Report, edit, etc...Posted by UN-Rommel on 2006-04-10 at 20:04:47
QUOTE(Centreri @ Apr 10 2006, 11:52 AM)
I agree with Rantent. I won't say I know more chemistry or anything then the teacher, but during this whole year I have learned only one thing in math class. In those 45-90 minutes per day, I could have done much more productive things (speaking theoretically; most of the time I would be too lazy 
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It just goes to show you how life is unfair, doesn't it? Some people are naturally gifted, others aren't. The gifted ones can help mankind or save the rainforest or whatever else you want; Guy B wasn't lucky and can't do a thing. Slowing down the gifted ones to to teach those who won't get as much as the gifted ones out of it anyway seems dumb, doesn't it?
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).QUOTE(Teh Dad)
I am saying that you won't get a better grade on a test just becuase you studied harder then the next guy.
Translation.
Guy A gets, lets say, a 95/100 becuase hes naturally smart and does not have to study much.
Guy B studies very hard but gets a 77/100 just for what ever reason.
Teachers won't give you a better grade jsut because you put more effort into your work then the next guy. It really jsut matters on the grade they can give you.
Translation.
Guy A gets, lets say, a 95/100 becuase hes naturally smart and does not have to study much.
Guy B studies very hard but gets a 77/100 just for what ever reason.
Teachers won't give you a better grade jsut because you put more effort into your work then the next guy. It really jsut matters on the grade they can give you.
It just goes to show you how life is unfair, doesn't it? Some people are naturally gifted, others aren't. The gifted ones can help mankind or save the rainforest or whatever else you want; Guy B wasn't lucky and can't do a thing. Slowing down the gifted ones to to teach those who won't get as much as the gifted ones out of it anyway seems dumb, doesn't it?
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Dang only 45-90 minutes a class? We have 3 hours per class
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2006-04-10 at 20:21:06
Three hours per class subject a day is inefficient. Why?
- Lack of attention span: Students will not be able to do as quality, or as much work if they did the class say, in two 90 minute classes, or better yet, four 45 minute classes.
- Less homework: Students, due to having more time devoted to fewer subjects, will recieve less work to do at home for each subject each day, meaning they possibly will not retain as much information.
In fact, your three hour classes don't seem to be helping you much. You forgot a comma to set off an interjection, your first sentence lacks a verb, you forgot to change '3' to 'three' because the number three is below ten, and you obviously forgot a period at the end of the second sentence. Plus, your entire post is two sentences, although capitalizing 'we' was not required, but wasn't erroneous. Just shows how much time, thought and effort you put into that post, huh? This isn't to criticize you, but to point out why long classes are inefficient, boring and plain bad.
- Lack of attention span: Students will not be able to do as quality, or as much work if they did the class say, in two 90 minute classes, or better yet, four 45 minute classes.
- Less homework: Students, due to having more time devoted to fewer subjects, will recieve less work to do at home for each subject each day, meaning they possibly will not retain as much information.
In fact, your three hour classes don't seem to be helping you much. You forgot a comma to set off an interjection, your first sentence lacks a verb, you forgot to change '3' to 'three' because the number three is below ten, and you obviously forgot a period at the end of the second sentence. Plus, your entire post is two sentences, although capitalizing 'we' was not required, but wasn't erroneous. Just shows how much time, thought and effort you put into that post, huh? This isn't to criticize you, but to point out why long classes are inefficient, boring and plain bad.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by UN-Rommel on 2006-04-10 at 20:24:11
QUOTE(Snake)Ling @ Apr 10 2006, 05:20 PM)
Three hours per class subject a day is inefficient. Why?
- Lack of attention span: Students will not be able to do as quality, or as much work if they did the class say, in two 90 minute classes, or better yet, four 45 minute classes.
- Less homework: Students, due to having more time devoted to fewer subjects, will recieve less work to do at home for each subject each day, meaning they possibly will not retain as much information.
In fact, your three hour classes don't seem to be helping you much. You forgot a comma to set off an interjection, your first sentence lacks a verb, you forgot to change '3' to 'three' because the number three is below ten, and you obviously forgot a period at the end of the second sentence. Plus, your entire post is two sentences, although capitalizing 'we' was not required, but wasn't erroneous. Just shows how much time, thought and effort you put into that post, huh? This isn't to criticize you, but to point out why long classes are inefficient, boring and plain bad.
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- Lack of attention span: Students will not be able to do as quality, or as much work if they did the class say, in two 90 minute classes, or better yet, four 45 minute classes.
- Less homework: Students, due to having more time devoted to fewer subjects, will recieve less work to do at home for each subject each day, meaning they possibly will not retain as much information.
In fact, your three hour classes don't seem to be helping you much. You forgot a comma to set off an interjection, your first sentence lacks a verb, you forgot to change '3' to 'three' because the number three is below ten, and you obviously forgot a period at the end of the second sentence. Plus, your entire post is two sentences, although capitalizing 'we' was not required, but wasn't erroneous. Just shows how much time, thought and effort you put into that post, huh? This isn't to criticize you, but to point out why long classes are inefficient, boring and plain bad.
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Just to let you know, I don't use my grammar skills on sen or starcraft like 98 percent of the people here.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-04-10 at 20:45:00
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Just to let you know, I don't use my grammar skills on sen or starcraft like 98 percent of the people here.
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Seems to me like you're using them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by UN-Rommel on 2006-04-11 at 01:27:25
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Apr 10 2006, 05:44 PM)
Seems to me like you're using them.
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I was proving a point to the guy who was examining my writing
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-04-11 at 15:47:56
Three hours per day? That's.. wierd.. As said before by others, it won't be as useful. By the way, I was speaking about math.. No idea how the 'English' thing came up. Let me put it this way; If schools cared more about individuals and allowed exceptions (such as letting us learn other skills instead of reviewing unnecessarily), the world would be a much better place.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-04-11 at 18:23:48
I go about three hours a day (I'm at school 4 though) So it's not all that bad.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-04-12 at 00:51:51
QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Apr 9 2006, 10:42 PM)
You don't know that for sure. But in schools here you are not based on effort. You are based on your grades.
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Hardly, grades reflect effort.
QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Apr 9 2006, 11:28 PM)
I am saying that you won't get a better grade on a test just becuase you studied harder then the next guy.
Translation.
Guy A gets, lets say, a 95/100 becuase hes naturally smart and does not have to study much.
Guy B studies very hard but gets a 77/100 just for what ever reason.
Teachers won't give you a better grade jsut because you put more effort into your work then the next guy. It really jsut matters on the grade they can give you.
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Translation.
Guy A gets, lets say, a 95/100 becuase hes naturally smart and does not have to study much.
Guy B studies very hard but gets a 77/100 just for what ever reason.
Teachers won't give you a better grade jsut because you put more effort into your work then the next guy. It really jsut matters on the grade they can give you.
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There really isn't such a thing as "naturally smart". Knowledge is accumulated through your life and it depends on how much you are pushed to or attempt to learn in your earlier years. Nobody is born knowing how to do calculus. I have yet to meet a person that tries as hard as they possibly can yet fails a class. I would bet that at least 99.5% of people who fail a class could have tried harder.
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Literacy (2003)
• Men 97%
• Women 97 %
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States...erica#Education
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_United_States
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• Men 97%
• Women 97 %
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_United_States
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What are you saying? An adult illiteracy rate of 3% is nothing to brag about.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-04-12 at 21:52:30
QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Apr 11 2006, 08:51 PM)
Hardly, grades reflect effort.
There really isn't such a thing as "naturally smart". Knowledge is accumulated through your life and it depends on how much you are pushed to or attempt to learn in your earlier years. Nobody is born knowing how to do calculus. I have yet to meet a person that tries as hard as they possibly can yet fails a class. I would bet that at least 99.5% of people who fail a class could have tried harder.
What are you saying? An adult illiteracy rate of 3% is nothing to brag about.
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There really isn't such a thing as "naturally smart". Knowledge is accumulated through your life and it depends on how much you are pushed to or attempt to learn in your earlier years. Nobody is born knowing how to do calculus. I have yet to meet a person that tries as hard as they possibly can yet fails a class. I would bet that at least 99.5% of people who fail a class could have tried harder.
What are you saying? An adult illiteracy rate of 3% is nothing to brag about.
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Again, you don;t know that for sure.
I have put a lot of effort and creativity into a travel trip project and had a whole presentation set up and did it nicely and started it early. I got a B on it.
My friend woke up early the morning it was due and did it before and during school before the presentation period and got an A on it.
I would say effort wise
Me > Friend
And I geuss your right theres no one really naturally smart. What I ment to say is learning comes extremely easy to them. My friend also never takes notes, and barely listens and never does his home work at home (he does it during school the days the work is due) and still pulls off As. Its just easy for some kids. Unlike them, I do not think the grade reflects how smart I am and many other kids in the Nation.
Its not so black and white on this subject. There is a shade of grey.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-04-13 at 09:33:16
Daddy's right that some people find learning much easier. People call it 'Naturally Gifted'.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-04-13 at 21:49:31
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I have put a lot of effort and creativity into a travel trip project and had a whole presentation set up and did it nicely and started it early. I got a B on it.
That proves my point. You tried you hardest; perhaps you didn't get an A, but a B is still an okay grade. Failing is an F.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-04-14 at 18:46:34
It also proofs my point too. Effort does not always translate into better grades. Grades are what matters.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-04-15 at 14:40:09
I'll repeat something..
QUOTE(Me! Yay ^_^)
It just goes to show you how life is unfair, doesn't it? Some people are naturally gifted, others aren't. The gifted ones can help mankind or save the rainforest or whatever else you want; Guy B wasn't lucky and can't do a thing. Slowing down the gifted ones to to teach those who won't get as much as the gifted ones out of it anyway seems dumb, doesn't it?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LittLeLives on 2006-04-15 at 14:55:37
That article (http://www.totse.com/en/ego/self_improvement/bearebel191262.html) just owned.
Cut the chains bonding people and schools, but open the school doors for them!
Because now that I think about it, what does learning about what I am learning now really help ourselves? Who cares about when George Washing-machine died? I don't. But if I really cared about pursuing art I would do so in my own way instead of listening to someone talk about something irrelevant.
The moment America has a system like that, I'm gonna (try to) be a philosopher, an out-of-the-box-thinka and a programmer! =D
Hey wait a minute...I sacrificed the four-hours to do that after school and now I am! =D Now I just need to learn how to play the bass, be an artist, be a cook and keep pursuing everything that I find interest things and more importantly things that might help me.
Because calculus isn't really gonna save me from starving in my college dorm, but learning cooking skills might!
Cut the chains bonding people and schools, but open the school doors for them!
Because now that I think about it, what does learning about what I am learning now really help ourselves? Who cares about when George Washing-machine died? I don't. But if I really cared about pursuing art I would do so in my own way instead of listening to someone talk about something irrelevant.
The moment America has a system like that, I'm gonna (try to) be a philosopher, an out-of-the-box-thinka and a programmer! =D
Hey wait a minute...I sacrificed the four-hours to do that after school and now I am! =D Now I just need to learn how to play the bass, be an artist, be a cook and keep pursuing everything that I find interest things and more importantly things that might help me.
Because calculus isn't really gonna save me from starving in my college dorm, but learning cooking skills might!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Eskimo Bob on 2006-04-20 at 18:31:28
I think it is effective but not all the time, because the teachers cant always control there students, alot of them play pranks, and mess around, some dont even pass class, my 6th period class is terrible, I cant stand them half of the time, it really bothers me, Home work is fine i would say, but if your a teacher dont be a massive homework giver, and always go over it, it helps ur students see what they missed
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-04-24 at 02:19:14
I believe grades reflect effort as well. Half of my classes are full of fooles who have a problem reading. Damn school put me into these classes. I have done no work, I do my work orally and mentally. No homework. When the teacher asks me any question from the homework, I give him the correct answer. I pass tests with A's. I get D's for marking period. Why? Because I didn't do homework which is supposed to help peoplew learn things. Now, if I already knew it then why should I do it? Effort reflects grades.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-04-24 at 17:30:09
QUOTE(NuclearRabbit @ Apr 23 2006, 10:18 PM)
I believe grades reflect effort as well. Half of my classes are full of fooles who have a problem reading. Damn school put me into these classes. I have done no work, I do my work orally and mentally. No homework. When the teacher asks me any question from the homework, I give him the correct answer. I pass tests with A's. I get D's for marking period. Why? Because I didn't do homework which is supposed to help peoplew learn things. Now, if I already knew it then why should I do it? Effort reflects grades.
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That would be neglect/pride, not effort. Effort = your doing something. You aren't putting in any effort, so no effort = nothing done.
I hate homework just like the next student, but it does help responsibility.
I am often called a selfish student.
Simply becuase I only do the work and get really good grades in the classes I am good in or that I like.
Are some of you guys selfish students?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-04-24 at 18:05:42
Are you an meanie?
No actually i'm not selfish. In fact I have given a lot of my "expensive" items out for free. Quite frequently.
You seriously are stupid chris...
I wasn't putting in any effort was what i was saying. I'm sure a child with down syndrome could of picked up on that. Its effort. I did not do my homework, i did not put effort into it by not doing it. It does not help responsiblility, it only helps to make you know to follow orders. To be controlled. I don't do homework in any classes. Simply because I don't need them. I do all work mentally and orally. I will not write it down. Only one of my classes, history, gives me good grades. He realized I know my stuff and simply asks me the questions and thats it.
You are just saying exactly what we have been saying. Grades = effort. Grades do not equal knowledge.
No actually i'm not selfish. In fact I have given a lot of my "expensive" items out for free. Quite frequently.
You seriously are stupid chris...
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That would be neglect/pride, not effort. Effort = your doing something. You aren't putting in any effort, so no effort = nothing done.
I hate homework just like the next student, but it does help responsibility.
I am often called a selfish student.
Simply becuase I only do the work and get really good grades in the classes I am good in or that I like.
Are some of you guys selfish students?
I hate homework just like the next student, but it does help responsibility.
I am often called a selfish student.
Simply becuase I only do the work and get really good grades in the classes I am good in or that I like.
Are some of you guys selfish students?
I wasn't putting in any effort was what i was saying. I'm sure a child with down syndrome could of picked up on that. Its effort. I did not do my homework, i did not put effort into it by not doing it. It does not help responsiblility, it only helps to make you know to follow orders. To be controlled. I don't do homework in any classes. Simply because I don't need them. I do all work mentally and orally. I will not write it down. Only one of my classes, history, gives me good grades. He realized I know my stuff and simply asks me the questions and thats it.
You are just saying exactly what we have been saying. Grades = effort. Grades do not equal knowledge.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-04-24 at 18:27:08
The school system does not suck (Well, in some cases, or I should say, States, it does)
You're just all to lazy to deal with responsibility
You're just all to lazy to deal with responsibility
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-04-24 at 23:09:57
QUOTE(NuclearRabbit @ Apr 24 2006, 02:05 PM)
Are you an meanie?
No actually i'm not selfish. In fact I have given a lot of my "expensive" items out for free. Quite frequently.
You seriously are stupid chris...
I wasn't putting in any effort was what i was saying. I'm sure a child with down syndrome could of picked up on that. Its effort. I did not do my homework, i did not put effort into it by not doing it. It does not help responsiblility, it only helps to make you know to follow orders. To be controlled. I don't do homework in any classes. Simply because I don't need them. I do all work mentally and orally. I will not write it down. Only one of my classes, history, gives me good grades. He realized I know my stuff and simply asks me the questions and thats it.
You are just saying exactly what we have been saying. Grades = effort. Grades do not equal knowledge.
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No actually i'm not selfish. In fact I have given a lot of my "expensive" items out for free. Quite frequently.
You seriously are stupid chris...
I wasn't putting in any effort was what i was saying. I'm sure a child with down syndrome could of picked up on that. Its effort. I did not do my homework, i did not put effort into it by not doing it. It does not help responsiblility, it only helps to make you know to follow orders. To be controlled. I don't do homework in any classes. Simply because I don't need them. I do all work mentally and orally. I will not write it down. Only one of my classes, history, gives me good grades. He realized I know my stuff and simply asks me the questions and thats it.
You are just saying exactly what we have been saying. Grades = effort. Grades do not equal knowledge.
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Thats exactly why you are a selfish student. As it does not apply to your everyday life outside of school. -.-
And with that additude you are going to go no where in life, you are setting your self up for failure.
True maturity is when you can make peace with the establishment.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2006-04-25 at 06:53:42
No, true maturity is when you can make decisions and understand the consequences of them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-04-25 at 18:48:40
QUOTE(Snake)Ling @ Apr 25 2006, 02:53 AM)
No, true maturity is when you can make decisions and understand the consequences of them.
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lol. So I am mature becuase my friend has a cool new video game that I want so I steal it from him. Yep I am mature.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2006-04-26 at 14:56:52
Nope, you're not. You didnt understand the consequences of your actions. Perhaps I also should have added the phrase "and correctly weigh whether the decision will be good or bad in the short- and long-term."
So, I think you're a lot less mature then me, even if I am immature and only act mature on the internet. Why? You don't read to comprehend, you read to critique. You don't bother using correct grammar. You replied indignantly to one of my posts in another thread, saying I was "immature" and "fool-hearted" to think all Republicans didn't want me to have privacy, going on to say that I have no right to privacy, refusing to mention our current president backed a law reducing my right to privacy, and not mentioning that the governor I stated who wanted to be president backed discriminatively reducing privacy rights. Thus, you effectively had contradicted your own statement within the same paragraph, and did not give a shiz that my rights to privacy were being invaded, and discarding totally parts of my post.
Please, get out of here, and do not come back. You don't add anything constructive or even anything neutral to this forum. The good amount of your posts are "bullshiz", the others are merely "shiz".
So, I think you're a lot less mature then me, even if I am immature and only act mature on the internet. Why? You don't read to comprehend, you read to critique. You don't bother using correct grammar. You replied indignantly to one of my posts in another thread, saying I was "immature" and "fool-hearted" to think all Republicans didn't want me to have privacy, going on to say that I have no right to privacy, refusing to mention our current president backed a law reducing my right to privacy, and not mentioning that the governor I stated who wanted to be president backed discriminatively reducing privacy rights. Thus, you effectively had contradicted your own statement within the same paragraph, and did not give a shiz that my rights to privacy were being invaded, and discarding totally parts of my post.
Please, get out of here, and do not come back. You don't add anything constructive or even anything neutral to this forum. The good amount of your posts are "bullshiz", the others are merely "shiz".
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-04-26 at 20:02:39
QUOTE(Snake)Ling @ Apr 26 2006, 10:56 AM)
Nope, you're not. You didnt understand the consequences of your actions. Perhaps I also should have added the phrase "and correctly weigh whether the decision will be good or bad in the short- and long-term."
So, I think you're a lot less mature then me, even if I am immature and only act mature on the internet. Why? You don't read to comprehend, you read to critique. You don't bother using correct grammar. You replied indignantly to one of my posts in another thread, saying I was "immature" and "fool-hearted" to think all Republicans didn't want me to have privacy, going on to say that I have no right to privacy, refusing to mention our current president backed a law reducing my right to privacy, and not mentioning that the governor I stated who wanted to be president backed discriminatively reducing privacy rights. Thus, you effectively had contradicted your own statement within the same paragraph, and did not give a shiz that my rights to privacy were being invaded, and discarding totally parts of my post.
Please, get out of here, and do not come back. You don't add anything constructive or even anything neutral to this forum. The good amount of your posts are "bullshiz", the others are merely "shiz".
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So, I think you're a lot less mature then me, even if I am immature and only act mature on the internet. Why? You don't read to comprehend, you read to critique. You don't bother using correct grammar. You replied indignantly to one of my posts in another thread, saying I was "immature" and "fool-hearted" to think all Republicans didn't want me to have privacy, going on to say that I have no right to privacy, refusing to mention our current president backed a law reducing my right to privacy, and not mentioning that the governor I stated who wanted to be president backed discriminatively reducing privacy rights. Thus, you effectively had contradicted your own statement within the same paragraph, and did not give a shiz that my rights to privacy were being invaded, and discarding totally parts of my post.
Please, get out of here, and do not come back. You don't add anything constructive or even anything neutral to this forum. The good amount of your posts are "bullshiz", the others are merely "shiz".
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Same old thing, you disagree with me so you tell me to leave. lol
You have no right to privacy.
You will not accept the fact that your mature statement does not apply becuase anyone, anyone can fully understand what they are doing and know what will happen in all situations, like stealing the video game, I can know exactly whats going to happen in the possible outcomes of my action, but that does not make me mature.
And based on your posts you refuse to read/see that.
Also snake I could care less if you think your more mature then me or not.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2006-04-27 at 13:53:19
Ok, then go ahead and care less, but don't make bullshiz posts. I wouldn't tell you to leave if your posts added something to the thread, rather than detracted from it. I don't give a shiz what side you're on, as long as you don't be a stupid shiz like some of those Mp) screennames are.
Now then, on to the thread topic: the school system does suck. Why? They are teaching me how to find the volume of a cube in seventh grade, even though they already taught me this in fourth grade. What the fark is that? And no, it wasn't review. They spent a whole 1.5 hour class on this. In English class, the teacher makes us read poetry. How the hell is that incomprehensible shiz going to help me in life? I can see correct grammar, correct spelling, math, science, and history helping me in life. Poetry is something I don't see in my future unless I become some sort of suicidal Wiccan.
Now then, on to the thread topic: the school system does suck. Why? They are teaching me how to find the volume of a cube in seventh grade, even though they already taught me this in fourth grade. What the fark is that? And no, it wasn't review. They spent a whole 1.5 hour class on this. In English class, the teacher makes us read poetry. How the hell is that incomprehensible shiz going to help me in life? I can see correct grammar, correct spelling, math, science, and history helping me in life. Poetry is something I don't see in my future unless I become some sort of suicidal Wiccan.