Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Shattered_moose on 2005-09-20 at 21:34:45
Gah, I shoulda tried to mess it up THEN told you 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ninebreaker on 2005-09-20 at 21:41:00
Well, you can levitate with magnets 
They also made a frog levitate in the lab
OFFTOPIC: Synd][cat, how did u get ur siggy to do that, the bottom text, or is it my name only, and not everyones?
PM me as i probably wont come back to this topic =/
They also made a frog levitate in the lab
OFFTOPIC: Synd][cat, how did u get ur siggy to do that, the bottom text, or is it my name only, and not everyones?
PM me as i probably wont come back to this topic =/
Report, edit, etc...Posted by synd][cate on 2005-09-20 at 22:13:45
I do not debate the fact that they have used high powered magnets to levitate small objects since they have evidence and scientific theory to back up why it happens. I can almost guarentee you they did not use the words "Chi" or "Ki" in their scientific report.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-20 at 22:50:58
QUOTE(synd][cate @ Sep 20 2005, 07:13 PM)
I do not debate the fact that they have used high powered magnets to levitate small objects since they have evidence and scientific theory to back up why it happens. I can almost guarentee you they did not use the words "Chi" or "Ki" in their scientific report.
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You're right, they don't.
Now you're trying to make an argument out of an off topic subject. Good job at being a retard! I give you applause.
And nice sig. Been reported. And you spelt "your" wrong, too. wonderful friend.
On Topic
They already use magnets to levitate things. Ever heard of the magnetic trains?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by synd][cate on 2005-09-20 at 22:56:44
What argument have I made out of something that is off topic?
Notice how it's kind of hard for me to deny the fact there are levitating trains since there is factual evidence that they exist?! Don't you wish your other arguments had the same weight to them? Hmm I wonder why that is...
Notice how it's kind of hard for me to deny the fact there are levitating trains since there is factual evidence that they exist?! Don't you wish your other arguments had the same weight to them? Hmm I wonder why that is...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-20 at 22:59:35
QUOTE(synd][cate @ Sep 20 2005, 07:56 PM)
What argument have I made out of something that is off topic?
Notice how it's kind of hard for me to deny the fact there are trains since there is factual evidence that they exist?! Don't you wish your other arguments had the same weight to them? Hmm I wonder why that is...
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Notice how it's kind of hard for me to deny the fact there are trains since there is factual evidence that they exist?! Don't you wish your other arguments had the same weight to them? Hmm I wonder why that is...
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You are a moron. Do I have to quote you everytime?
First off you get off topic by bashing on me
Second, you get off topic and bash on everyone for talking about Chi/Ki
Third, you even POST "This is all about being off topic anyways"
Fourth, you go even MORE OFF TOPIC after I have tried to bring it back to off topic.
Anymore?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by synd][cate on 2005-09-20 at 23:06:39
The last few posts I have posted on topic, you have subsequently brought this off topic again. I have a hard time believing that is infact myself that is causing this off-topicness.
Also if you are so concerned about what topic we are talking about it is probably in your best intrest to keep in on levitation rather than trying to argue about whatever the hell it is you are arguing about... as always.
Also if you are so concerned about what topic we are talking about it is probably in your best intrest to keep in on levitation rather than trying to argue about whatever the hell it is you are arguing about... as always.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-20 at 23:20:41
QUOTE(synd][cate @ Sep 20 2005, 08:06 PM)
The last few posts I have posted on topic, you have subsequently brought this off topic again. I have a hard time believing that is infact myself that is causing this off-topicness.
Also if you are so concerned about what topic we are talking about it is probably in your best intrest to keep in on levitation rather than trying to argue about whatever the hell it is you are arguing about... as always.
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Also if you are so concerned about what topic we are talking about it is probably in your best intrest to keep in on levitation rather than trying to argue about whatever the hell it is you are arguing about... as always.
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Hmmm... Read below:
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I think the best response to what you guys have posted is nothing. You have proven how twisted and illogical your interpretations of what I said are and I don't argue with anything other than logic.. so your on your own.
I have not talked much about levitation itself because it has not even crossed my mind as being valid with todays technology. Ordinary people like to talk about things like levatation and other highly complex phenomenon as if to make themselves feel smart. I do not claim to have a large IQ this is because I don't pretend that I do..
If levitation has even crossed your mind in this thread as being some valid without the proof of highly complex mathimatical equations.. You might as well become a Yoga master and use your Ki / Chi or Ti for such. At least you'll be a master at something and trust me it's not even remotely related to leviation.
This topic is all about being off topic, don't worry.
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Gah, synd][cate's sigs figured me out, now it always gets who I am right, I shouldn't have viewed a thread he posted in.
Don't worry .. if you are using a proxy server which most hosts do, that's the ip address it will show.
Although.. nslookup returns this for your info
C:\>nslookup
> 12.202.71.122
Name: 12-202-71-122.client.insightBB.com
Address: 12.202.71.122
Which kinda says you are not behind a proxy. I could be wrong.
It would get confused since right now I only have the most used IP associated with each name.. although add a few lines of code, if it doesn't find the #1 used IP it uses the 2nd and 3rd.. etc.
Let me do that right now tongue.gif
I do not debate the fact that they have used high powered magnets to levitate small objects since they have evidence and scientific theory to back up why it happens. I can almost guarentee you they did not use the words "Chi" or "Ki" in their scientific report.
I have not talked much about levitation itself because it has not even crossed my mind as being valid with todays technology. Ordinary people like to talk about things like levatation and other highly complex phenomenon as if to make themselves feel smart. I do not claim to have a large IQ this is because I don't pretend that I do..
If levitation has even crossed your mind in this thread as being some valid without the proof of highly complex mathimatical equations.. You might as well become a Yoga master and use your Ki / Chi or Ti for such. At least you'll be a master at something and trust me it's not even remotely related to leviation.
This topic is all about being off topic, don't worry.
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Gah, synd][cate's sigs figured me out, now it always gets who I am right, I shouldn't have viewed a thread he posted in.
Don't worry .. if you are using a proxy server which most hosts do, that's the ip address it will show.
Although.. nslookup returns this for your info
C:\>nslookup
> 12.202.71.122
Name: 12-202-71-122.client.insightBB.com
Address: 12.202.71.122
Which kinda says you are not behind a proxy. I could be wrong.
It would get confused since right now I only have the most used IP associated with each name.. although add a few lines of code, if it doesn't find the #1 used IP it uses the 2nd and 3rd.. etc.
Let me do that right now tongue.gif
I do not debate the fact that they have used high powered magnets to levitate small objects since they have evidence and scientific theory to back up why it happens. I can almost guarentee you they did not use the words "Chi" or "Ki" in their scientific report.
And all this has to deal with the topic?
IP Addresses are about levitation? Talking about how we are "off topic" so you aren't going to even try to propose a plausible argument against us because we are "off topic" is on topic?
You crack me up at how pathetic your attempts are at trying to insult people here.
When you can actually post PROOF of what you say, then maybe we will agree that you are a good debater. But just saying blam isn't going to back your words up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2005-09-21 at 16:23:00
So, how exactly do we provide evidence that something doesn't exist? The person making the claims towards it's existence must present evidence that they do exist. What you have presented is pseudoscience, urban myths, and plain old superstition. Once again, you avoid actually presenting a case and stating something reasonable, instead repeating your only debating tactic: changing the burden of proof on the wrong party, ad nausem. Now you seem to say that it's a personal attack for us to say that your argument is full of logical fallacies, when they're fairly glaring. Again, your only defence against this is "uh, no", as to say that things such as logic and science simply don't exist. Syndicate's post was very clear, that the beliefs that humans have "magical" chi powers violates the Christian beliefs that only God has thus power, and that humans performing magic are with the devil (do you even know your own religion, Army?). Millenium, we're not saying religious beliefs are stupid, but the point is that Kellimus believes in contradicting philosophies. Kellimus, pointing this IP address bit is simply another logical fallacies, a personal attack. Since you cannot beat the argument, you stress that the person giving it is somehow inferior to yourself. Very professional.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-21 at 16:53:38
QUOTE(Wilhelm @ Sep 21 2005, 01:22 PM)
So, how exactly do we provide evidence that something doesn't exist? The person making the claims towards it's existence must present evidence that they do exist. What you have presented is pseudoscience, urban myths, and plain old superstition. Once again, you avoid actually presenting a case and stating something reasonable, instead repeating your only debating tactic: changing the burden of proof on the wrong party, ad nausem. Now you seem to say that it's a personal attack for us to say that your argument is full of logical fallacies, when they're fairly glaring. Again, your only defence against this is "uh, no", as to say that things such as logic and science simply don't exist. Syndicate's post was very clear, that the beliefs that humans have "magical" chi powers violates the Christian beliefs that only God has thus power, and that humans performing magic are with the devil (do you even know your own religion, Army?). Millenium, we're not saying religious beliefs are stupid, but the point is that Kellimus believes in contradicting philosophies. Kellimus, pointing this IP address bit is simply another logical fallacies, a personal attack. Since you cannot beat the argument, you stress that the person giving it is somehow inferior to yourself. Very professional.
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Do you feel special? You can whip out the Ad Hoc bullblam. Good for you.
I wasn't attacking him, I was showing how OFF TOPIC he was because he claimed I was off topic. Is it a crime to defend myself against something?
Apperantly to arrogent wonderful friends such as yourself, it is.
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QUOTE(Wilhelm @ Sep 21 2005, 01:22 PM)
So, how exactly do we provide evidence that something doesn't exist? The person making the claims towards it's existence must present evidence that they do exist. What you have presented is pseudoscience, urban myths, and plain old superstition. Once again, you avoid actually presenting a case and stating something reasonable, instead repeating your only debating tactic: changing the burden of proof on the wrong party, ad nausem. Now you seem to say that it's a personal attack for us to say that your argument is full of logical fallacies, when they're fairly glaring. Again, your only defence against this is "uh, no", as to say that things such as logic and science simply don't exist. Syndicate's post was very clear, that the beliefs that humans have "magical" chi powers violates the Christian beliefs that only God has thus power, and that humans performing magic are with the devil (do you even know your own religion, Army?). Millenium, we're not saying religious beliefs are stupid, but the point is that Kellimus believes in contradicting philosophies. Kellimus, pointing this IP address bit is simply another logical fallacies, a personal attack. Since you cannot beat the argument, you stress that the person giving it is somehow inferior to yourself. Very professional.
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You must be confused when I said PROOF.
Do I have to spell it out for you?
Proof of what he says about PEOPLE, not the TOPIC.
There. Happy?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Merrell on 2005-09-21 at 17:06:16
Kellimus, you are attacking him way more then he is attacking you. Please take a break from the forums or just shut the hell up. Syn has been on topic in every post, he leaves something on topic.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Shattered_moose on 2005-09-21 at 17:44:02
What the hell are we talking about right now? How do we get to "you can't proove blah blah blah" from shooting down a false levitation claim? As far as the "you can't proove it doesnt exist stuff", no, we can't prove that your magical ki/chi/whatever levitation doesn't work, however, we can point out that there is no scientifically confirmed evidence for it.
Plus, why on earth did kellimus say he "reported him" for that signature, several other members have similar ones, just syd][cate's is hand made, as opposed to grabbed off some site.
Plus, why on earth did kellimus say he "reported him" for that signature, several other members have similar ones, just syd][cate's is hand made, as opposed to grabbed off some site.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-21 at 17:50:14
QUOTE(Shatter @ Sep 21 2005, 02:43 PM)
What the hell are we talking about right now? How do we get to "you can't proove blah blah blah" from shooting down a false levitation claim? As far as the "you can't proove it doesnt exist stuff", no, we can't prove that your magical ki/chi/whatever levitation doesn't work, however, we can point out that there is no scientifically confirmed evidence for it.
Plus, why on earth did kellimus say he "reported him" for that signature, several other members have similar ones, just syd][cate's is hand made, as opposed to grabbed off some site.
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I reported his signature because for me it says, "Hey Kellimus, your a douchebag"
And I agree. Instead of FLAMING me for what I believe, why didn't you just say that I had no logical scientific evidence?
But nooooooooo. Wilhelm loves to flame. Just like Synd][cate and Mrrll.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Shattered_moose on 2005-09-21 at 18:15:03
Haha, I see, so it has a custom message for you depending on wether he hates you or not.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-09-21 at 18:33:29
Kellimus still doesn't understand burden of proof and ad hoc is not blam, it shows how ignorant you are on how to argue properly. As far as the argument for chi/ki is concerned it's DEAD because you have already thoroughly lost.
All this other off topic blam is just crap both sides wish to argue.
All this other off topic blam is just crap both sides wish to argue.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-21 at 21:36:42
Why is it ALWAYS the many VS the one? And how dose it ALWAYS end up with Kelly as the "one"? Everyone should just drop it. Kelly thinks that there is chi/ki, so let him. I also believe in something like that. Proof doesn't mean a whole lot here. you cant prove that it is real with out actually seeing it in person. But you always have your sceptics. So, everyone just get over it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-09-21 at 21:52:46
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Why is it ALWAYS the many VS the one? And how dose it ALWAYS end up with Kelly as the "one"? Everyone should just drop it.
That's irrelevant. And it doesn't matter how many people are against him, if he uses good logic, which he doesn't, then it doesn't matter how many people are against him. I think it ends up as everyone vs kelly, because he's the one who doesn't realize the logic involved in an argument.
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Kelly thinks that there is chi/ki, so let him. I also believe in something like that. Proof doesn't mean a whole lot here. you cant prove that it is real with out actually seeing it in person. But you always have your sceptics. So, everyone just get over it.
Who says we are forcing him to not believe in chi/ki? Kellimus was the one who brought up his beliefs about chi/ki, and we merely ask for him to provide some evidence or proof to validate them. Proof means a whole lot here. You can't argue and say "you can't prove it is real without actually seeing it in person".
Being skeptical has nothing to do with this.
The only person who really needs to get over anything is Kellimus. He basically lost his argument and hasn't proved chi/ki. He's too stubborn to admit it though. Which is why this argument will not end. Unless we all go, "Yes Kellimus you are always right, you win".
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-21 at 23:24:00
QUOTE(devilesk-A-dur @ Sep 21 2005, 07:52 PM)
You can't argue and say "you can't prove it is real without actually seeing it in person".
Being skeptical has nothing to do with this.
The only person who really needs to get over anything is Kellimus. He basically lost his argument and hasn't proved chi/ki. He's too stubborn to admit it though. Which is why this argument will not end. Unless we all go, "Yes Kellimus you are always right, you win".
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Being skeptical has nothing to do with this.
The only person who really needs to get over anything is Kellimus. He basically lost his argument and hasn't proved chi/ki. He's too stubborn to admit it though. Which is why this argument will not end. Unless we all go, "Yes Kellimus you are always right, you win".
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First . You CANT proove this without seeing it IN PERSON. You cant have someone precord it, and expect the massed to beleave that it is real. Video is editable. Real life is not.
Second. In THIS topic, proof is useless. You cant proove that there is chi/ki with out seeing it. You cant go on a forum and post a movie clip and make everyone beleave it. That is kellys oppinion.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-22 at 01:52:04
QUOTE(devilesk-A-dur @ Sep 21 2005, 03:33 PM)
Kellimus still doesn't understand burden of proof and ad hoc is not blam, it shows how ignorant you are on how to argue properly. As far as the argument for chi/ki is concerned it's DEAD because you have already thoroughly lost.
All this other off topic blam is just crap both sides wish to argue.
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Unlike you, or Wilhelm, I don't need to "argue correctly" because I don't have an over inflated ego.
QUOTE(devilesk-A-dur @ Sep 21 2005, 06:52 PM)
That's irrelevant. And it doesn't matter how many people are against him, if he uses good logic, which he doesn't, then it doesn't matter how many people are against him. I think it ends up as everyone vs kelly, because he's the one who doesn't realize the logic involved in an argument.
Who says we are forcing him to not believe in chi/ki? Kellimus was the one who brought up his beliefs about chi/ki, and we merely ask for him to provide some evidence or proof to validate them. Proof means a whole lot here. You can't argue and say "you can't prove it is real without actually seeing it in person".
Being skeptical has nothing to do with this.
The only person who really needs to get over anything is Kellimus. He basically lost his argument and hasn't proved chi/ki. He's too stubborn to admit it though. Which is why this argument will not end. Unless we all go, "Yes Kellimus you are always right, you win".
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Who says we are forcing him to not believe in chi/ki? Kellimus was the one who brought up his beliefs about chi/ki, and we merely ask for him to provide some evidence or proof to validate them. Proof means a whole lot here. You can't argue and say "you can't prove it is real without actually seeing it in person".
Being skeptical has nothing to do with this.
The only person who really needs to get over anything is Kellimus. He basically lost his argument and hasn't proved chi/ki. He's too stubborn to admit it though. Which is why this argument will not end. Unless we all go, "Yes Kellimus you are always right, you win".
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I clearely have lost. I was :censored:ing about the fact that Synd][cate was off topic and was :censored:ing at ME when I had clearely STOPPED arguing about Chi/Ki. Then Wilhelm and Mrrll started :censored:ing at me for :censored:ing at Synd][cate to get back on topic.
And like Durk said. How can you PROVE something enless you see it in REAL LIFE? I cannot PROVE it to you over a stupid :censored:ing FORUM. I would have to PROVE it to you in REAL LIFE which I CANNOT because i'm not going to waste money to PROVE things to people because I DON'T NEED TO.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by synd][cate on 2005-09-22 at 02:07:49
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Unlike you, or Wilhelm, I don't need to "argue correctly" because I don't have an over inflated ego.
Pure Comedy.
Also if you cannot prove something like this over the internet.. don't god damn write it down. The poor uninformed, easily influenced individuals will read what you write and will believe you.. and the vicious cycle starts all over again.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-09-22 at 17:33:30
QUOTE(durk-A-dur @ Sep 21 2005, 11:23 PM)
First . You CANT proove this without seeing it IN PERSON. You cant have someone precord it, and expect the massed to beleave that it is real. Video is editable. Real life is not.
Second. In THIS topic, proof is useless. You cant proove that there is chi/ki with out seeing it. You cant go on a forum and post a movie clip and make everyone beleave it. That is kellys oppinion.
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Second. In THIS topic, proof is useless. You cant proove that there is chi/ki with out seeing it. You cant go on a forum and post a movie clip and make everyone beleave it. That is kellys oppinion.
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What a great argument, I should just use that in EVERY discussion. You're a master at this logic thing.
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I clearely have lost. I was :censored:ing about the fact that Synd][cate was off topic and was :censored:ing at ME when I had clearely STOPPED arguing about Chi/Ki. Then Wilhelm and Mrrll started :censored:ing at me for :censored:ing at Synd][cate to get back on topic.
Hmm, I wonder why you stopped arguing about chi/ki. And I know it's not because of the intelligent reason.
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And like Durk said. How can you PROVE something enless you see it in REAL LIFE? I cannot PROVE it to you over a stupid :censored:ing FORUM. I would have to PROVE it to you in REAL LIFE which I CANNOT because i'm not going to waste money to PROVE things to people because I DON'T NEED TO.
Yea, that's why you labelled everything you said before as "proof" and kept pushing the fact that chi/ki is real. Along those lines any religious person could say HEY GOD IS REAL, I JUST CANT PROVE IT TO YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO EXPERIENCE IT!
However, there's a thing called ad hoc.
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Unlike you, or Wilhelm, I don't need to "argue correctly" because I don't have an over inflated ego.
Yea man, having an "ego" has to do with arguing correctly. I guess so, because those people with an ego who can argue correctly are always right if they use logic. Unlike you, who can't have an ego while being correct at the same time.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-22 at 17:45:17
This is comming from a 13-15 year old?
Wow. I need to argue correctly to use logic.
Um, no. I use logic all the time but it's pointless to even try to use it on SEN because everyone is egotistical morons that are arrogent. They don't listen to ANYONE because they are "always right and everyone else is wrong" so they completely ignore a possibility or even an oppinion because it conflicts with their own.
Wow. I need to argue correctly to use logic.
Um, no. I use logic all the time but it's pointless to even try to use it on SEN because everyone is egotistical morons that are arrogent. They don't listen to ANYONE because they are "always right and everyone else is wrong" so they completely ignore a possibility or even an oppinion because it conflicts with their own.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-09-22 at 17:50:26
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Sep 22 2005, 05:44 PM)
This is comming from a 13-15 year old?
Wow. I need to argue correctly to use logic.
Um, no. I use logic all the time but it's pointless to even try to use it on SEN because everyone is egotistical morons that are arrogent. They don't listen to ANYONE because they are "always right and everyone else is wrong" so they completely ignore a possibility or even an oppinion because it conflicts with their own.
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Wow. I need to argue correctly to use logic.
Um, no. I use logic all the time but it's pointless to even try to use it on SEN because everyone is egotistical morons that are arrogent. They don't listen to ANYONE because they are "always right and everyone else is wrong" so they completely ignore a possibility or even an oppinion because it conflicts with their own.
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No, you need to argue correctly BY using logic.
I'm sure you use logic all the time. Ha.
And does it matter if it comes from a 13-15 year old? Does logic somehow change as you get older? Can't any educated person apply logic to something or point out a logical fallacy?
Kellimus it's never pointless to use logic on anyone. It's just useless to even argue. However, I completely agree with you on how arrogant and egotistical SEN is, the ironic thing is, however, is that you fall into that category.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-22 at 18:05:25
And you're saying you don't? Never did I say I didn't fall into that category. I'm a hell of a lot better then most the members here though. I at least open my mind to the fact that what they are saying is a possibility.
But in here, you have all shut your minds and claimed that my beliefs contradict eachother, which they don't.
And for one, I don't believe in every christian belief just like I don't with ever Taoist belief.
Is it "Illogical" to take beliefs and murge them? Well then most the world is illogical then if you believe that.
But in here, you have all shut your minds and claimed that my beliefs contradict eachother, which they don't.
And for one, I don't believe in every christian belief just like I don't with ever Taoist belief.
Is it "Illogical" to take beliefs and murge them? Well then most the world is illogical then if you believe that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-09-22 at 18:12:02
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Sep 22 2005, 06:05 PM)
And you're saying you don't? Never did I say I didn't fall into that category. I'm a hell of a lot better then most the members here though. I at least open my mind to the fact that what they are saying is a possibility.
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I don't fall into that category. And I know you didn't say you fell into that category, but you talked about that category and I said you do fall into it. Once again, you can't be openminded to everything all the time. After you get the facts, the evidence, the proof, you have to make some sort of decision. And I have done that with the possibility of the existence of chi/ki. Based on your "proof" I have logically concluded that your proof doesn't prove the existence of chi/ki.
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But in here, you have all shut your minds and claimed that my beliefs contradict eachother, which they don't.
We haven't shut our minds without looking at the evidence and proof you presented. I for one haven't said your beliefs contradict eachother. I'm saying your "proof" doesn't actually prove the existence of chi/ki. Therefore I'm free to close my mind until you provide something new.
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Is it "Illogical" to take beliefs and murge them? Well then most the world is illogical then if you believe that.
Explain how that has anything to do with what I am saying.