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You have the right to, legally, but you should try not to if that is what the other wants... you know.. the guy who put hard work into his creation?

So I'm perfectly fine to unprotect and edit maps that I don't like? It's good to hear it. Say, I don't like CTF Fortress, maybe I should change things up in it.

As mature as that is, Syphon, you're emphasizing mine and Gigin's point wonderfully.


Let's put it this way: I take it personally that on a whim of some do-anything programmer my maps could be opened by any idiot, edited, and released however they want, ruining the name of my map and possibly either decreasing it's popularity or ruining it and increasing it's popularity. Kay?

I know I'm a bit late, but I wanted to add to this

I learned how to create invisible bunkers before I even new Staredit.net existed by opening one of Oo.Vic.oO's defense maps (it was SF authorized [he didn't seem too happy when I told him that when I publicly tested Income D with him ]).

My point is: a lot of people who want to learn mapping don't know places like this exist.

And yet the knowledge of OSMAP comes down to them! If they can find OSMAP, I think they can find either Maplantis or SEN.

Problems with reading or something? Maybe with understanding words written down?

And in any way, you are not a map maker, your opinion in this matter is worth exactly nothing..

Says who?

I have Starcraft, and all the same tools to make maps you do, I have the same expertise that you, or anyone else in this thread does and I am perfectly capable of making a map. Just because I'm not making a map at the moment (Which you do not know) doesn't mean I am not a map maker.

I don't just pull things out of my ass when I'm involved in a debate, unlike some people.

That's like saying "You've never run a country before, so your vote doesn't matter!"

This debate affects all members of the community, whether they map or not.

You know, I didn't think of it like this.

At least you're thinking at all...

Community eh? Ok, let's look how much good the osmap has gave to the community...

» Countless threads full of argues, flames and spam.
» Random attacks and hate from 1 member to another.
» Separation of the community.
» (U) has left SEN.
» General disrespect in between members that were fine with each other before.

Well done.

Funny, I didn't think OSMAP was the one flaming Maplantis in his sig recently.

1) That's not OSMAP's fault, that's the fault of people like you.
2) See number 1.
3) See number 1.
4) I don't know the whole story, so I won't comment.
5) See number 1.

Yes Kow.

Locky for now. I think you guys are totally missing the point and I have to make a long post... but I'm going back to sleep.
Check back later.

DTBK, when a topic is locked in a situation like this, it's because the topic is going in the wrong direction. That's not the time to enter your own opinion. Just because you have the power doesn't mean you should use it.

Some things to address:
This isn't really about SEN hosting Osmap or not. I have not talked to Moose or DTBK about hosting Osmap, and I'd do that first before coming to you guys about it. So for those who are like "omg, imma leave!!!", you really are being immature and ignorant, I'm sorry to say. You really need to listen to what is being said.

Osmap exists. Debating whether or not it should exist is really rather irrelevant. Think about that for a second. Such a debate would be better directed at LW or MindArchon. And unless you have some new point to discuss about the whole situation, that would be a waste of time. Blah blah blah use triggerviewer instead? Irrelevant.


http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopic=38455

Think of Osmap as the enemy. What should we do to counter-attack it?
Now I'm not saying osmap is the enemy... but pretending it was would be in everyone's best interest as to finding solutions to said underlying issues.

Sorry for opening this really late... but I bet some of you guys needed the time off of it anyways.

What you said IP was understandable and rather agreeable, as for a "counter" to OSMAP I don't really think there is one, they can update it faster then we could so a counter would be pointless. I think if some of the anti OSMAP people were to actually read and understand maplantis's goals they would admire them and try to reach the same goals (for the most part anyways)

I find it really dissapointing that it's mainly the CSMAP people that flame all the time and arn't willing to contribute to a good debate. To say that OSMAP is breaking up the mapping community is really ignorrant of most of you.

I think we should accept Open Source Mapping, accept that there is a program called OSMAP however not permit advertising it on this site, and just encourage people to make maps and feel confident that they can keep it protected, I also think seeing as we have to accept OSMAP and Open Source Mapping, Maplantis should try to understand our rights to protecting if we so choose, and maybe make a mutual agreement that maps in our database that are closed can't be unprotected and put into their database.

P.S that would mean you would have to clean out the DLDB IP, and it'd be about time too.

A counter wouldn't necessarily be a better protector. You missed the point of the paragraph entirely.

Well I guess protection is one possibility for a counter, but I quite like my DLDB idea .

Now thats the part you're all wrong the most. You call us closed minded and all. While you are the ones that are obsesed with 1 thing and can't even understand that a different opinion exist.

I fully understand maplantis goals and osmap idea. I just DO NOT agree with it. Is that so hard to understand? Also open map making != osmap. I fully support open map making, release your map open as much as you want.

I think you are misunderstood, you are calling me close minded when I am on the side against OSMAP, Maplantis's goals are to have open maps so people can learn from them or improve upon them, those are good goals just they go the wrong way around it.

Also to say "open map making != osmap" is obvious, I fully support people leaving their maps open or closed if they so choose, however people like you that flame about it all the time are doing nothing that is worthy of an arguement.

I think if we establish a mutual agreement that maps unprotected, submitted to SEN can be passed onto Maplantis however maps protected and submitted on SEN should remain unprotected, as two main websites it would be benefit us so we don't have to worry about our maps being unprotected and would benefit them in the sense that I believe if people can have their maps protected without worrying about OSMAP then people should have no objections to OSMAP.

I also understand that plan is flawed by individuals however if you read the arguements it's mainly about Maplantis people, and if Maplantis is the unprotecting community and we are the protecting community and we work together we could encourage mapping ethics, as well as encouraging alternative sources of learning to map make.

Dont like OSMAP? Deal with it. It exists, voicing your opinion here isnt gonna change it. Saying how right your opinion is isnt going to make other people believe. Let's look at real facts?

If someone can get the stat page generated by OSMAP that would be really nice. Then we can count and see how many of them were stolen/editted (for the worse)/overwritten.

My map (NFL Blitz) is a really popular map on USEast right now. You can always find one on the join list, literally. I released it unprotected, all comments intact, I event left comments with DC names, and a brief explanation. Has it been stolen? No. Has it been editted? Yes, once. But the person (Chicagobears54) contacted me, asked my permission, and he actually did a really good job, intergrating the Colts and Bears emblem on the football field. He also saved it as NFL_Blitz_XLI (Superbowl 41).
How many people have learned from it? Many, many people.

But none of that matters right? One map isnt going to change anyone's opinion. It all comes down to one word: tolerance. The 'beast' is unleashed, lets see how you react.

PS. Keep in mind Rush and mechnogears

So.. you got lucky. And talking about how we shouldn't have this conversation is pointless if you join it.

How am I lucky? Prove others that have gotten their maps stolen by Osmap