. You attacked me by saying that because I listen to Electronic Music, and I Liquid Rave, that I automatically do the drug known as MDMA.

Even more hypocracy from an arrogent one such as yourself.

Go ahead. Try and prove "fallacies" within this post. You already proved yourself wrong.

That was a personal attack on you only because you view MDMA in a negative way. I myself do not view MDMA in a negative context therefore it is impossible for me to use this as a personal attack. Also so funny that you bring this back the many times that you have... I have told you before and I will tell you again the only reason I even mentioned this drug was the positive outlook on life which it enables you to see. You seem to ignore this fact and act like a chicken with it's head cutoff running around crying foul that someone suggested you used drugs. Funny really.


The more you try, the more you fail.. stop trying to attack me.

That can't levitate people though, only small objects for simply rediculous ammounts of energy.

Good for you. It's fine that you are not religious and you think that religion is dumb. But if you call us people dumb for being religious or because we're religious, as you have done, then that's too far.
I'd suggest that you read point #3 here: http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopic=19321 since you do not know the difference between the two.


You may have repeated yourself, but not with good arguments. There was no credibility behind any of what you said in the exorcism thread.


You're telling someone, who makes fewer gramatical errors than you, to brush up on their grammar when it's infact you that should be working on it more.


So you believe our belief system is something that we just threw together? Where's your evidence? Oh wait that's right... you have none. There's no credibility behind that so please refrain from saying pure jibberish.
But who the hell would treat their belief systems like how you described it with that lunch buffet analogy? You do realize that you're talking about people 10 times smarter than you (as i have mentioned already). Yea, so you might as well call every great person that was religious stupid.


"God has given priests the power" does not translate into "Priests asking God to use his power." Is english not your first language? Let me take you through english lessons:

When person A "gives" something to person B, he transfers that object or whatever from himself to person B. Now when Person A "asks" Person B to do something, he uses his mouth and utters a command or request and then person B does what they're told to do so.

What you meant did mean what I said. But what you said did not. There's a difference.


No, it's because you couldn't think of responses. I clearly won those arguments but you, being arrogant as you were, wouldn't admit it (and used kellimus' posts as escape routes). Now that last post I made had some opportunities for you to respond and then you decided to cover up your reasons for not replying to my past posts by making a false accusation about how I can't read.


Realizing that what I said was true, you decided to digress by saying something completely irrelevant. Nice

#1: It was a personal attack on me because I view MDMA in a negative way and you don't so you aren't using it to attack me? Read how you just wrote that. You just contradicted yourself.

#2: What positive outlook does it give you? A life of addiction to false euphoria? I don't ever want to depend on a drug to make my life "grand"

I seem to ignore the fact that MDMA gives you a positive outlook on life because it bombards your brain with chemicals specifically made to induce a false euphoria? I was right. You DO have a warped sense of perception and logic. Anyone with a brain would know that taking drugs to "deal with your depression" (Especially ones that produce fake euphorias) is stupid and doesn't create a positive outlook on life.

#3 The more I try, the more I fail to attack you? I'm not attacking YOU. I did once, but compared to you? Wow.. So funny how you will try to use that in an argument against me whn all i'm doing is attacking your pathetic attempts at a plausible argument against me. YOU are the one that is attacking people. I know that you cannot change someones OPIONION, and all I try to do is state MY OPINION so we can have a debate to see eachothers side. But you... You personally attack them because your OPINION is completely different then theirs. And yes, i'm going to attack you right now:

Lay off the Ecstacy because all it does is show how stupid you really are.

Well, I see the hacker of SEN past has returned.

Welcome(?) back, Synd][cate, I remember you.

You've agreed with me before


I like how everyone else has stopped talking about levitation and chi/ki.



The last ten posts have just been BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH then another person goes BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

To an extent. I ask for the evidence that it doesn't exist, then they do the same thing back to me. So if we really wanted to get anywhere in the discussion, BOTH sides would have to show evidence, which clearly, none have done (Yes i'm bashing myself)

But when Synd][cate throws blam out and doesn't have evidence to back it up, the discussion dwindles down to the people he is bashing, having to defend themselves.

You are asserting that chi/ki exists. You have to provide evidence for its existence. We who disagree don't have to show anything. Burden of proof.

And what blam is syndicate talking about that relates to chi/ki

I can't believe people actually agree that there is such thing as levitation. Brain waves cannot make things move by them selves... but I guess people will believe anything.

What does brain waves have to do with levitation?

I don't know. I mean, on most occasions when I hear about "levitation," it has to do with thinking about floating in deep thought, meditating and stuff.

With magnets, it would be possible with standing on a giant magnet, but if flips over to attract to the other magnet, game over for you (splat).

Magnets wouldn't be true levitating though..

I think the best response to what you guys have posted is nothing. You have proven how twisted and illogical your interpretations of what I said are and I don't argue with anything other than logic.. so your on your own.


I have not talked much about levitation itself because it has not even crossed my mind as being valid with todays technology. Ordinary people like to talk about things like levatation and other highly complex phenomenon as if to make themselves feel smart. I do not claim to have a large IQ this is because I don't pretend that I do..

If levitation has even crossed your mind in this thread as being some valid without the proof of highly complex mathimatical equations.. You might as well become a Yoga master and use your Ki / Chi or Ti for such. At least you'll be a master at something and trust me it's not even remotely related to leviation.

Sorry to be a bit off topic syd][cate, but the IP your sig says I have is wrong.
Additiontobelessofftopic:
And I really don't get how they can claim that levitation occurs through the use of the mind, the brain is a big squishy tank of chemicals, not much more.

This topic is all about being off topic, don't worry.



Don't worry .. if you are using a proxy server which most hosts do, that's the ip address it will show.

Although.. nslookup returns this for your info

C:\>nslookup
> 12.202.71.122

Name: 12-202-71-122.client.insightBB.com
Address: 12.202.71.122

Which kinda says you are not behind a proxy. I could be wrong.

Ahh, who knows, that COULD be my IP I guess, but I'm fairly sure its something else.
Time to start messing your thing up by connecting to SeN at school :evil:
Man, since when does SeN not have an :evil: smily?
Just out of curiosity, what would that do, would it just choose the IP I used most often, or would it get confused?

It would get confused since right now I only have the most used IP associated with each name.. although add a few lines of code, if it doesn't find the #1 used IP it uses the 2nd and 3rd.. etc.

Let me do that right now