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Certain tribes, he's right.

OMFG WHAT THE FARK CHRIS MADE A TYPO OMGZ LETS FLAME HIM

Kell, if you would have actually understood my post and did not have a prejudice on me, then you would have realized I ment good.........................................

he wasn't just sent to find a trade route, columbus killed native americans and DID WANT TO FIND GOLD, when he saw the tiny gold/silver primal jewals (not very nice looking treasures) he thought there must be gold near by, in which he then forced the native people to help him find it. He found little to none. Columbus did capture natives.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus



Mmm so yes I do believe I was mistaken that he was under orders to find slaves. But when he did get to the new world he did enslave natives to find gold for him and also he captured many slaves. I knew I was correct about the slave thing.

The people who disagree with me should also read: A People's History of the United States by howard zinn, in which he discusses, with proof, about what Im talking about (Columbus etc)

Those stuff are not always true.

No, you aren't certain, coming to America may have been salvation for your ancestors, as it was for many people who came. But I have to give you credit for throwing a pissy fit.

salvation for his ancestors?! from what....?

Certain Tribes*

Crime, Slavery, etc.

By the way, that piece of my post wasn't even my main argument.

no new ideas are coming uo here, but remember how he ordered his people to kill and capture Native Americans if possible. He RAPED women slaves and sold men in European market.

Hero? Yes.
Villian? Yes.
But because of him, i enjoy many things i take for granted.
And without him, i most likely would not have been born.

I'd just like to point out you can't answer the question "Is Christopher Columbus a Hero or a villian" with "yes" or "no"
That was directed to whoever made the poll.

Wouldn't it be 'Hero' and 'Villian'?

My comment wasn't related to the discussion, if thats what you're talking about.
It was just a side note.

I wonder WHY they did that... Hmm...

Even if he killed hundreds of indians... whoopdi-doo... Look at the europeans who killed even more to gain land and look at the southern white people who enslaved every black person that set foot on american soil... Even if he was a villain WHO cares... it may have changed some events but America still would've had a civil war... revolutionary war.. WWI and WWII... The past is the past... we cant change it... who cares...

The killing of Native Americans was genocide, pure and simple. Several MILLIONS of Indians were killed through violence and the spread of European diseases. I can't take that lightly.

Also... would anyone mind telling me WHICH tribes were cannibalistic? There were a few pacific island tribes that would engage in cannibalism, as well as a few in South America and Africa (even then, it was not their primary susitinence), but to my knowledge there were NOT any North American cannibalistic tribes. That's a rather outlandish and offensive claim, and I'd like to know where you get your information (you history teacher doesn't count).

Oh, and they were savages? They were very clean and respectful of nature. Unwasteful, highly spiritual, and moral people. The spirit dances that they perform take years to master, as do their hunting strategies. As a boy, I was told by my grandfather that a young man's right of passage was often to survive in the woods alone for a while with only a single arrow to shoot with. Imagine the intenisty and concentration it would take to accomplish that. If you define savage as a people who lacked knowledge in European technology, then I guess they were savages. But we all know that definition is not true.

This takes me back to an evolution argument I made earlier. Native Americans were not a primitive people, they had just done what worked for them. When comparing any species of animal, you can see that they don't evolve in a single direction, but they evolve in the way that best suits their needs. That's why you can't compare differences in technology and belief systems in people that evolved seperately from eachother.

This is to all the white people who say that we need to get these illegal immigrants out of the country: "We'll help you pack." Hehehe, that was in a newspaper comic that cracked me up.

you tell em doodan :0

anyway wasnt the tribe called the caribs? thats what the carribians were named after.