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Report, edit, etc...Posted by piratepiss[mod] on 2004-07-30 at 10:08:35
i believe in evolution...all im gonna say...heh
Report, edit, etc...Posted by feiteng on 2004-07-30 at 15:56:34
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feiteng: evolution already explained how cells came from molecules. They came from an special type of molecules that were able to make new molecules likes them

This is all theory and how did the first molecule come into existance hmm.....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by linux_junkie on 2004-07-31 at 01:41:19
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All of you who believe in Evolution are idiots. How can something come out of nothing not as in molecules becoming cells but as in how even one atom exists, which is something evolution can never explain. Argue as much as you want but that is hard concrete evidence that evolution is false.


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This is all theory and how did the first molecule come into existance hmm.....


Science has already tackled these problems, and it's easily accesible knowledge. The fact that you didn't even bother to research anything to back up you post, and spout out random nonsense based off of your own intuition, is stupid. You ready for a dumbed-down explanation of how atoms came from nothing, cells came from molecules, etc? Alright, here it goes... time to slam back your ignorance at you.

First of all, the question to ask would not be how the first MOLECULE came into existence, but when the first ATOM came to be. I hope to god you've heard of the Big Bang Theory. Assuming you're not a complete retard, I'll assume you have. Well, that is when the first atom came into being. The Big Bang was a massive expansion of a singularity (a zero-dimensional point in space), and with this explosion, came large quantities of energy. To put it in simple terms, a censored.gif ing censored.gif load of energy spewed out, moreso than man will ever observe. Einstein fully covered the duality of matter/energy, so I shouldn't need to explain this anymore. But, you're obviously not the brightest fellow, so I'll continue explaining. Energy and matter are the one and the same. Matter is what energy becomes, when the energy loses it's power, so to speak. So, when this great gooey wad of energy from the Big Bang lost it's groove, it condensed into matter. In case you weren't aware, matter refers to those cooky little things called atoms. So, that would be how the first atoms came into existance. And through obvious chemical reactions, those atoms bound together to form molecules, continuously binding together to form larger and more complex molecules.

And, to explain how molecules became cells, I'll try and use my amazing "Mr. Wizard teaching kid with Down Syndrome" method. First of all, scientists have recreated the conditions present on the earth during the era prior to life on this planet. Under these conditions, scientists have observed the creation of organic molecules, completely spontaneously, proving that the conditions on earth were adequate for the creation of life from molecules. Now, organic molecules, are these wacky little bundles of atoms that are incredibly good at creating certain spiffy little chemical reactions. Now, these spiffy little chemical reactions are completely essential to the functionality of all life. Now, when these molecules met under chance, and gradually bound together, under the right conditions, they became small, primitive, bacteria. Which grew in complexity, etc, etc, until here I am today, typing an explanation dumbed-down enough for even the dimmest individual to understand. So, there we have it. It seems I am continuously the source of ownage in this thread, first to sala, an idiot to the extreme, and now a milder, but equally dull feiteng.

This ownage has been provided for you courtesy of linux_junkie.


P.S. - feiteng, before you hastily throw together some half-assed response, in which you will undoubtably call me a "fagget", at least provide me with a sound argument, and do a little research before you state your "facts". Thank you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by D3D_3ND on 2004-07-31 at 03:39:09
Some ppl have thought that we have been a creation and some think its been evolution, well ask yourself this question..What is our purpose?, what is the meaning of life?, and why are we here?. huh.gif

Edit:Nvm i think i took it too seriously disgust.gif but i will have to go with creation
Report, edit, etc...Posted by linux_junkie on 2004-07-31 at 03:58:04
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Yes, the meaning of life is quite an important question, and one that has been pondered over for millenia. Unfortunately for you, that's not what we're discussing here.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Joeman12 on 2004-07-31 at 04:04:26
Evolution. I have been trying to write a good reason y but this subject is jsut to perplexing to discuss. I dont even think anyone should discuss any more beacuse of a brain melt down. lol
Report, edit, etc...Posted by feiteng on 2004-07-31 at 13:13:35
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The Big Bang was a massive expansion of a singularity (a zero-dimensional point in space), and with this explosion, came large quantities of energy

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Energy and matter are the one and the same. Matter is what energy becomes, when the energy loses it's power, so to speak.


I think those 2 statements contradicts each other. By what you are saying you can not obtain energy without matter and vice versa. How can the big bang be created without matter in the first place then? And how can nothiness create a massive explosion? Please give me a link to where you did your research.

P.S. : This is my interpretation of your explaination, so if I got any parts wrong blame yourself.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2004-07-31 at 14:01:34
you dont' know the big bang theory? you can do the research your self for that.

and he is wrong, energy does not equal matter. the big bang did not just release energy, it released particles (according to the theory) of ...gas. the same thing that formed stars, planets and everything else out there.


and you cannot say "how do you get something from nothing" because I could say where did god come from to create earth and humans? he could not have just sat there for an infinite amount of time.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by linux_junkie on 2004-07-31 at 20:38:27
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I think those 2 statements contradicts each other. By what you are saying you can not obtain energy without matter and vice versa. How can the big bang be created without matter in the first place then? And how can nothiness create a massive explosion? Please give me a link to where you did your research.

P.S. : This is my interpretation of your explaination, so if I got any parts wrong blame yourself.


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and he is wrong, energy does not equal matter. the big bang did not just release energy, it released particles (according to the theory) of ...gas. the same thing that formed stars, planets and everything else out there.


First of all, I dumbed-down my explanation for feiteng, who seemed too stupid to understand an explanation with too many big words. However, if you want me to clarify, and explain to you why I did not contradict myself, I will. But first, let me correct CheeZe on his response. No, I am not wrong. Energy and matter are two different sides to the same thing. Matter is simply energy in a different form. Don't believe me? Well, what do you think that whole e=mc^2 thing is all about? Einstein's proven (well, as much as anything can be proven) theory about energy/matter duality. The Big Bang did not release gas particles. Those were a side-effect of the tremendous amounts of energy released. The energy released was a result of the massive warping of space-time. So no, you did not need matter, back then, to create energy. The Big Bang created all the energy in the universe. All of it. All the energy here today, in this vast universe, was released back then. If you want an explanation of how the energy came out of the Big Bang, you're censored.gif out of luck. I'd be happy to attempt, but firstly, you would have to be extremely well-versed in astrophysics, cosmology, n-dimensional geometries, calculus, and, under current belief, string theory as well. Some quantam mechanics wouldn't hurt, either. And a very sound knowledge of both General and Special Relativity. You see, before my interests switched over to computer science, I wanted to be an astrophysicist. So no, I can't provide you with a link to my several years of research. Unless you know how to jack my brain into the PC, like in the Matrix tongue.gif .
Report, edit, etc...Posted by High on 2004-07-31 at 21:05:59
i didnt read all of that, but i agree with linux beacuse he sounds smart
Report, edit, etc...Posted by linux_junkie on 2004-08-01 at 02:24:22
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, or not, but I'm going to assume not. Because I rock biggrin.gif .
Report, edit, etc...Posted by High on 2004-08-01 at 02:26:51
no i was serious ;P
Report, edit, etc...Posted by linux_junkie on 2004-08-01 at 06:14:33
Good to know tongue.gif . Well, it looks like this thread is pretty much dead now, which makes me the victor! I win! laugh.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Joeman12 on 2004-08-01 at 20:52:19
Linux....... ur to smart for ur own good. lol
Report, edit, etc...Posted by linux_junkie on 2004-08-01 at 21:02:36
I know... I just rock too much laugh.gif .
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Joeman12 on 2004-08-01 at 21:10:55
Haha. Just beacuse you know all about smart stuff.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by linux_junkie on 2004-08-01 at 23:20:36
Exactly. Ex-Science Nerds own all! bash.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2004-08-11 at 12:06:27
if we evolved from tiny little things then where did those come from and how did they come to be
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2004-08-11 at 12:08:18
next time, read the whole thing before posting something thats already been answered. wink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by feiteng on 2004-08-11 at 12:18:19
If that's true it won't remain a thereoy, and also do you know what a god is?
Obviously you don't. A god is omnipotent and you can't even comprehend the complexity of it. Warping in space? wtf where does space come from nothing and how is this "warping" any more silly than a god.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2004-08-11 at 12:26:01
wow..wtf? I never said it was true, i said it's been answered. so he should read it and counter the points instead posting like what you did.

and another thing, i dont' care how omnipotent you god is. I dont' believe in him. he can strike me down dead right now and i wouldnt' care. he is just some made up fairy tale to me. so don't talk about god. bring something in here that can prove our theories wrong instead of this "super being who controls all".

black holes exist? yes? well supposdly, black holes are just a point that you can travel through to another place (a rip). and then there are things called white holes that spit them out. now if we add 1+1 together, then it somewhat shows that balck holes ===>white holes. this is hardly proof but at least its' some evidence.

space from nothing has already been explained also.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PickleWeezle(U) on 2004-08-11 at 12:36:50
God describes the creation of Adam and Eve by Adam pulling out a rib to make Eve. Call me crazy, but I think evolution is a little more realistic.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by feiteng on 2004-08-11 at 13:31:57
Just because it's explained doesn't mean it's true. If I say the world is going to be destroyed in the year 3000 that doesn't mean it's true. And believe it or not Darwin believed in a god. How about you use something that has been proven as evidence. "Nothingness" is something we can't comprehend so stop saying it has been proven because no one has ever expirienced "Nothingness".
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2004-08-11 at 13:57:00
facts:

i never said anything about it being true

you're a terrible arguer, please use evidence instead of "I"M RIGHT YOU"RE WRONG" crap. all you're doing is bring back things thats already been counter pointed.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by feiteng on 2004-08-11 at 15:18:51
Oh ok does using false evidence in an arguement make you a better arguer. I can't use evidence because a lot of things havn't been proven yet. But with current findings evolutions looks unlikely. Why? Well have they found the "in-between" stages of evolving yet? No they don't and evolution supposedly take generations meaning hundreds of years and if all we find are whole species than there are no in-between steps and thus no evolution.
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