Report, edit, etc...Posted by Joker47 on 2006-09-06 at 19:50:57
QUOTE(DoomStrike @ Sep 6 2006, 04:39 PM)
Ok lemme get this straight. So legacy was the creator of all OSMAP's? And he just told us and no one knew?
And just decided to tell us now. Wow.
Alot has been taken in today.
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And just decided to tell us now. Wow.
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It would be a lie to say that only one person knew.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2006-09-06 at 19:57:23
QUOTE(Tuxedo Templar @ Sep 6 2006, 06:32 PM)
Millenium, I don't know about demodding him outright either, but frankly I think he should have known something like that might happen
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Let me quote:
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(8:42:09 PM) cheeZe477: lol moose is going to kill you
(8:42:14 PM) L3g4cyW34p0n: Haha I know
(8:42:30 PM) L3g4cyW34p0n: I don't care anymore
(8:42:14 PM) L3g4cyW34p0n: Haha I know
(8:42:30 PM) L3g4cyW34p0n: I don't care anymore
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So devilesk gets banned for spreading OSMAP but when Legacy does it its all ok.
You're all hypocrites.
You're all hypocrites.
In all of its technicalities, Legacy didn't do anything wrong on the site. SEN does not support OSMAP nor unprotection but that doesn't mean individuals can't.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-09-06 at 20:00:05
QUOTE(Tuxedo Templar @ Sep 6 2006, 06:32 PM)
Devilesk got banned for being an outright arsehole.
I'm sure.
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LegacyWeapon got punished because he betrayed some measure of our trust.
And he did that by single handedly (Or maybe it was a duet but my way sounds better) crushed everything SEN stands for. Had Legacy not been a global mod he'd be banned and forgotten. However since SEN is so nice and biased he gets to stay, or as you later put it: Because SEN is so crippled that it can't even survive to hand out actual punishments to those who deserve it. This isn't a discussion of "Maybe we should change the rules" why the hell should you change EVERYTHING SEN is about because your buddy decided to screw everyone over. SEN has been against unprotection for years ever since it started. It has a database where you get warned if you give credit to yourself or anyone who was not the author (On purpose) you guys are such hypocrits. You like Legacy so in trade for your dignity you protect him while devilesk gets to rot because everyone hates him.
Explain to me otherwise why everyone is suddenly protecting unprotection all of a sudden.
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*sigh* I'd be willing to forget the issue personally if he did something to help rectify his actions, though. Maybe not explicitely a re-protector, since that's a little too late for many existing maps already out there. I don't know what exactly... maybe along the lines of helping establish a better DB to associate authors rightfully with their maps or something.
Thank you for proving my point of you all being biased and letting yourself give into to something that you've been against for years. You may have been fine with unprotection before hand by I sure as hell know that everyone who had power to enforce and change rules has been against it till right now. There are no internet community service hours, perhaps devilesk me and all the jerks and spammers that ever went to SEN can open a day care, and then we can roam the streets again right?
Or maybe Hitler should have banged 1000 jewish woman and it'd be alright, I don't actual believe that but you know me, and please don't try that whole "LOL THIS ISN'T GENOCIDE" thing, I know, I'm kidding.
I had some more proof but it's taking too long to find.
As for Mooses' "HE CAME FORWARD LOL" so if let's say, me, or devilesk, or everyone who knew was like "Hey dude Legacy is totalling roflpwning your views" you'd just believe us right and promptly ban him right?
No.
You'd ask him he'd "come through" and we'd be in the same situation. My posts are not to say OSMAP is either good or bad just that you guys should really think about the message you send when Legacy gets away with something that all otehr normal members would be banned for.
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In all of its technicalities, Legacy didn't do anything wrong on the site. SEN does not support OSMAP nor unprotection but that doesn't mean individuals can't.
Are you going to tell me with a straight face that Legacy was completely unaware of SEN being the biggest mapping community of starcraft and truthly thought it wouldn't affect SEN as a whole?
Where do you come up with this stuff?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tuxedo Templar on 2006-09-06 at 20:01:35
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Sep 6 2006, 06:57 PM)
Let me quote:
In all of its technicalities, Legacy didn't do anything wrong on the site. SEN does not support OSMAP nor unprotection but that doesn't mean individuals can't.
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In all of its technicalities, Legacy didn't do anything wrong on the site. SEN does not support OSMAP nor unprotection but that doesn't mean individuals can't.
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Don't care who supports OSMAP or unprotection or whatever. Making unprotection/OSMAP is a different matter, though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Infested-Jerk on 2006-09-06 at 20:03:24
I understand that maps take a ton of work. Tuxedo doesn't churn out maps every couple of days, they take massive amounts of time and energy. To me the work in putting in the time to achieve excellence deserves to reward the maker of the map.
OSMAP can enable people to take that away from the person who made the map. OSMAP in itself is not evil. The people who use it decide what it is used for (peeking at maps or changing them). I agree that LW made a rash descion. But hey, back to lurking.
And I wish WarHammer40000 was here. His opinion would be so absurd I'd have to laugh.
OSMAP can enable people to take that away from the person who made the map. OSMAP in itself is not evil. The people who use it decide what it is used for (peeking at maps or changing them). I agree that LW made a rash descion. But hey, back to lurking.
And I wish WarHammer40000 was here. His opinion would be so absurd I'd have to laugh.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tuxedo Templar on 2006-09-06 at 20:07:56
QUOTE(Golden-Fist @ Sep 6 2006, 06:59 PM)
I'm sure.
And he did that by single handedly (Or maybe it was a duet but my way sounds better) crushed everything SEN stands for. Had Legacy not been a global mod he'd be banned and forgotten. However since SEN is so nice and biased he gets to stay, or as you later put it: Because SEN is so crippled that it can't even survive to hand out actual punishments to those who deserve it. This isn't a discussion of "Maybe we should change the rules" why the hell should you change EVERYTHING SEN is about because your buddy decided to screw everyone over. SEN has been against unprotection for years ever since it started. It has a database where you get warned if you give credit to yourself or anyone who was not the author (On purpose) you guys are such hypocrits. You like Legacy so in trade for your dignity you protect him while devilesk gets to rot because everyone hates him.
Explain to me otherwise why everyone is suddenly protecting unprotection all of a sudden.
Thank you for proving my point of you all being biased and letting yourself give into to something that you've been against for years. You may have been fine with unprotection before hand by I sure as hell know that everyone who had power to enforce and change rules has been against it till right now. There are no internet community service hours, perhaps devilesk me and all the jerks and spammers that ever went to SEN can open a day care, and then we can roam the streets again right?
Or maybe Hitler should have banged 1000 jewish woman and it'd be alright, I don't actual believe that but you know me, and please don't try that whole "LOL THIS ISN'T GENOCIDE" thing, I know, I'm kidding.
I had some more proof but it's taking too long to find.
As for Mooses' "HE CAME FORWARD LOL" so if let's say, me, or devilesk, or everyone who knew was like "Hey dude Legacy is totalling roflpwning your views" you'd just believe us right and promptly ban him right?
No.
You'd ask him he'd "come through" and we'd be in the same situation. My posts are not to say OSMAP is either good or bad just that you guys should really think about the message you send when Legacy gets away with something that all otehr normal members would be banned for.
Are you going to tell me with a straight face that Legacy was completely unaware of SEN being the biggest mapping community of starcraft and truthly thought it wouldn't affect SEN as a whole?
Where do you come up with this stuff?
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And he did that by single handedly (Or maybe it was a duet but my way sounds better) crushed everything SEN stands for. Had Legacy not been a global mod he'd be banned and forgotten. However since SEN is so nice and biased he gets to stay, or as you later put it: Because SEN is so crippled that it can't even survive to hand out actual punishments to those who deserve it. This isn't a discussion of "Maybe we should change the rules" why the hell should you change EVERYTHING SEN is about because your buddy decided to screw everyone over. SEN has been against unprotection for years ever since it started. It has a database where you get warned if you give credit to yourself or anyone who was not the author (On purpose) you guys are such hypocrits. You like Legacy so in trade for your dignity you protect him while devilesk gets to rot because everyone hates him.
Explain to me otherwise why everyone is suddenly protecting unprotection all of a sudden.
Thank you for proving my point of you all being biased and letting yourself give into to something that you've been against for years. You may have been fine with unprotection before hand by I sure as hell know that everyone who had power to enforce and change rules has been against it till right now. There are no internet community service hours, perhaps devilesk me and all the jerks and spammers that ever went to SEN can open a day care, and then we can roam the streets again right?
Or maybe Hitler should have banged 1000 jewish woman and it'd be alright, I don't actual believe that but you know me, and please don't try that whole "LOL THIS ISN'T GENOCIDE" thing, I know, I'm kidding.
I had some more proof but it's taking too long to find.
As for Mooses' "HE CAME FORWARD LOL" so if let's say, me, or devilesk, or everyone who knew was like "Hey dude Legacy is totalling roflpwning your views" you'd just believe us right and promptly ban him right?
No.
You'd ask him he'd "come through" and we'd be in the same situation. My posts are not to say OSMAP is either good or bad just that you guys should really think about the message you send when Legacy gets away with something that all otehr normal members would be banned for.
Are you going to tell me with a straight face that Legacy was completely unaware of SEN being the biggest mapping community of starcraft and truthly thought it wouldn't affect SEN as a whole?
Where do you come up with this stuff?
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EDIT- Golden-Fist, he didn't break SEN rules specifically. That I imagine would be bannable. He did however hurt the community in general, which isn't something I'd think a moderator should do.
By the way, I'm not giving into unprotection at all. I'm acknowledging there's nothing we can do about it now, except move on and try to help keep creations secure in another way. Another protector would stand to just be unprotected again, so I don't think that's a good long term solution. A DB enhancement or something would be a better one, and of course for that, we need to keep this site intact. Therefore, it would help for the rest of you to stop pissing on the last spit of what's left keeping the UMS community alive thank you very much. You're not helping make it any better: You're just being immature and justifying your reason to cop out.
That is of course, unless you think you can do a better UMS site. More power to you, in that case.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cnl.Fatso on 2006-09-06 at 20:14:24
And I maintain my neutrality on this matter.
Now, the idea of a new-improved DB sounds excellent.
Now, the idea of a new-improved DB sounds excellent.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-09-06 at 20:18:35
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Golden-Fist, he didn't break SEN rules specifically. That I imagine would be bannable. He did however hurt the community in general, which isn't something I'd think a moderator should do.
Golden-Fist isnt a modorator..hes a Golbal Moderator O.o.... -1 smart points? For me duh xD
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In all of its technicalities, Legacy didn't do anything wrong on the site. SEN does not support OSMAP nor unprotection but that doesn't mean individuals can't.
In all "technicalities" the SeN staff is going from smart to stupid.
My respect point for SeN Mods -4.
Why are you all of a sudden all taking LW's side? The heck is wrong with you all, and I'm not talking about Cheeze in general. Moose if that was Yoshi modding LW would have been banned. End of story. MA is proving to be as smart as Cheeze, heaven knows why? Last time I checked we're not soposed to be protecting the "unprotector" when did this change? And where the hell was I?
This is disappointing. Btw it doesnt matter if I'm warned for this, I'm just speaking the truth.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-09-06 at 20:22:53
QUOTE(Tuxedo Templar @ Sep 6 2006, 07:07 PM)
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I'm pretty sure a constipated retarded elephant that needs a trainer to help the crap come out it's ass has more morales then SEN does right now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tuxedo Templar on 2006-09-06 at 20:25:16
QUOTE(Golden-Fist @ Sep 6 2006, 07:22 PM)
I'm pretty sure a constipated retarded elephant that needs a trainer to help the crap come out it's ass has more morales then SEN does right now.
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lol. I can't speak for the rest of SEN about that, but at least I try to have some.
Maybe if Blizzard were to finally give a rip about SC for a change then it'd be more worthwhile to bother trying. Which I think they're finally doing, if my instinct serves me correctly.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cnl.Fatso on 2006-09-06 at 20:28:17
Yes, but I don't believe they bothered to invite us. Instead they went with SCLegacy.
Then again, what the hell do we know about playing StarCraft? We're just the guys who make it possible for them to play.
Then again, what the hell do we know about playing StarCraft? We're just the guys who make it possible for them to play.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by xmrxsiegecopx on 2006-09-06 at 20:31:23
QUOTE(Cloud @ Sep 6 2006, 05:18 PM)
Moose if that was Yoshi modding LW would have been banned. End of story.
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QUOTE(Yoshi da Sniper @ Sep 5 2006, 06:36 PM)
Now I know you all are going to jump on this and go OMFG LOL MAP UNPROTECTION IS BAD.
I'm very different from 2 years ago when I said protection was a good thing. I said it was a good thing because it protects the authors name and prevents people from making cruddy rigged versions.
I look back at that now and say I was in error. Maps should have never been "protected", and theres many good reasons why.
First of all, for making new versions, its going to happen, sure, but everybody these days has DSL, so who cares if you redownload. Although people can replace your name with their name, its possible with a hex editor and string search, protection or no protection. So protection doesn't do very good there.
So, why are people protecting their maps? They're protecting it for bragging rights mainly, which is complete abuse of what it was originally intended for and is no longer necessary for. Thats completely wrong.
As for "retaining fame on battle.net", most of them are interested in playing strip some girl or rigged games. Who honestly cares about regular battle.net users.
The individuals who will use this kind of thing legitimately are the people in the starcraft community. Isn't it so much more fun if you show off your map to your friends on SEN and after the game they check it out and compliment and suggest things on your triggers? Wouldn't it be nice to open one of mooses maps and get a feel for his style and how he does certain things? It would be. I originally made SEN under the "everybody can learn map making" kind of thinking.
This is the final step that SEN must take in becoming a selfless community of one whole instead of a disorganized group of map posters. This can make this community stronger and closer together if everyone shares and acts as equals.
My question to you all, is who's got the balls to to step forward and support this? I do.
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I'm very different from 2 years ago when I said protection was a good thing. I said it was a good thing because it protects the authors name and prevents people from making cruddy rigged versions.
I look back at that now and say I was in error. Maps should have never been "protected", and theres many good reasons why.
First of all, for making new versions, its going to happen, sure, but everybody these days has DSL, so who cares if you redownload. Although people can replace your name with their name, its possible with a hex editor and string search, protection or no protection. So protection doesn't do very good there.
So, why are people protecting their maps? They're protecting it for bragging rights mainly, which is complete abuse of what it was originally intended for and is no longer necessary for. Thats completely wrong.
As for "retaining fame on battle.net", most of them are interested in playing strip some girl or rigged games. Who honestly cares about regular battle.net users.
The individuals who will use this kind of thing legitimately are the people in the starcraft community. Isn't it so much more fun if you show off your map to your friends on SEN and after the game they check it out and compliment and suggest things on your triggers? Wouldn't it be nice to open one of mooses maps and get a feel for his style and how he does certain things? It would be. I originally made SEN under the "everybody can learn map making" kind of thinking.
This is the final step that SEN must take in becoming a selfless community of one whole instead of a disorganized group of map posters. This can make this community stronger and closer together if everyone shares and acts as equals.
My question to you all, is who's got the balls to to step forward and support this? I do.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Laser_Dude on 2006-09-06 at 20:46:27
Well, as punishment/fix-the-problem we could force him to remove the program from all the sites he's uploaded it to. Then the only way for people to get it would be to find other people who had it. That would "cut the diseases source off" Of course, it'd still be around, but one helluva lot harder to find.
Although I don't agree with OSMAP, I never liked the idea of protection. It doesn't allow viewers like you to view what an amazing mapper did. If the idea that Uberation(don't wanna get it right) gets rid of all the strings used for organization, It'd screw up the map. I don't like the idea of protection, so I just hide my name in the funniest little places that noone could ever guess, do something like put a trigger that makes the mission objectives say your name, but put it in every trigger that's bound to tick him off a little, unless he's using SCMDraft.
Although I don't agree with OSMAP, I never liked the idea of protection. It doesn't allow viewers like you to view what an amazing mapper did. If the idea that Uberation(don't wanna get it right) gets rid of all the strings used for organization, It'd screw up the map. I don't like the idea of protection, so I just hide my name in the funniest little places that noone could ever guess, do something like put a trigger that makes the mission objectives say your name, but put it in every trigger that's bound to tick him off a little, unless he's using SCMDraft.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dumbducky on 2006-09-06 at 20:48:32
We can't force him to do that. We have no control over LW.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-09-06 at 20:52:34
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Now I know you all are going to jump on this and go OMFG LOL MAP UNPROTECTION IS BAD.
I'm very different from 2 years ago when I said protection was a good thing. I said it was a good thing because it protects the authors name and prevents people from making cruddy rigged versions.
I look back at that now and say I was in error. Maps should have never been "protected", and theres many good reasons why.
First of all, for making new versions, its going to happen, sure, but everybody these days has DSL, so who cares if you redownload. Although people can replace your name with their name, its possible with a hex editor and string search, protection or no protection. So protection doesn't do very good there.
So, why are people protecting their maps? They're protecting it for bragging rights mainly, which is complete abuse of what it was originally intended for and is no longer necessary for. Thats completely wrong.
As for "retaining fame on battle.net", most of them are interested in playing strip some girl or rigged games. Who honestly cares about regular battle.net users.
The individuals who will use this kind of thing legitimately are the people in the starcraft community. Isn't it so much more fun if you show off your map to your friends on SEN and after the game they check it out and compliment and suggest things on your triggers? Wouldn't it be nice to open one of mooses maps and get a feel for his style and how he does certain things? It would be. I originally made SEN under the "everybody can learn map making" kind of thinking.
This is the final step that SEN must take in becoming a selfless community of one whole instead of a disorganized group of map posters. This can make this community stronger and closer together if everyone shares and acts as equals.
My question to you all, is who's got the balls to to step forward and support this? I do.
I'm very different from 2 years ago when I said protection was a good thing. I said it was a good thing because it protects the authors name and prevents people from making cruddy rigged versions.
I look back at that now and say I was in error. Maps should have never been "protected", and theres many good reasons why.
First of all, for making new versions, its going to happen, sure, but everybody these days has DSL, so who cares if you redownload. Although people can replace your name with their name, its possible with a hex editor and string search, protection or no protection. So protection doesn't do very good there.
So, why are people protecting their maps? They're protecting it for bragging rights mainly, which is complete abuse of what it was originally intended for and is no longer necessary for. Thats completely wrong.
As for "retaining fame on battle.net", most of them are interested in playing strip some girl or rigged games. Who honestly cares about regular battle.net users.
The individuals who will use this kind of thing legitimately are the people in the starcraft community. Isn't it so much more fun if you show off your map to your friends on SEN and after the game they check it out and compliment and suggest things on your triggers? Wouldn't it be nice to open one of mooses maps and get a feel for his style and how he does certain things? It would be. I originally made SEN under the "everybody can learn map making" kind of thinking.
This is the final step that SEN must take in becoming a selfless community of one whole instead of a disorganized group of map posters. This can make this community stronger and closer together if everyone shares and acts as equals.
My question to you all, is who's got the balls to to step forward and support this? I do.
See the bold GoldenKnight, read it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Laser_Dude on 2006-09-06 at 20:52:47
lol, I was making a suggestion, for if he realized the extent of his program.
Ugh, this thread is waaay too busy, I can't even make a proper reply in time.
Ugh, this thread is waaay too busy, I can't even make a proper reply in time.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by xmrxsiegecopx on 2006-09-06 at 20:54:27
Two years ago means 2004, and Yoshi left in 2005.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-09-06 at 21:03:48
I honestly don't think there is any use for OSMAP other than map stealing. If you want to see the triggers, there is Trigger viewer 2... =\
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Xx.Doom.xX on 2006-09-06 at 21:20:41
Jeez, we lose Gmods by the second. First Beer_KeG (not his fault) now legacy...wow.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by xmrxsiegecopx on 2006-09-06 at 21:22:46
QUOTE(Deathawk @ Sep 6 2006, 06:03 PM)
I honestly don't think there is any use for OSMAP other than map stealing. If you want to see the triggers, there is Trigger viewer 2... =\
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Even Trigger Viewer 2 can't view the triggers for all the maps, plus, it's incredibly inconvenient and buggy.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-09-06 at 21:51:51
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Yoshi modding LW would have been banned.
Your assumptions are wrong. I have talked to Yoshi on this matter and if he was admin, LW would recieve no punishment because his actions broke no rules here at SEN.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SiLeNT(U) on 2006-09-06 at 22:19:22
I have nothing against Legacy but I applaud Moose's actions in this matter. He demonstrated that you will be punished regardless of your position or status.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lord_Agamemnon(MM) on 2006-09-06 at 22:26:17
QUOTE(SiLeNT(U) @ Sep 6 2006, 09:18 PM)
I have nothing against Legacy but I applaud Moose's actions in this matter. He demonstrated that you will be punished regardless of your position or status.
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I agree. You break the rules, so you get punished. We're technically a dictatorship, but we've got an impartial ruler.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by destroyer1 on 2006-09-06 at 22:27:49
Wow you guys are taking this to seriously....First of all theres a well publicized hacking site for SC that has OSMAP right there, so its to late to stop its release or do anything, I have also tried out OSMAP and to tell you the truth it seems Legacy Weapon made this in a hurry becuase OSMAP screws up the map when you unprotect it, I mean sure you can open it but some things wont be there no more, and maps were never really protected since their are secret programs out there who did this before OSMAP, and does anyone really steal maps these days? Ive been in SC for a while now and if u tell ppl that you made the map they will only respond "who gives a freak just freaking start the game sheesh'' Map making is not the same as it was before. Heck I see less maps coming out because players are qutting sc. And if your worried your maps gonna be taken then most likely it will because it makes you sound like an irritating person who will probably force someone to open your map and slap his name on which again who gives a $hit? Life goes on...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-09-06 at 22:28:04
I grew a little tired of reading petty arguments by about page 3, but I tried to read the whole topic and I'll speak my mind.
It's called hiring more if stress shows
As long as someone with the time and programming genius of LegacyWeapon is around, the creation of protectors is a bit of a waste of time. Protection is a paradox: you have to prevent the map from being opened in an editor, yet you cannot stop Starcraft from reading it or you've defeated the purpose. The only real solution that might last is to develop a new editor with far more power and usefulness and unique features that recognizes map protection (has integrated protection such that special code in the editor will reject protected maps regardless of their readability).
It seems to be the raging argument that either LW should have been left unscathed or he should have been banned. It seems Moose holds my thoughts on unprotection and the intellectual rights of mappers. Don't get me wrong, I support the concept of an open source. However, I believe it is the right of the creator to withold his map from others. It is therefore still official SEN policy that we do not support unprotection.
LegacyWeapon did not directly violate any rule of SEN, as many debators have ceaselessly pointed out. As such, no direct action of punishment was taken. He was neither warned, suspended, fined, nor banned. Nonetheless, he violated the true spirit of SEN and mapmaking and also carried himself extremely unprofessionally with his handling of the release of OSMAP and its creation. It is by these ethics violations that he is deemed unfit to be senior staff at this site.
It does seem that way, doesn't it? And I'm scheduled to be hit by a truck (long story, all a joke though)
In conclusion, I fully support all of Moose's actions for the above reasons and also agree that he went neither too far nor not far enough.
QUOTE(Cloud @ Sep 6 2006, 01:18 PM)
Doesn't this leave us kinda short of GM's? I mean Captain Will is a good guy but because of his own reasons cant be THAT active? And I don't think DT could handle it on his own with just Moose and sometimes IP as support o.O...
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It's called hiring more if stress shows
QUOTE(Cloud @ Sep 6 2006, 01:38 PM)
Maybe they could make a new protection program to make OSMAP useless as well, it could work..?
And why use a gun when its out of ammo when you can use a sharp pointy knife that doesnt rely on ammo?
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And why use a gun when its out of ammo when you can use a sharp pointy knife that doesnt rely on ammo?
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As long as someone with the time and programming genius of LegacyWeapon is around, the creation of protectors is a bit of a waste of time. Protection is a paradox: you have to prevent the map from being opened in an editor, yet you cannot stop Starcraft from reading it or you've defeated the purpose. The only real solution that might last is to develop a new editor with far more power and usefulness and unique features that recognizes map protection (has integrated protection such that special code in the editor will reject protected maps regardless of their readability).
QUOTE(Kashmir @ Sep 6 2006, 02:17 PM)
Why would he face a ban moose.I explicitly remember rules where if you do something over bnet/net it was your right, so long as you did not do it on SEN. I remember no release of OSMAP on sen. That is going too far with your admin rights, no matter what some of these nutcases think. BTW the person who said we are punishing for confesions is 100% right. Plus he has all the right in the world to release a program that undo's his other program. Unless one of you people payed for uberation/proedit I don't want to hear a peep from you.
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QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Sep 6 2006, 02:30 PM)
Um what the hell?
Demoting LegacyWeapon here on SEN wasn't necessary. All he did was make the program away from SEN, not once did he do something reprehensible here on SEN. People can do whatever the hell they want away from SEN. You're only hurting SEN by doing irresponsible things like firing one of our best moderators whose contributed vastly to this site and I'll be damned to see this site slowly decay because of such unjustified actions. I have already lost much respect for many of you people.
Now as far as dealing with OSMAP and map unprotection in general, I hold no opinion as of the moment.
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Demoting LegacyWeapon here on SEN wasn't necessary. All he did was make the program away from SEN, not once did he do something reprehensible here on SEN. People can do whatever the hell they want away from SEN. You're only hurting SEN by doing irresponsible things like firing one of our best moderators whose contributed vastly to this site and I'll be damned to see this site slowly decay because of such unjustified actions. I have already lost much respect for many of you people.
Now as far as dealing with OSMAP and map unprotection in general, I hold no opinion as of the moment.
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It seems to be the raging argument that either LW should have been left unscathed or he should have been banned. It seems Moose holds my thoughts on unprotection and the intellectual rights of mappers. Don't get me wrong, I support the concept of an open source. However, I believe it is the right of the creator to withold his map from others. It is therefore still official SEN policy that we do not support unprotection.
LegacyWeapon did not directly violate any rule of SEN, as many debators have ceaselessly pointed out. As such, no direct action of punishment was taken. He was neither warned, suspended, fined, nor banned. Nonetheless, he violated the true spirit of SEN and mapmaking and also carried himself extremely unprofessionally with his handling of the release of OSMAP and its creation. It is by these ethics violations that he is deemed unfit to be senior staff at this site.
QUOTE(DoomStrike @ Sep 6 2006, 06:20 PM)
Jeez, we lose Gmods by the second. First Beer_KeG (not his fault) now legacy...wow.
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It does seem that way, doesn't it? And I'm scheduled to be hit by a truck (long story, all a joke though)
In conclusion, I fully support all of Moose's actions for the above reasons and also agree that he went neither too far nor not far enough.