Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-04-08 at 15:54:00
QUOTE(2-2 @ Apr 8 2006, 07:07 AM)
It's not weeding out the weak, it's weeding out the people who don't want to learn. If he paid attention during class, did his work, yet wasn't good at it, he can get accomedations like being moved down to an easier class.
There are ways to help people that aren't good at a certain thing in school. But if they don't care, they're just slowing down everybody.
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There are ways to help people that aren't good at a certain thing in school. But if they don't care, they're just slowing down everybody.
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Not entirely, again it depends on where you live.
Highs schools where I live and MANY accross the country offer AP courses and Honor courses and advanced courses.
You guys are complaining about being stuck with people who aren't as smart as you just consider this: They are making you look good.
Also, just get your butts into advanced classes and talk to counselers about higher education. Lots of things are offered its just up to you guys to get it done.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-04-08 at 16:10:56
The no child left behind act also mandates that any school recieving federal funding to give all your private information to the military for recruitment purposes. You may opt out, but the thing is, majority of the schools do not tell you about that.
www.militaryfreezone.com
All information on that is there.
www.militaryfreezone.com
All information on that is there.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-04-08 at 18:50:39
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Not entirely, again it depends on where you live.
Highs schools where I live and MANY accross the country offer AP courses and Honor courses and advanced courses.
You guys are complaining about being stuck with people who aren't as smart as you just consider this: They are making you look good.
Also, just get your butts into advanced classes and talk to counselers about higher education. Lots of things are offered its just up to you guys to get it done.
Highs schools where I live and MANY accross the country offer AP courses and Honor courses and advanced courses.
You guys are complaining about being stuck with people who aren't as smart as you just consider this: They are making you look good.
Also, just get your butts into advanced classes and talk to counselers about higher education. Lots of things are offered its just up to you guys to get it done.
I'm in middle school, and I'm quite sure we don't get those options there.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-04-08 at 18:57:42
QUOTE(Snake)Ling @ Apr 6 2006, 11:42 AM)
Zombie: Honestly, who the hell needs cursive? It's messy and cannot be easily read. The only thing it is really used for is signatures.
TheDaddy420: Yes, a lot of people thought the world was flat, and they were wrong. Guess what? More people believe in creationism than in evolution, so by your logic, creationism is wrong. You've killed your own argument.
Now then, TheDaddy420, there is scientific proof towards evolution, yet no scientific proof towards creationism, but people still believe in creationism for inexplicable reasons. People thought the world was flat, though there was scientific proof towards the world being round and not for it being flat. Yet, like creationists, they inexplicably believed the world was flat.
Also, it is not very well that the creationism theory could be correct. Why? THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF. Period. Done. Now, could y'all please shut up about that theory? Now then, there is LOTS OF SCIENTIFIC PROOF for evolution. In fact, it's in life. Two people have a child. The child does not grow up to look exactly like either of the parents. Should evolution be false, the child would look exactly like his parents. But this is not the case.
Should evolution be false, there would be no dog breeds. Look at the large variety of dog breeds. How can this be? Humanity controlled the dog's short-term evolution vigorously. So then, sure, you can believe God controls evolution, I don't care, but you cannot deny evolution.
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TheDaddy420: Yes, a lot of people thought the world was flat, and they were wrong. Guess what? More people believe in creationism than in evolution, so by your logic, creationism is wrong. You've killed your own argument.
Now then, TheDaddy420, there is scientific proof towards evolution, yet no scientific proof towards creationism, but people still believe in creationism for inexplicable reasons. People thought the world was flat, though there was scientific proof towards the world being round and not for it being flat. Yet, like creationists, they inexplicably believed the world was flat.
Also, it is not very well that the creationism theory could be correct. Why? THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF. Period. Done. Now, could y'all please shut up about that theory? Now then, there is LOTS OF SCIENTIFIC PROOF for evolution. In fact, it's in life. Two people have a child. The child does not grow up to look exactly like either of the parents. Should evolution be false, the child would look exactly like his parents. But this is not the case.
Should evolution be false, there would be no dog breeds. Look at the large variety of dog breeds. How can this be? Humanity controlled the dog's short-term evolution vigorously. So then, sure, you can believe God controls evolution, I don't care, but you cannot deny evolution.
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QUOTE(Kellimus @ Apr 6 2006, 01:46 PM)
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Zombie: Honestly, who the hell needs cursive? It's messy and cannot be easily read. The only thing it is really used for is signatures.
I know people who can write in cursive legibly.
Just cause you can't do it, doesn't mean others can't either.
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You guys aren’t even reading my entire post are you? Do you live in my area? Can you say if they are effective or not? No, because you don’t know. I’ve talked to about 30 people who home school there children for a lot of reasons but the main one is usually because the teachers just pass when they shouldn’t. So stop making claims when you shouldn’t.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2006-04-08 at 19:25:00
I can clearly say that yes, the American school system is poor compared to my experiences and readings.
When I was in the US for 1 month, I decided to go to school with my cousin for 1 week as an observer. I almost instantly saw the exact opposite of what I thought.
As seen in these forums and my posts, I can write better english than 75% of all Americans in here; and guess what? English isn't my first nor best language.
Collectively, the system is great, everyone learns at the slowest person's pace, which means that everyone learns the basics. The problems with this will show after though, individually, the knowledge you have over the dumbest kid in class is that you are a bit more specialized in the concepts you know, but that's it, you don't know any concept that he doesn't know.
Americans have a broad knowledge of concepts, their educational system aproach is aimed towards given a general knowledge of everything in school. That's why you take so many years of Literature, Writing, Mathematics, Science and other subjects. Most of you think that you'll never use all that stuff, and in esence it's true, you'll probably never play a musical instrument after school and you won't be analyzing books.
In a specialized educational system, you'll study a very slim field and you will be an expert in there, but that's pretty much it. You won't know much besides numbers and formulas in the case of many of us.
The problems of the American School system tend to show up many years after. Now that foreing job competition is so high, companies are starting to want expert specialists in one or more field, instead of our parents' general education needed to have a job. Take the engineering field as an example, and then take the control job provided as NASA. You will see that 1/3 of the people in there are Puerto Ricans, another 1/2 would be asian, the rest are Americans. Why is this? Well, to the Puerto Rican cause, we have a specialized University in Engineering, in which about 60% of all bachelor's degrees are those of Engineering and the University is among the top 5 in Engineering in the US. It's called Universidad de Puerto Rico - Recinto de Mayaguez, University which I will be attending, and by your third year of studies out of a total of 5, you will already have an assured job at a mayor engineering job provider. And we work for less money than your MIT graduate
No longer do CEO's, Supervisors and Managers are looking for the perfect Americanized broad general knowledge of things workplace. Now the look towards expert specialists. Take a look at Computer Engineering, it's a degree in Eletrical Engineering field which specializes only in computers. I'm sure that there are many more specialized fields.
The problem is that the American School system is outdated.
When I was in the US for 1 month, I decided to go to school with my cousin for 1 week as an observer. I almost instantly saw the exact opposite of what I thought.
As seen in these forums and my posts, I can write better english than 75% of all Americans in here; and guess what? English isn't my first nor best language.
Collectively, the system is great, everyone learns at the slowest person's pace, which means that everyone learns the basics. The problems with this will show after though, individually, the knowledge you have over the dumbest kid in class is that you are a bit more specialized in the concepts you know, but that's it, you don't know any concept that he doesn't know.
Americans have a broad knowledge of concepts, their educational system aproach is aimed towards given a general knowledge of everything in school. That's why you take so many years of Literature, Writing, Mathematics, Science and other subjects. Most of you think that you'll never use all that stuff, and in esence it's true, you'll probably never play a musical instrument after school and you won't be analyzing books.
In a specialized educational system, you'll study a very slim field and you will be an expert in there, but that's pretty much it. You won't know much besides numbers and formulas in the case of many of us.
The problems of the American School system tend to show up many years after. Now that foreing job competition is so high, companies are starting to want expert specialists in one or more field, instead of our parents' general education needed to have a job. Take the engineering field as an example, and then take the control job provided as NASA. You will see that 1/3 of the people in there are Puerto Ricans, another 1/2 would be asian, the rest are Americans. Why is this? Well, to the Puerto Rican cause, we have a specialized University in Engineering, in which about 60% of all bachelor's degrees are those of Engineering and the University is among the top 5 in Engineering in the US. It's called Universidad de Puerto Rico - Recinto de Mayaguez, University which I will be attending, and by your third year of studies out of a total of 5, you will already have an assured job at a mayor engineering job provider. And we work for less money than your MIT graduate
No longer do CEO's, Supervisors and Managers are looking for the perfect Americanized broad general knowledge of things workplace. Now the look towards expert specialists. Take a look at Computer Engineering, it's a degree in Eletrical Engineering field which specializes only in computers. I'm sure that there are many more specialized fields.
The problem is that the American School system is outdated.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-04-08 at 22:37:53
QUOTE(BeeR_KeG @ Apr 8 2006, 03:24 PM)
I can clearly say that yes, the American school system is poor compared to my experiences and readings.
When I was in the US for 1 month, I decided to go to school with my cousin for 1 week as an observer. I almost instantly saw the exact opposite of what I thought.
As seen in these forums and my posts, I can write better english than 75% of all Americans in here; and guess what? English isn't my first nor best language.
Collectively, the system is great, everyone learns at the slowest person's pace, which means that everyone learns the basics. The problems with this will show after though, individually, the knowledge you have over the dumbest kid in class is that you are a bit more specialized in the concepts you know, but that's it, you don't know any concept that he doesn't know.
Americans have a broad knowledge of concepts, their educational system aproach is aimed towards given a general knowledge of everything in school. That's why you take so many years of Literature, Writing, Mathematics, Science and other subjects. Most of you think that you'll never use all that stuff, and in esence it's true, you'll probably never play a musical instrument after school and you won't be analyzing books.
In a specialized educational system, you'll study a very slim field and you will be an expert in there, but that's pretty much it. You won't know much besides numbers and formulas in the case of many of us.
The problems of the American School system tend to show up many years after. Now that foreing job competition is so high, companies are starting to want expert specialists in one or more field, instead of our parents' general education needed to have a job. Take the engineering field as an example, and then take the control job provided as NASA. You will see that 1/3 of the people in there are Puerto Ricans, another 1/2 would be asian, the rest are Americans. Why is this? Well, to the Puerto Rican cause, we have a specialized University in Engineering, in which about 60% of all bachelor's degrees are those of Engineering and the University is among the top 5 in Engineering in the US. It's called Universidad de Puerto Rico - Recinto de Mayaguez, University which I will be attending, and by your third year of studies out of a total of 5, you will already have an assured job at a mayor engineering job provider. And we work for less money than your MIT graduate
No longer do CEO's, Supervisors and Managers are looking for the perfect Americanized broad general knowledge of things workplace. Now the look towards expert specialists. Take a look at Computer Engineering, it's a degree in Eletrical Engineering field which specializes only in computers. I'm sure that there are many more specialized fields.
The problem is that the American School system is outdated.
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When I was in the US for 1 month, I decided to go to school with my cousin for 1 week as an observer. I almost instantly saw the exact opposite of what I thought.
As seen in these forums and my posts, I can write better english than 75% of all Americans in here; and guess what? English isn't my first nor best language.
Collectively, the system is great, everyone learns at the slowest person's pace, which means that everyone learns the basics. The problems with this will show after though, individually, the knowledge you have over the dumbest kid in class is that you are a bit more specialized in the concepts you know, but that's it, you don't know any concept that he doesn't know.
Americans have a broad knowledge of concepts, their educational system aproach is aimed towards given a general knowledge of everything in school. That's why you take so many years of Literature, Writing, Mathematics, Science and other subjects. Most of you think that you'll never use all that stuff, and in esence it's true, you'll probably never play a musical instrument after school and you won't be analyzing books.
In a specialized educational system, you'll study a very slim field and you will be an expert in there, but that's pretty much it. You won't know much besides numbers and formulas in the case of many of us.
The problems of the American School system tend to show up many years after. Now that foreing job competition is so high, companies are starting to want expert specialists in one or more field, instead of our parents' general education needed to have a job. Take the engineering field as an example, and then take the control job provided as NASA. You will see that 1/3 of the people in there are Puerto Ricans, another 1/2 would be asian, the rest are Americans. Why is this? Well, to the Puerto Rican cause, we have a specialized University in Engineering, in which about 60% of all bachelor's degrees are those of Engineering and the University is among the top 5 in Engineering in the US. It's called Universidad de Puerto Rico - Recinto de Mayaguez, University which I will be attending, and by your third year of studies out of a total of 5, you will already have an assured job at a mayor engineering job provider. And we work for less money than your MIT graduate
No longer do CEO's, Supervisors and Managers are looking for the perfect Americanized broad general knowledge of things workplace. Now the look towards expert specialists. Take a look at Computer Engineering, it's a degree in Eletrical Engineering field which specializes only in computers. I'm sure that there are many more specialized fields.
The problem is that the American School system is outdated.
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Wait so how is it outdated? Is it that we don't provide early job teachings early in life? Im confused.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-04-09 at 01:58:33
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This is just an example of weeding out the weak. The point of education is to make people more knowledgeable and smarter and help society. I have tons of people in my class that don't want to learn, but they won't hurt society in the end.
If you will explain to me how you can effectively teach people who do not wish to learn anything while silmultaneously keeping advanced students in the same class at their full potential, tell me.
QUOTE(n2o-SiMpSoNs @ Apr 8 2006, 07:41 AM)
What about all the good things that come from intelligence from the "American" school system.
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What's good that isn't imported these days? America is going down the drain. I order a computer, where is it made? Taiwan. Where do the best cars come from? Depending on opinion, Japan or Germany.
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America seperates the classes a bit in k-12, mainly in honors/regular classes, but it's not enough, in my opinion. Seperate them into a few more categories. Even in my honors class, if all of the students understood everything as fast as I did (not a boast) we would be going twice as fast and we wouldn't be behind a few months in some classes (mainly Social Studies/History, our teacher was on Jury Duty for 1 month and we are one month behind, and he's slow anyway), and moving on would be much easier.
I can tolerate the pace of my AP classes, although they could be faster. The biggest problem is the lack of areas where AP advancement is available. An Honors/AP English class isn't available in my high school until 11th grade (junior year). Foreign language isn't AP until year 5. Also, the addition of "remedial" classes for the people who don't want to learn would help greatly to speed up the education of the average student as well as the smarter ones.
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Collectively, the system is great, everyone learns at the slowest person's pace, which means that everyone learns the basics.
I'd hardly call that outdated, just bad. If the slow student takes 12 years to learn something, the average one takes 4, and the bright one takes one, everyone spends 12 years on the material. Sickening.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-04-09 at 12:18:02
QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Apr 8 2006, 09:58 PM)
If you will explain to me how you can effectively teach people who do not wish to learn anything while silmultaneously keeping advanced students in the same class at their full potential, tell me.
What's good that isn't imported these days? America is going down the drain. I order a computer, where is it made? Taiwan. Where do the best cars come from? Depending on opinion, Japan or Germany.
I can tolerate the pace of my AP classes, although they could be faster. The biggest problem is the lack of areas where AP advancement is available. An Honors/AP English class isn't available in my high school until 11th grade (junior year). Foreign language isn't AP until year 5. Also, the addition of "remedial" classes for the people who don't want to learn would help greatly to speed up the education of the average student as well as the smarter ones.
I'd hardly call that outdated, just bad. If the slow student takes 12 years to learn something, the average one takes 4, and the bright one takes one, everyone spends 12 years on the material. Sickening.
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What's good that isn't imported these days? America is going down the drain. I order a computer, where is it made? Taiwan. Where do the best cars come from? Depending on opinion, Japan or Germany.
I can tolerate the pace of my AP classes, although they could be faster. The biggest problem is the lack of areas where AP advancement is available. An Honors/AP English class isn't available in my high school until 11th grade (junior year). Foreign language isn't AP until year 5. Also, the addition of "remedial" classes for the people who don't want to learn would help greatly to speed up the education of the average student as well as the smarter ones.
I'd hardly call that outdated, just bad. If the slow student takes 12 years to learn something, the average one takes 4, and the bright one takes one, everyone spends 12 years on the material. Sickening.
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Wouldn't that just be leading to a greater gap between the smart and the dumb? Usually smart people go to college, get good jobs, and earn a pretty good income while the dumb do not. Which then leads to an even greater gap between the poor and the rich. This happened just before the great depression.....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-04-09 at 14:17:14
I would rather have 80 smart people and a huge gap and 20 dumb people than 100 fairly dumb people.
If you continue to cut away dumb people, the lifestyles will change and people will be afraid to fail school. If there are real consequences for not trying to learn, then more people will try.
If you continue to cut away dumb people, the lifestyles will change and people will be afraid to fail school. If there are real consequences for not trying to learn, then more people will try.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-04-09 at 14:24:54
QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Apr 9 2006, 09:16 PM)
If you continue to cut away dumb people, the lifestyles will change and people will be afraid to fail school. If there are real consequences for not trying to learn, then more people will try.
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that's true.
in the old days the consequences were working hard work all your life. now nothing in countries with good social protection.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-04-09 at 14:27:26
Hell, half the time the delinquents get landed in prison for a few decades where they get much better treatment than homeless people on the streets.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-04-09 at 16:52:45
What if a person who actually tries, but just isn't as smart as other people get "cut". I thought this land was equal oppertunity?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-04-09 at 20:39:07
Here's a little something for you guys to read. Maybe this is why millions of kids hate learning. It hit the head on the nail for me.
http://www.totse.com/en/ego/self_improveme...ebel191262.html
http://www.totse.com/en/ego/self_improveme...ebel191262.html
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-04-09 at 22:42:22
So Euro's plan is to not teach at all. Now every one is dumb so now we are all equal, great plan I like it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-04-09 at 22:56:02
QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Apr 9 2006, 07:42 PM)
So Euro's plan is to not teach at all. Now every one is dumb so now we are all equal, great plan I like it.
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Do you go to school? because you might as well follow Euro's plan, because your school isnt helping you at all.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-04-09 at 23:46:24
Report, edit, etc...Posted by UN-Rommel on 2006-04-10 at 00:50:06
For germany, education is good. I don't know about america 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-04-10 at 00:51:53
QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Apr 9 2006, 01:52 PM)
What if a person who actually tries, but just isn't as smart as other people get "cut". I thought this land was equal oppertunity?
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Do you have any idea how few people that is? Anyone who truly tries can be recognized by their teachers and not be hit by the cut.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-04-10 at 01:42:30
QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Apr 9 2006, 08:51 PM)
Do you have any idea how few people that is? Anyone who truly tries can be recognized by their teachers and not be hit by the cut.
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You don't know that for sure. But in schools here you are not based on effort. You are based on your grades.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-04-10 at 01:57:54
QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Apr 10 2006, 12:42 AM)
You don't know that for sure. But in schools here you are not based on effort. You are based on your grades.
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I'm sorry, are you admitting that the school doesn't care whether or not you are challenged or even interested in the subject material?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-04-10 at 02:28:51
QUOTE(Demaris @ Apr 9 2006, 09:57 PM)
I'm sorry, are you admitting that the school doesn't care whether or not you are challenged or even interested in the subject material?
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I am saying that you won't get a better grade on a test just becuase you studied harder then the next guy.
Translation.
Guy A gets, lets say, a 95/100 becuase hes naturally smart and does not have to study much.
Guy B studies very hard but gets a 77/100 just for what ever reason.
Teachers won't give you a better grade jsut because you put more effort into your work then the next guy. It really jsut matters on the grade they can give you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2006-04-10 at 02:35:54
I just think they should let people skip classes that they already understand. I probably would more than half through college by now if I could skip things I already understood. (I can safely say that I know more about the ideas found in chemistry than my teacher does)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-04-10 at 14:51:13
There is no perfect education system, there never will be in this goddamn country. No wait, make that the world...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-04-10 at 14:52:30
I agree with Rantent. I won't say I know more chemistry or anything then the teacher, but during this whole year I have learned only one thing in math class. In those 45-90 minutes per day, I could have done much more productive things (speaking theoretically; most of the time I would be too lazy ).
It just goes to show you how life is unfair, doesn't it? Some people are naturally gifted, others aren't. The gifted ones can help mankind or save the rainforest or whatever else you want; Guy B wasn't lucky and can't do a thing. Slowing down the gifted ones to to teach those who won't get as much as the gifted ones out of it anyway seems dumb, doesn't it?
).QUOTE(Teh Dad)
I am saying that you won't get a better grade on a test just becuase you studied harder then the next guy.
Translation.
Guy A gets, lets say, a 95/100 becuase hes naturally smart and does not have to study much.
Guy B studies very hard but gets a 77/100 just for what ever reason.
Teachers won't give you a better grade jsut because you put more effort into your work then the next guy. It really jsut matters on the grade they can give you.
Translation.
Guy A gets, lets say, a 95/100 becuase hes naturally smart and does not have to study much.
Guy B studies very hard but gets a 77/100 just for what ever reason.
Teachers won't give you a better grade jsut because you put more effort into your work then the next guy. It really jsut matters on the grade they can give you.
It just goes to show you how life is unfair, doesn't it? Some people are naturally gifted, others aren't. The gifted ones can help mankind or save the rainforest or whatever else you want; Guy B wasn't lucky and can't do a thing. Slowing down the gifted ones to to teach those who won't get as much as the gifted ones out of it anyway seems dumb, doesn't it?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2006-04-10 at 15:18:36
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Literacy (2003)
• Men 97%
• Women 97 %
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States...erica#Education
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_United_States