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Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2006-10-13 at 12:12:45
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If that statement in any way insinuates I don't know history you'd be wrong. I know about all that stuff, it's just that it's not definitively Imperialism, it's forcing other people to play with us.


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Imperialism isn't just colonization it's also about influencing other countries to help the Imperialist nation.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2006-10-13 at 16:35:08
I thought the Syrian government was friendly towards America, just not towards Israel. India only hates Pakistan, so nothing new there. However, both Pakistan and India are friendly towards the United States. I mean, the Pakistani president was just on the Daily Show a few weeks ago, and American countries have vastly improved the average Indian lifestyle due to outsourcing jobs to there, so if there were a world war, I don't know what sides they would pick. I'm guessing one of them would be part of the Allies, and one would be neutral. I still honestly don't think there will ever be another world war like we think of it. At most it will be a handful of countries against a handful of countries. Huge alliances won't exist. What you see now is the East very gradually turning to the West in their cultures and ways of thinking. Just look at Japan, S. Korea, and even China. The more developed they become, the less bloodthirsty they are. If the Korean War were to begin today, I doubt China would aid the North in their struggle for independence from the South. You people need to stop buying into the propaganda that the media feeds you and decide what you want for the world.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ColdFusion on 2006-10-13 at 17:02:42
Japan? Japan has no army, the United States controls Japan and is Japan's military.

Also, you can remove Germany from any axis or allies list. The new constitution says they will only use military force if invaded or if there's something that threatens to invade Germany.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2006-10-13 at 17:13:06
As far as I know, China was never bloodthirsty to begin with. Also, if the South did invade North Korea, China MIGHT intervene, if the North is being obliterated, just like how America intervened during the first Korean conflict.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JordanN_3335 on 2006-10-18 at 12:31:57
On the news when I'm reading the 5 second messages it said something about china and the security council I can't remember how it goes. But remember what Japan did to korea during world war II so they basicly hate them.

Also most likely india wont be fighting literally but didnt they help china by rolling out barrels of food I can't remember.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by WoAHorde2 on 2006-10-18 at 13:47:56
China recently put up a fence on the NK/CHina border. Looks like ww3 won't be Communism vs Democracy.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-10-18 at 13:54:59
I thought communism no longer exists considering that we found that nobody will ever set up a true communist government because people become corrupted by power.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-10-18 at 18:09:35
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China? Japan?


China had its citizens put on opium, was invaded by numerous countries, and driven to the edge of starvation during the decades of Western and Japanese dominance at the end of the Mongol Qing dynasty. China only rebounded economically under the leadership of Mao Tse-tung and the Chinese Communist Party in the 1950s and 1960s.

Japan was never a target of US imperialism except in the middle 19th century, in which case the West had no effect on Japan except to send it into its own age of imperialism, eventually bringing about its downfall in World War II. Following WWII, the US policy in Japan was not imperialistic, but conciliatory and in large parts geniunely oriented toward raising Japan to its former glory.

Never mind that come 1980 and the Raegan adminsitration when the Japanese economy started to dominate ours, all bets were off and tariffs were introduced.

QUOTE(ColdFusion @ Oct 13 2006, 02:02 PM)
Japan? Japan has no army, the United States controls Japan and is Japan's military.
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Japan? No army? What world do you live in?

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China recently put up a fence on the NK/CHina border. Looks like ww3 won't be Communism vs Democracy.
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The fence on the Yalu was built at the request of the North, in order to keep North Koreans in North Korea.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by StarEditron 4000 on 2006-10-18 at 19:01:23
Just for the heck of it...

Axis

North Korea
Iran
Syria
Other Middle Eastern nations
Egypt
Libya


Allies

USA
United Kingdom
Canada
Other NATO nations
Australia
South Korea
Israel

Neutral Countries

India
Pakistan
Russia (Might eventually join Allies)
China ^
Japan ^
The rest of the world
Report, edit, etc...Posted by WoAHorde2 on 2006-10-18 at 20:14:59
Why does everyone think Egypt would go Axis at the snap of 2 fingers? It is currently trying to improve its relationship with the USA and get more tourism.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2006-10-19 at 02:42:44
Hello? Pakistan is a political ally to the U.S. But I guess Civilians don't like that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by UN-Rommel on 2006-10-19 at 10:20:54
America will control the border between North Korea and China which will cause them both to fight America. Japan will then come into play and same with South Korea and they'll be with the Americans. Soon after, Iran will join the Chinese and North Korea will bomb Afghanistan where the entire army of the US and most Britains army is. Britain will then join America and the EU will join with them. Egypt will join China and such and same with Russia. In essence, a true global war that may leave an extremely huge nation into rubble.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2006-10-20 at 20:18:36
I wonder where you got the idea of "entire army" of the U.S. in Afghanistan. I have no idea how huge America's Army is and 5000 is just a fraction of it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2006-10-22 at 11:45:26
QUOTE(Mp)Marine @ Oct 19 2006, 02:20 PM)
America will control the border between North Korea and China which will cause them both to fight America. Japan will then come into play and same with South Korea and they'll be with the Americans. Soon after, Iran will join the Chinese and North Korea will bomb Afghanistan where the entire army of the US and most Britains army is. Britain will then join America and the EU will join with them. Egypt will join China and such and same with Russia. In essence, a true global war that may leave an extremely huge nation into rubble.
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A very misinformed post.

I wanted to just say 'lol' but thought that would be spamming.

Your post puts global politics into oversimplified, black and white terms which are wrong anyway. It astounds me that you think of the EU as an entity that would go to war as 'the EU.' The fact of the matter is that the EU is a collection of sovereign nations which share certain domestic policies, operate a free market together and argue over a great many things. You also seem to class Britain as being separate from the EU when it is actually a part of it (though there are some who would wish that wasn't the case). There seems to be an obvious 'Commie vs. Democracy' mindset operating with you, which is outdated to say the least.

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QUOTE(Desperado @ Oct 12 2006, 05:12 AM)
Manifest destiny was not imperialism. Imperialism means you take COLONIES where the people there do not have full citizenship. The only thing even remotely close to a colony the United States ever took was the Phillipines and we decided we didn't want that.
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If not Imperialist then at the very least aggressively expansionist. What right did the colonists have to expand beyond their original borders? Weren't the lands beyond their borders settled by native tribes? Was subjugating and almost exterminating them (an idea much beloved by the US Army in the mid to late 1800s) not imperialist? Remember that Native Americans did not get full rights of citizenship until 1924, and even then it was not de facto.

Taking overseas colonies is, perhaps unsurprisingly, colonialism, which is one form of imperialism. Having a land-based empire is another form - think of the Austro-Hungarian Empire or German Reich.

Despite all its preaching against imperialism, the US has a very poor record when it comes to equal citizenship and the like. In fact, there is perhaps evidence to suggest that the US effectively forced decolonisation on the European powers in order to consolidate their own position. American history books tend to conveniently 'overlook' these things. Surely you don't take everything you read as the truth? Just because it isn't Mein Kampf doesn't mean the author's opinion isn't reflected in his work.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-10-24 at 21:25:05
DT it doesn't matter that you gave me a NEW study, becuase my point was that there are many different organizations with many different death count amounts, so as to say as fact that 650,000 Iraqs have died would be irrisponisble debating.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Azu on 2006-10-25 at 12:58:23
World War III isn't going to happen.

And if it does, none of us will live to resent my assumption.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ahli on 2006-10-25 at 16:24:50
but I bet, a nuclear war will kill the human race...

And if we don't kill each other with nukes or bullets/lasers/rockets....,
we will die because we are destroying our planet anyway...

~~ my opinion.... ~~
Humans die out anyway, the question is: when?
(I don't give the human race more than 200 years..., last chance to live longer:
moving to mars..., but then a war between the planets will start, cause the earth dies....)
I'm not pessimistic, I'm just falling down....

-> my tip: 13th October 2042, the last day of human race... and we're sitting in the first or 2nd row...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)Excalibur on 2006-10-25 at 20:08:59
QUOTE(Scheisse @ Oct 9 2006, 09:31 PM)
What the hell is France doing on the Allied side too? They threatened to invade USA at the beginnings of the Iraq War.
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If you think France will ever have the balls to put one soldier, let alone an army, against us, then you need some serious mental counciling. closedeyes.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-10-25 at 20:47:41
QUOTE(CaptainWill @ Oct 22 2006, 09:45 AM)
You also seem to class Britain as being separate from the EU when it is actually a part of it (though there are some who would wish that wasn't the case).
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Though Britain is a part of the EU, they don't always follow their policies. They play the "we are not a part of the mainland Europe, we're a part of Europe" act. This is why the value of their currency is higher than the Euro and U.S. Dollar. You can say that they participate in the EU when it's convenient for them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MasterJohnny on 2006-10-26 at 02:14:28
bunkers...we have bunkers...we are going to live...and if not i hope i die without pain...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Owyn on 2006-10-26 at 02:36:52
don't worry, be happy w00t.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2006-10-26 at 06:57:59
QUOTE(HolySin @ Oct 26 2006, 12:47 AM)
Though Britain is a part of the EU, they don't always follow their policies. They play the "we are not a part of the mainland Europe, we're a part of Europe" act. This is why the  value of their currency is higher than the Euro and U.S. Dollar. You can say that they participate in the EU when it's convenient for them.
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I am British, by the way. It's more complicated than that but the basic facts are that Britain is in name a part of the EU, but decided to opt out of the single currency and managed to get some concessions out of the EU on certain policies which appeared to favour France and its obsolescent methods of agriculture, whilst putting us at a disadvantage (the Common Agricultural Policy - CAP). Thatcher got these concessions but we've now lost them as the executive power of the EU is growing.

Britain is a part of the EU but does not feel European. We are very strange in that we share some things with North America and the rest of the English-speaking world, and other things with Europe. Our entertainment industries (music, film and games) are similar to US ones and we hate European music (ever seen Eurovision or listened to music from mainland Europe?), but we take part in the same sports as Europeans (soccer, soccer and more soccer) and dislike American sports, for example.

We are in the middle on some issues however. We are more socially liberal than the US but less so than Europe. We are really a country that doesn't know what it wants to be or where it's going. Should we align ourselves with Europe or the US, or anybody?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2006-10-26 at 08:36:31
Well, for France. In their history of battles. Only 2 wars were won and 2 all by Napoleon. Without Napoleon, they would have absolutely no victories at all.

Oh and. If a nuke drops right above you, you won't feel a thing tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Scheisse on 2006-10-26 at 18:44:00
List updated after reading your posts* smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2006-10-27 at 03:14:57
Here is my opinion of the Axis and Allied forces.

Axis- USA

Allied- The World
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