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hmm actually thats not funny at all. What if they aren't lying and are making ENERGY. hmm isn't nuclear fission used for energy? Funny hoiw things work out..

"leave the military tactics to you"? My ass! I believe Hitler/Mao/Stalin all said the same thing! Funny how things work out. I too know a bit or more about military tactics.. Theres you assuming I know nothing of it. Ya know what! I'm going to do the same and ASSUME you know nothing.

Tone down the flaming please.

Well the smart students of Iran want regime changes. At least thats what I heard. Any who if this gets any hotter why does the US have to always lead the charge? Fark it we do everything! Let the UN have a shot at it with our support, but I would not be happen if we were the dominant force...



Wait was I talking to you? I believe I was talking to Kellimus, haha

ARE YOU AND KELLIMUS THE SAME PERSON??? wtf hax_0r

No, it won't, who has Iran's back as far as military goes? (Enough to cause a global war atleast? Dun think so).



You mean Iran? It's always a threat when entering a hostile nation that you will encounter terrorism.



If he does not care, why would he let our government shovel out 98 Billion dollars this year to rebuild Iraq. We could leave right now and say screw you, but we don't.

And what oil? Why would we go there for oil. People who keep saying Iraq was for oil don't look at the whole picture. Just look at the money the war has costed vs the money oil has brought us/Iraqi oil will ever bring us. Hrm, which one is bigged- I wonder. With the money we spent on the war in Iraq, we could have researched an alternative fuel source to replace oil and probably get enough resources to get a jump start on the market of the item.

Arguing with you (stalingrad is like arguing with a brick wall with down syndrome) I'm done. You have lost yet don't see it. You do not understand economics in the least and don't realize how nothing backs our money but our word. Nor do you see that so long as we shove out money from the mints it doesn't matter how much we spend. Spending money does not constitute care in the least. Hmmm you shove 98 billion dollars out to get twice or three times that amount from oil.... that is sad you wouldn't realize that. Chris I have to say that was pretty farking funny "are you and kellimus the same person!?" LOL

Well you did respond to my post specifically talking to kellimus and used words like "I" so what am I suppose to think? ;p;

Plus gas prices are rising, and no we aren't taking any oil from Iraq and don't give me any haliburton bull shiz, no proof of connection between America and Iraqi oil...

If there was so much proof of your claims Bush would already be impeached, fire works would be going off, trumpets would sound and we would all be dead. /sarcasm

I have lost? At what? Debating to two people who like to flame more than talk about the issue at hand? Or those who use information sources that are always anti-iraqi occupation or want the USA to be destroyed as a whole? Yeah, ok, I lost. (I'm really starting to get tired of talking about Global issues with people who think the US government was behind 9/11, bloody CT's).

EDIT: Oh yeah, that the 98 Billion is the money for the rebuilding of Iraq alone, not the occupation force cost. I already mentioned that but you like to go on the attack in discussions like these.

Do you understand Supply And Demand?

I will now teach, well, explain it to you:

Iraq has Oil. America wants Oil. Iraq get's smart. Boosts up price for Oil because they SUPPLY it. America get's angry, and pays the extra because they DEMAND the Oil. America's gas prices go up.

Now. Was that hard? Seriously. It's ALL supply and demand. Basic Economics.

And you do realize, that Republicans hold the majority of Congress, don't you? Which means: "We know Bush is doing illegal shiz, but we don't care/can't do anything because the Speaker of the House is wang Cheney who is also the Vice President who is also the one that got us in there who is also running the government."

Seriously. Just look at all the facts. Look at who controls the Senate. Look at who is in charge of the Senate. Look who the Vice President is... Can't you see how far they've pulled the wool over your eyes? For all we know, Cheyney could be a puppet for Bush Sr, since Sr couldn't finish what he started.

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*Shakes head* Your definition of flame is pathetic.

Someone: "You don't know what you're taking about"
You: "OMG YOU FLAMED ME! FLAMER!"

Seriously. Get over yourself. Euro is the only one out of us two that is flaming. If that! If you want to get technical, you flamed me by calling me blind. Do you see me whining about it? No. Because i'm not stuck on myself, and I don't create fabrications within my mind, like you love to do. Grow some conehos for a change, FFS. You whine more than anyone on this forum. (Omg! I said you whine! Report me, report me! I'm flaming! No. If anything, I'm trolling you right now. But if the truth really does hurt that much, then report me.)

And I find it funny, how you call us Conspiracy Theorists. Has it ever occured to you, to open your mind? Oops.. That phrase doesn't seem to be in your vocabulary, now does it? Open your mind.. Hmm... What could this mean... Oh! I know! Maybe if you would consider that maybe it's possible that Bush really is decieving the nation, you could be open minded.

But nope. You neglect anything that is said against him.. Yet, you tell us you don't support him. Which is it then? You don't support him, but you retort against ANYTHING said about him... That's a double-edged sword right there... Also known as hypocricy, my dear StalingradK (Heh. Nice Russian-based name. Are you a commie? You seem to have ideals like one)

And now this brings me to ask you a question. Do you know what The Patriot Act is? If you do, you do know that it takes our bill of rights, and infringes the freedoms it gives us.. Do you not? Want to know what their excuse is? Terrorism.

Ah, but wait right there! Let us read a great quote, by one of our founding fathers:

Ah yes. Benjamin Franklin. Guess what he is saying there? "They that can give up essential liberty (Our basic fundimental rights.. Also known as The Bill Of Rights) to obtain a little temporary saftey (The Patriot Act), deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Basically: You touch The Bill Of Rights, you deserve no rights. Exactly what Bush, has done.

If you know anything about history, you will know that our country was founded by scholars, war heros, and philosophers. So they KNEW what they were doing.

James Madison, considered the Father of the constitution, researched the Democracy of the Greeks, and the Republic of the Romans, in order to create the Checks And Balances system that our Constitution is based off of. Guess what The Patriot Act does? Destroys the Checks And Balances system.

On a side note, look what The Patriot Act allows the government to do:

Uh oh. What does that do? It infringes the most fundimental of The Bill Of Rights: Privacy.

I know what you're saying right now at this moment: "You're off topic! I report you, blah!"

Maybe to you I am off topic. But I just explained to you WHY me and Euro are "Conspiracy Theorists" and showed you how far the wool is over your eyes. Oopsie. Didn't mean to hurt your ego.

Well, okay. Maybe I did.

Oh and um, good sir, P.S: You attack ME more than anything. So please just be quiet, and quit being a hypocritical and egotistical ignorant Bush thumper.

Thank you.

Look at how our country was before Parties.

That's what liberty is.

We get our oil from Saudi Arabia, South America, and Canada, and from home, and then many other smaller countries but those are the big names.

The senate doesn't control our oil companies, nor do they control the suppliers of oil in other countries.

And I think its impossible to debate any one about the government if that person doesn't trust the government or give it the benefit of the doubt.

Now where did I say the government controlls the Oil Companies?

No where.

But! Look at the Speaker of the House. wang Cheney. Look at the Vice President. wang Cheney. Which means, he has control over The Senate, and some control in the White House.

And did you know he used to be part of an international Oil Company? They gave him 19 million dollars for quitting, too.

StalingradK, he sends money to rebuild to calm down the situation, to look better in the eyes of people, it's politics man. if he REALLY CARED, he could kill Saddam with the help of secret service & not brake in with war, throwing Iraq 50 years of progress back.

interesting answer chris though its funny how ben franklin, thomas jefferson, and many other 'fore fathers' did not trust the new government either. I believe a few had some quotes on how it would eventually turn out, and/or how only true americans do not trust the government. Let me look for that. But if thats so, looksl ike your not a true american, as I have thought for a long time.

True americans are those who question authority, who bid for peace over war, who will not fight unless provoked (and no we were not provoked with Iraq, only afghanistan.) If they had not questioned authority back in theday we'd all be eating fish and chips.

So just because a prick has some power, he has complete control over all the people who make the country's decisions? Ok, that makes a lot of sense.



Except we are doing more than we need to do. We already shoved out more money than we had to. And no he really couldn't because many of Saddams supporters would just replace him maybe with an even bigger @$$hole.




I do question authority, it's not like I go, oh man they said we gotta bomb Iraq then Iran, let's do it! I've looked at both sides and the side to go to war made a lot more sense. Who bid peace over war? Even if people suffer and die? We do not just have responsibility as a country, but as a human race, what do you think the UN was made for. When our people get mistreated we should get them out of that situation. Or when a leader is a threat to other countries, we should take them out.



Ok, so just because someone disagrees with you in one issue, you have to steriotype them into a whole group that is completely obedient to their superiors. Don't try to make yourself all high and mighty because you disagree with someone different from yourself.

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So just because a prick has some power, he has complete control over all the people who make the country's decisions? Ok, that makes a lot of sense.



Except we are doing more than we need to do. We already shoved out more money than we had to. And no he really couldn't because many of Saddams supporters would just replace him maybe with an even bigger @$$hole.




I do question authority, it's not like I go, oh man they said we gotta bomb Iraq then Iran, let's do it! I've looked at both sides and the side to go to war made a lot more sense. Who bid peace over war? Even if people suffer and die? We do not just have responsibility as a country, but as a human race, what do you think the UN was made for. When our people get mistreated we should get them out of that situation. Or when a leader is a threat to other countries, we should take them out.



Ok, so just because someone disagrees with you in one issue, you have to steriotype them into a whole group that is completely obedient to their superiors. Don't try to make yourself all high and mighty because you disagree with someone different from yourself.

"He who has the money, makes the rules"

Stalingrad, you sing the same old tune to the same old questions that have been answered time and time again. Because someone shells out the cash doesn't mean they care. Any schmuck can see that.. well except someone here.... no fingers. The side with war NEVER makes sense. NEVER is it alright to kill someone. NEVER is it alright to drop bombs. NEVER. period.

Why was the UN created? Simple. Control. If you have everyone fearing an attack by the UN, which is every other nation against them, then no one will bid for control. Effectively leaving those in power to stay in power. The UN is a means for control. Mass control. Do you know who originally came up with the League of Nations? woodrow wilson. Did you know that he was a white supremecist who openly vetoed a black civil rights bill? That him along with J Edgar Hoover tried to destroy the civil right movement. And both sought to get more and remain in power? You probably did not. In fact you can look it up yourself. Hoover had Martin Luther King wiretapped, had a sex tape of him (Im assuming with another women) to him with a suggestion to kill himself. You may not like to see the truth, but the cold hard truth is America isn't about freedom and integrity. In fact they are only for those things so long as they end up being profitable.

"Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpation” - James Madison

“Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is man's original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” - Oscar Wilde

“If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.” - George Washington

“War - An act of violence whose object is to constrain the enemy, to accomplish our will.” - George Washington

“Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism” - George Washington

I will let you take your own side on these quotes.

I could say the same for you.



So they are willing to sacrifice others' lives and their money just to get oil? (And to make a quick profit according to you?) Yeah, ok, sure.



No, it's not, but if you can find another alternative to Diplomacy when that fails, tell me, tell everyone, save some lives.



Duh, how do you think today's world remains in the state of "peace" it does now? The threat of being attacked. Why do you think countries have secret weapons floating in foreign waters that no one can find and the enemy countries know about but they can't find either? The fear of unleashing attacks against each other keeps the modern world together in the state it is in today. So now you don't really have countries fighting with other countries, you have mostly groups of people fighting against other groups in their own country. Civil conflicts are so common outside of the Western world now.

The UN mainly serves for this purpose, but another duty is to keep human rights around the world in control, but recently that is getting harder and harder.



What's your bloody point?



Yes it is, just because you don't like the fact that we invaded a country YOU didn't feel needed to be invaded, doesn't mean the thought about this country you had before isn't really there at all.

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God, you keep bringing up these facts that don't mean a damn about Iraq, just the cruelty and pain this world has and had to offer.

A man has got to make money some where. My dad was vice President of Fox sports north west, but he doesn't work there any more, now does that make him a bad person? No, I think you maybe a little bias against oil companies if you imply that they are bad.



But did they give the government the benefit of the doubt? When our fore fathers were debating on whether to revolt against the British or not they gave it A LOT of thought. It just sounds from your post that most anything from the government that you hear about you think is bad. Thats why you can question and think about the governments actions, but still give it the benefit of the doubt until it is seen that the government's decesion was correct or not.

I would think thats responsible reasoning.



Wouldn't you be responsible for the thousands of deaths of your own people becuase you decided not to fight and/or defend your nation becuase you didn't believe in killing/war? (As in your the leader of a country)

You never stated the above statement but you should think about it. I think lethal force is necessary in some situations.

How can you be biased, when facts prove it? Why were we in Desert Storm Chris? To save Kuwait from Iraq. And for why? OIL. How do I know this? Look at Economics. Supply and Demand. Kuwait sold us OIL for cheap. What would happen if Iraq got control of Kuwait? Higher OIL prices.

It's quiet obvious to see these things, so why don't you people?

And I agree. In SOME situations. This situation we are in now, is not one of them. We should not have invaded Iraq to begin with.

And besides. SCUDs have been in Iraq for 15ish years. Why didn't we do anything about it until another BUSH got into office?

The UN wanted to protect Kuwait, its called protecting another UN member, thats what the UN is for. Iraq took over Kuwait for OIL, complain to old Iraq, not US. The US is not the UN.

We had a Democrate in office between Bushs. -.-

Which is EXACTLY, my farking point.

It's quite obvious that any Republican is a war monger because all they care about is MONEY.

Nixon: Vietnam
Bush Sr: Desert Storm
Bush Jr: "War On Terror", "Operation Iraq Freedom", "War Against Terrorism" (Whichever phrase they've dubbed it now)

Yes, there were two wars in which Democrats were president:

World War I: Woodrow Wilson
World War II: Frankin Deleno Rosavelt

But guess what? We didn't just stomp right into the war like you damn Republican pigs do. We wait for A REASON to.

And I ask you this Chris: Why do you use the UN as a scapegoat? Every war that you include the UN in, there is ONE MAJOR PREDOMINATE FORCE included. And that is the United States.

So anyone with a brain can realise that your using the UN as a scapegoat, is rather pathetic, weak, and plain retarded. Quit using them as escapees to the US's evergrowing problem.

Vietnam? lol Johson, a Democrate!
Don't give no Nixon bullshiz

By your logic just becuase we had the most troops on the ground we are at fault? Nice one, very nice.

Clinton allowed Osoma to rise to power, 1992-2000 he did little to nothing and didn't do enough with Iraq.

LOL Woodrow Wilson lied to the public!!! haha
He promised to NOT enter WW1 to the public during his election year. But once he was elected he quickly entered the US into war.

Still no proof we are taking oil from Iraq, so just drop that failed Arguement.

UN my friend, the UN.

Wait a sec, the UN waited for a reason too, oh wait mmm Iraq invaded Kuwait? lol dude just drop it man, an American is an American...