Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2006-10-11 at 20:46:41
Wouldn't people make 2nd or 3rd accounts to raise them up to the point they get karma just to give themselves karma?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-10-11 at 21:16:05
QUOTE(IsolatedPurity @ Oct 11 2006, 07:46 PM)
Wouldn't people make 2nd or 3rd accounts to raise them up to the point they get karma just to give themselves karma?
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If up to member titles isn't long enough to wait for people to get their original Karma, increase the limit. Or you could do automatic IP checks / member IP logs. Matches alert the Karma enforcement squad. (AKA You and your GMods.)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-10-11 at 21:32:54
QUOTE(IsolatedPurity @ Oct 12 2006, 12:46 AM)
Wouldn't people make 2nd or 3rd accounts to raise them up to the point they get karma just to give themselves karma?
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Ya if they wanted to get banned..unless you'll let them off like you did to Gamma.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-10-11 at 21:59:53
QUOTE(IsolatedPurity @ Oct 11 2006, 08:18 AM)
DTBK, the hacker issue is a serious issue that you just can't overcome.
Cheeze: Haha... I stated something before about using log's on the sen age... so it would only make so much difference. I think DTBK actually yelled at me for loving the log-effect on variables.
DTBK, this is like the 10th time you posted this... I'm actually starting to get annoyed. Respect is not a number.
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Cheeze: Haha... I stated something before about using log's on the sen age... so it would only make so much difference. I think DTBK actually yelled at me for loving the log-effect on variables.
DTBK, this is like the 10th time you posted this... I'm actually starting to get annoyed. Respect is not a number.
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I had nothing wrong with using a log function; but I do see a need for some decrease if your posts per day go to high insanity.
QUOTE(IsolatedPurity @ Oct 11 2006, 01:26 PM)
There will be no regulars / elites... it defeats the point of the equation in the first place.
There will be no cummantive posts... and like Tux said, you can't judge a post quality by a given length (and in a given forum). It's existance in v5 would just be the same existance if I put your equation into v5: something fun to look at (and even so, I planned on getting rid of c. posts).
There will be no admin rating... unless you factor in the amount of logs a person generated (as there will be no warns). But doing that is also flawed.
There will be no member rating from 1 to 10.
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There will be no cummantive posts... and like Tux said, you can't judge a post quality by a given length (and in a given forum). It's existance in v5 would just be the same existance if I put your equation into v5: something fun to look at (and even so, I planned on getting rid of c. posts).
There will be no admin rating... unless you factor in the amount of logs a person generated (as there will be no warns). But doing that is also flawed.
There will be no member rating from 1 to 10.
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And with the beauracracy dies any real incentive for members to better than others.
QUOTE(Centreri @ Oct 11 2006, 02:39 PM)
Doesn't mean you didn't care about your status. You may not have worked actively to achieve your status, but once you achieve elite, which is 5 times better then regular, everyone feels proud that they have been on a 5k+ member community for 2+ years and have finally reached the highest rank they could without becoming a staff member.
It's not hard to implement, there's only about 5 elites, so you can add them manually.
If I did everything correctly, I got 888.36, which I'm sure is impossible if Zeratul got ~700 and a large percentage of other people got 1000+. Your formula is messed up, DTBK.
In the second part, you write (c-6)^2. That must be a flaw because if your post per day is less then 6, then your value for that starts increasing. I have 2 posts per day. 2-6 = 4, 4^2 = 16. If I had 3 posts per day, (3-6)^2 would be 9. So having a tiny post per day would work more to your advantage, unless you have a 12+ post per day.
Next, when you write (d-5)/2 * (3e/4), what am I to assume? Badly placed ('s, this is probably where I went wrong. You find d-5 first, then divide by 2, then multiply all that by 3e/4? Then you add that to b/10 and 1.4a?
I find it reallygay wrong that your stay at SEN counts so much more then your posts per day. I understand where you're coming from, that if you're older more people will know you, but if this is true then an idiot who registered at day 1 and posted 5 times could have a significantly larger reputation then someone who registered not too long ago but was a very active poster.
The member rating seems to be very miniscule, so miniscule that you should either increase its value or remove it altogether. Just extra coding. And you should definitely remove that amount of people who rated you. It would be a popularity contest, everyone would rate people they like but not rate people they don't like.
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It's not hard to implement, there's only about 5 elites, so you can add them manually.
If I did everything correctly, I got 888.36, which I'm sure is impossible if Zeratul got ~700 and a large percentage of other people got 1000+. Your formula is messed up, DTBK.
In the second part, you write (c-6)^2. That must be a flaw because if your post per day is less then 6, then your value for that starts increasing. I have 2 posts per day. 2-6 = 4, 4^2 = 16. If I had 3 posts per day, (3-6)^2 would be 9. So having a tiny post per day would work more to your advantage, unless you have a 12+ post per day.
Next, when you write (d-5)/2 * (3e/4), what am I to assume? Badly placed ('s, this is probably where I went wrong. You find d-5 first, then divide by 2, then multiply all that by 3e/4? Then you add that to b/10 and 1.4a?
I find it really
The member rating seems to be very miniscule, so miniscule that you should either increase its value or remove it altogether. Just extra coding. And you should definitely remove that amount of people who rated you. It would be a popularity contest, everyone would rate people they like but not rate people they don't like.
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See below..
QUOTE(IsolatedPurity @ Oct 11 2006, 03:14 PM)
[(-1/20) (c-6)^2 + 2]
0 ppd = 36... -36/20 + 2 = 4/20
2 ppd = 16... -16/20 + 2 = 1 4/20
3 ppd = 9... -9/20 + 2 = 1 11/20
6 ppd = 2
9 pdd = 1 11/20
12 ppd = 36... = 4/20
I believe the aim is to have 6 ppd... Unless I figured that out wrong.
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0 ppd = 36... -36/20 + 2 = 4/20
2 ppd = 16... -16/20 + 2 = 1 4/20
3 ppd = 9... -9/20 + 2 = 1 11/20
6 ppd = 2
9 pdd = 1 11/20
12 ppd = 36... = 4/20
I believe the aim is to have 6 ppd... Unless I figured that out wrong.
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I desparately beg for this to run in v4 for this reason: People continually trash this system because their math skills are atrocious and they have no clue how it works.
To adress a few things:
-1/20 (c-6)[sup]2[/sup] + 2 is a CONCAVE DOWN PARABOLA with a VERTEX at (6,2). Values for a Posts Per Day multiplier will increase on the inerval [0,6) and decrease on the interval (6,∞), going below zero at about 12.4.
This means that for any reasonable posts per day, the higher your activity, the higher the multiplier. However, one who spams like heck for posts will have a lower multiplier if their ppd exceeds the "ideal" 6. The reason 6 presides as an "ideal" number is because it is far above that of any active poster on SEN, and thus represents a level at which a person begins to be excessive.
The Member Rating part of the formula follows the standard algebraic Order of Operations and should be unsterstood easily. With 150 members rating you, which is about 50% of SEN's active member base, your average rating plays a factor about half again as much as your post count, but not as much as your age.
Before you baselessly attack my system, PLEASE a) CHECK YOUR MATH and b) produce an example of a member where the system gives a misleading value.
Now, to IP:
It seems that we have a differing of philosophy. Right now, you think that the beauracracy is flawed, and therefore seek to remove it entirely. I don't know what magic system will hold up the class structure on v5, but it seems like you plan for it to rely on the personal knowledge of the Staff, if anything. I would like to say now that such a system is impossible. You and I and Moose cannot possibly know and deal with every member of this site on a personal level. An automated system of some sort is needed to prop up a rigid society that people strive to advance in.
Without such striving for achievement, many members will lose the incentive to be active. Thus, an automatic system of ranking is really needed.
Now, I agree that this system is not perfect, but I think it is a very good system, and members will be hard-pressed to cheat it. I think that we should let it go right now in v4 to test my theories about my system's infaliablity in a practical test.
Finally, I frankly can't see the logic behind your abolition of things such as Cumulative Posts and member groups. Posts have been a time-honored and much-successful way of gaguing a member's quality; and numbers generated by a system are the only way a new member can really grasp who is who.
In conclusion, I can't help but to stridently object to the removal of post counts and the categorical refusal of any system with which to automatically rate members. I strongly suggest that this system be put on v4 in a practical demonstration to its usefulness so that people can see it in action without relying on their flawed math.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2006-10-11 at 22:39:26
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Without such striving for achievement, many members will lose the incentive to be active.
Oh wow... dtbk... wow oh wow...
How about: because they enjoy the topics... or they enjoy helping and sharing knowledge... or they like the help they are getting.... because people like to communicate?
Some people... Maplantis people... want to do away with the "Other" forums all together. Why is that? You are bordering on the extreme opposite of those people... encouraging activity through advancement of member status?
You are so close to finding the reason why it all should disappear anyways...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-10-11 at 22:44:40
If this was the small community of mature members it once was, I would have no qualms with the abolition of beauracracy.
The sad thing is, no, people will not be inclined to post in a sensible or mature manner just because it is the sensible and mature thing to do. Some people will, but nowhere near a majority.
SEN just isn't a community that is incorruptible and good at heart.
The sad thing is, no, people will not be inclined to post in a sensible or mature manner just because it is the sensible and mature thing to do. Some people will, but nowhere near a majority.
SEN just isn't a community that is incorruptible and good at heart.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2006-10-11 at 22:48:34
I'm getting ready for work and I could say more, but I don't have the time.
One question: Then why appeal to those who want to spam for advancement? Why give any reason what so ever to post without the best reason to?
One question: Then why appeal to those who want to spam for advancement? Why give any reason what so ever to post without the best reason to?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-10-11 at 22:57:06
The simple lack of a small and close-knit society requires an impartial and human-free way of attmepting to rate a member.
The system does a simple mechanical best to rate someone on the quality of their posts for the following reasons:
1) The current post-length and such Cumulative Post system requires posts to be in certain forums and of a certain length to count as Cumulative Posts. While this in no means guarantees post quality, from getting on a year of experience, it is extremely difficult to continually post long and low-quality posts without getting punished directly for spamming (which causes post-count deductions, and a staff rating deduction in the system).
2) In addition to the moderately decent Post Count system, my reputation system takes into account the fact that too many posts per day will drop your rating - stopping a member that somehow evades both the Cumulative Post system and staff vigilance easy reputation points.
3) Finally, the my system includes a Member Rating which should nominally reflect the post quality of a member.
This mix of the function Cumulative Post system (which actually works rather well), staff vigilance, punishment for overactivity, and community vigilance by member ratings combine to do what I feel is a very good automatic approximation of a member's reputation.
The system does a simple mechanical best to rate someone on the quality of their posts for the following reasons:
1) The current post-length and such Cumulative Post system requires posts to be in certain forums and of a certain length to count as Cumulative Posts. While this in no means guarantees post quality, from getting on a year of experience, it is extremely difficult to continually post long and low-quality posts without getting punished directly for spamming (which causes post-count deductions, and a staff rating deduction in the system).
2) In addition to the moderately decent Post Count system, my reputation system takes into account the fact that too many posts per day will drop your rating - stopping a member that somehow evades both the Cumulative Post system and staff vigilance easy reputation points.
3) Finally, the my system includes a Member Rating which should nominally reflect the post quality of a member.
This mix of the function Cumulative Post system (which actually works rather well), staff vigilance, punishment for overactivity, and community vigilance by member ratings combine to do what I feel is a very good automatic approximation of a member's reputation.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pie_Sniper on 2006-10-11 at 23:21:05
Large communities can thrive without strange ways to determine whether a post is a post or not, member groups, and rating systems. It takes very little time to see who are the major members of the community.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2006-10-12 at 00:53:54
DTBK, I don't know what you judge a person on... but like Pie was just stating, you can tell who's who without any equation. Just like how people are all like "wait for Doodan to respond" to relationship threads...
Just what is the point of having regular or elite status?
Just what is the point of having regular or elite status?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-10-12 at 01:43:28
Believe me, people will feel better about coming to SEN and being helpful to the community if they feel they get something back for it.
It would be nice to actually rate people based on pure post quality, but that is really a practical impossibility.
All I really ask for now is a trial run on v4 to see how balanced the system is. I want to say it's a really good system, but without a practical test, I can't be sure.
All in all, my biggest concern is that I think the regular-elite advancement needs to be kept so people feel that the community is giving back to them for being loyal and long-standing members of SEN. It is, by now, a time-honored tradition.
It would be nice to actually rate people based on pure post quality, but that is really a practical impossibility.
All I really ask for now is a trial run on v4 to see how balanced the system is. I want to say it's a really good system, but without a practical test, I can't be sure.
All in all, my biggest concern is that I think the regular-elite advancement needs to be kept so people feel that the community is giving back to them for being loyal and long-standing members of SEN. It is, by now, a time-honored tradition.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Revelade on 2006-10-12 at 02:58:33
QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Oct 12 2006, 12:43 AM)
Believe me, people will feel better about coming to SEN and being helpful to the community if they feel they get something back for it.
It would be nice to actually rate people based on pure post quality, but that is really a practical impossibility.
All I really ask for now is a trial run on v4 to see how balanced the system is. I want to say it's a really good system, but without a practical test, I can't be sure.
All in all, my biggest concern is that I think the regular-elite advancement needs to be kept so people feel that the community is giving back to them for being loyal and long-standing members of SEN. It is, by now, a time-honored tradition.
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It would be nice to actually rate people based on pure post quality, but that is really a practical impossibility.
All I really ask for now is a trial run on v4 to see how balanced the system is. I want to say it's a really good system, but without a practical test, I can't be sure.
All in all, my biggest concern is that I think the regular-elite advancement needs to be kept so people feel that the community is giving back to them for being loyal and long-standing members of SEN. It is, by now, a time-honored tradition.
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Even though I'm a mod, I still post like I would if I wasn't. Do I act in order to be repaid? No, I'm myself.
Post quality? What are YOUR definitions here? I don't want people to feel afraid of posting at all, because that kills the point: discussion. Some people might feel a post is good or bad, but that's subjective. The day people are judged on subjective terms is the day a dictatorship arises.
As much as I know that I'm within the first 100 people who joined, I don't want to wear a badge superiority around here. Basing rewards on age doesn't seem to be the best option. But of course, the question is do we really need a reward system? Do we really need to "rate" people?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2006-10-12 at 03:10:33
QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Oct 11 2006, 11:43 PM)
Believe me, people will feel better about coming to SEN and being helpful to the community if they feel they get something back for it.
Helping people to feel good about yourself is the wrong reason to help people. Like the celebs who go to africa to "help people" and then broadcast it on national TV... "look at me"... are retards... True gifts are given anonymously.
DTBK, I made up my mind about this issue... there is no changing it. I'm stubborn
. Continuing to push this is a waste of time.Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2006-10-12 at 03:43:50
To be perfectly honest, I was one such member that DTBK speaks of. When I had 200 posts oh-so-long ago, I was dying to be a Regular. I didn't force myself to post more than I should have, but I really really really wanted that dumb green name and extra PM space. Perhaps its naive, but whatever.
Its the same way clans work basically. You do more to get a higher rank. In this case I was posting more to become a Regular - and now that I'm 20 posts away from Elite, I'm also in that same mentality where I really want that gold name and self-gratification. Again, it may be dumb but for some reason achieving that status actually means something to me.
Its the same way clans work basically. You do more to get a higher rank. In this case I was posting more to become a Regular - and now that I'm 20 posts away from Elite, I'm also in that same mentality where I really want that gold name and self-gratification. Again, it may be dumb but for some reason achieving that status actually means something to me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2006-10-12 at 03:59:57
A gold name is just a token of what you and many people already know... you have that many posts, have been here that long (and even better, have 0 warns ). Showing your post count / sen age / whatever in your profile/mini profile should be enough rather than a gold name showing you made x posts over y length in certain forums.
). Showing your post count / sen age / whatever in your profile/mini profile should be enough rather than a gold name showing you made x posts over y length in certain forums.Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2006-10-12 at 04:02:48
Well you know what?! I'm gonna enjoy my gold name* whether you like it or not!
*Note: Having not yet achieved the rank of "Elite," I'm just going to assume that I will enjoy it.
*Note: Having not yet achieved the rank of "Elite," I'm just going to assume that I will enjoy it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-10-12 at 10:35:26
Yeah, there are counterexamples like Revelade, but the majority of the community is like Devlin.
Whatever....
Whatever....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DiscipleOfAdun on 2006-10-12 at 13:01:21
You know, I can't help but add in my comments on this.
First of all, I'm going to address the regular/elite question with one simple little thing. For me, and assumedly for others, there is a great benefit to advancing. I happened to have almost completely filled my PM inbox and my upload space before I became a regular. And I know that I didn't use either as much as I could have until I was awarded regular status. Sure, the colored name is cool, but it's the extra stuff that comes with it that really matters. As for the colored name, it's easier to see who's got a colored name than search through members to see their post counts, even if I have an idea who to trust.
Second, the problems with the normal regular/elite advancement. Several of them, to be sure. Mainly, you'll get people spamming to get there(although you staff do good jobs against that). Another thing - just because someone does happen to have a colored name, doesn't mean they know everything. Especially with elites(no offense), but it seems a bit lacking judgement to just accept what they say. This doesn't mean that they don't know what they are talking about, I just happen to believe that trusting a title isn't a smart thing.
Next, anything about rating systems. It might give a good indication, but who's to know? I personally think DTBK's system won't give a good representation of knowledge of a person. It's too based on other things to work well. I checked out my rating just as a point for this(a little silver bullet or such for you).
Using:
a = 333(from July 27, 2005 to today)
b = 371
c = 0.8
d = 8(let's be realistic here)
e = 100
f = 1.000(not every staff likes me, I know)
(1.000 * {[1.4(333) + 371/10 + (8-5)/2 * (3(100)/4)] * [ -1/20 * (.8-6)^2 + 2]}
(466.2 + 37.1 + 112.5)(.648)
400
Let's take some caution with this:
1 - I'm a modder, not a mapper. I don't have too much to say some times. Also, I don't just post in every topic I see, there's no point in that. So I don't blame my low ppd count. I don't care. Ask any of the staff who mods, you'll(hopefully) find out that I know what I'm talking about when I do post.
2 - Just because I don't post often doesn't mean I'm not on sen. I happen to be on quite a bit. Dunno why this should matter, but it does.
3 - I've not been here for too long. A little over a year. Fine, factor that in. Sure, amount of time should be important. It's about the only reason I get much of any score.
However, I don't think this is accurate enough. Ask around, I'm worth more than the 400 your system gives me.
Final notes:
1. Rating a member isn't an easy process, I know. I doubt that any formula can be created which will give an accurate representation. Sure, you can have people rate the member, but then you get the option of someone getting a group of members unhappy enough to trash their rating.
2. I never did like the regular/elite system. Sure, some members are better than others, but regular/elite doesn't tell you who. Don't get me wrong, I love having more space, but my first(and still) thought is that it promotes a feeling of elitism amongst the members.
3. Even though I didn't like the idea of the system, I played. I tried to hit regular, even if it meant extra posts. I'll be honest, I needed the space. I'm not sharing my 'tactic' with you, but it didn't get me warned, it didn't get anything deleted, it was perfectly within the bounds of the rules that SEN has, yet it still wasn't fair.
4. My math skills are very good and I still dislike the system. It's not because I have a low score either. I disliked it when I first saw it, and hadn't any clue what I would get. I just don't think the representation is good.
5. Cumulative posts. Why not keep them? I happen to think that they and the forums they count in give a moderate representation that is helpful if someone goes looking. Using them in a formula = no, because each person interprets them differently.
That's all I have to say.
First of all, I'm going to address the regular/elite question with one simple little thing. For me, and assumedly for others, there is a great benefit to advancing. I happened to have almost completely filled my PM inbox and my upload space before I became a regular. And I know that I didn't use either as much as I could have until I was awarded regular status. Sure, the colored name is cool, but it's the extra stuff that comes with it that really matters. As for the colored name, it's easier to see who's got a colored name than search through members to see their post counts, even if I have an idea who to trust.
Second, the problems with the normal regular/elite advancement. Several of them, to be sure. Mainly, you'll get people spamming to get there(although you staff do good jobs against that). Another thing - just because someone does happen to have a colored name, doesn't mean they know everything. Especially with elites(no offense), but it seems a bit lacking judgement to just accept what they say. This doesn't mean that they don't know what they are talking about, I just happen to believe that trusting a title isn't a smart thing.
Next, anything about rating systems. It might give a good indication, but who's to know? I personally think DTBK's system won't give a good representation of knowledge of a person. It's too based on other things to work well. I checked out my rating just as a point for this(a little silver bullet or such for you).
Using:
a = 333(from July 27, 2005 to today)
b = 371
c = 0.8
d = 8(let's be realistic here)
e = 100
f = 1.000(not every staff likes me, I know)
(1.000 * {[1.4(333) + 371/10 + (8-5)/2 * (3(100)/4)] * [ -1/20 * (.8-6)^2 + 2]}
(466.2 + 37.1 + 112.5)(.648)
400
Let's take some caution with this:
1 - I'm a modder, not a mapper. I don't have too much to say some times. Also, I don't just post in every topic I see, there's no point in that. So I don't blame my low ppd count. I don't care. Ask any of the staff who mods, you'll(hopefully) find out that I know what I'm talking about when I do post.
2 - Just because I don't post often doesn't mean I'm not on sen. I happen to be on quite a bit. Dunno why this should matter, but it does.
3 - I've not been here for too long. A little over a year. Fine, factor that in. Sure, amount of time should be important. It's about the only reason I get much of any score.
However, I don't think this is accurate enough. Ask around, I'm worth more than the 400 your system gives me.
Final notes:
1. Rating a member isn't an easy process, I know. I doubt that any formula can be created which will give an accurate representation. Sure, you can have people rate the member, but then you get the option of someone getting a group of members unhappy enough to trash their rating.
2. I never did like the regular/elite system. Sure, some members are better than others, but regular/elite doesn't tell you who. Don't get me wrong, I love having more space, but my first(and still) thought is that it promotes a feeling of elitism amongst the members.
3. Even though I didn't like the idea of the system, I played. I tried to hit regular, even if it meant extra posts. I'll be honest, I needed the space. I'm not sharing my 'tactic' with you, but it didn't get me warned, it didn't get anything deleted, it was perfectly within the bounds of the rules that SEN has, yet it still wasn't fair.
4. My math skills are very good and I still dislike the system. It's not because I have a low score either. I disliked it when I first saw it, and hadn't any clue what I would get. I just don't think the representation is good.
5. Cumulative posts. Why not keep them? I happen to think that they and the forums they count in give a moderate representation that is helpful if someone goes looking. Using them in a formula = no, because each person interprets them differently.
That's all I have to say.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2006-10-12 at 13:31:10
The extra space you desire will be buyable with minerals... like I previously stated either in this thread or a similiar thread... Your activity on SEN gets you minerals... minerals can get you what you want (extra pm space, attachment space, or change in shout color... whatever you want or love the most). With the time it would take a new member to get to regular status, I would assume they would have gotten enough minerals by posting to buy all the benefits that regulars get over members now.
I'm done posting in this topic. You're just going to have to trust me DTBK.
I'm done posting in this topic
. You're just going to have to trust me DTBK.Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-10-12 at 14:33:07
Hmmm, Moose sees a solution to problems of both sides. Expect a revised edition of Moose's system. 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-10-12 at 15:35:26
QUOTE(Mini Moose 2707 @ Oct 12 2006, 06:32 PM)
Hmmm, Moose sees a solution to problems of both sides. Expect a revised edition of Moose's system.
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Moose you ruined it
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-10-12 at 17:10:31
QUOTE(DTBK)
I desparately beg for this to run in v4 for this reason: People continually trash this system because their math skills are atrocious and they have no clue how it works.
To adress a few things:
-1/20 (c-6)2 + 2 is a CONCAVE DOWN PARABOLA with a VERTEX at (6,2). Values for a Posts Per Day multiplier will increase on the inerval [0,6) and decrease on the interval (6,∞), going below zero at about 12.4.
This means that for any reasonable posts per day, the higher your activity, the higher the multiplier. However, one who spams like heck for posts will have a lower multiplier if their ppd exceeds the "ideal" 6. The reason 6 presides as an "ideal" number is because it is far above that of any active poster on SEN, and thus represents a level at which a person begins to be excessive.
The Member Rating part of the formula follows the standard algebraic Order of Operations and should be unsterstood easily. With 150 members rating you, which is about 50% of SEN's active member base, your average rating plays a factor about half again as much as your post count, but not as much as your age.
Before you baselessly attack my system, PLEASE a) CHECK YOUR MATH and b) produce an example of a member where the system gives a misleading value.
To adress a few things:
-1/20 (c-6)2 + 2 is a CONCAVE DOWN PARABOLA with a VERTEX at (6,2). Values for a Posts Per Day multiplier will increase on the inerval [0,6) and decrease on the interval (6,∞), going below zero at about 12.4.
This means that for any reasonable posts per day, the higher your activity, the higher the multiplier. However, one who spams like heck for posts will have a lower multiplier if their ppd exceeds the "ideal" 6. The reason 6 presides as an "ideal" number is because it is far above that of any active poster on SEN, and thus represents a level at which a person begins to be excessive.
The Member Rating part of the formula follows the standard algebraic Order of Operations and should be unsterstood easily. With 150 members rating you, which is about 50% of SEN's active member base, your average rating plays a factor about half again as much as your post count, but not as much as your age.
Before you baselessly attack my system, PLEASE a) CHECK YOUR MATH and b) produce an example of a member where the system gives a misleading value.
I know that it first goes up then starts going down. That's what I was saying was wrong with your formula. By putting this in you're making it so that if people post more then 6 posts per day, possibly good posts all, they're reputation will decrease, and thus removing the motivation for activity. And the parabola stuff was both obvious and irrelevant. Graphing data has nothing to do with your formula's practical errors.
And as DoA said, the reputation system is inaccurate. I'm sure 100% of the modder community here knows him, and quite probably 50% of everyone else. Everyone knows he's an awesome modder, and 400/4000 doesn't do him justice. If it doesn't work for everyone, the reputation system isn't worth using.
Even though I'm against the reputation stuff, I think it would be cool and more interesting if members could rate each other (one member can rate any person they want one time, but rate however many people they want) and be able to revise their rating whenever they wished. I don't want it to show anything like 'average rating' with every post, but it would be interesting if it was shown in the profiles of people. It's also not that hard to implement.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pie_Sniper on 2006-10-12 at 17:21:55
Well, he did miscalculate and has about 100 more days at SEN then he gave himself credit for.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2006-10-12 at 18:19:44
QUOTE(Mini Moose 2707 @ Oct 12 2006, 01:32 PM)
Hmmm, Moose sees a solution to problems of both sides. Expect a revised edition of Moose's system.
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Please. Cheeze's system is so much cooler.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-10-12 at 18:24:28
Syhon's system is lazy, at best.