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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dr.Shotgun on 2005-11-05 at 16:25:39
I would be an agnostic, except for burden of proof. Technically, it is impossible to disprove God, except for that little rule that you have to prove something first. i am a rationalist as well as an atheist.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by T-MaStAA on 2005-11-06 at 13:25:39
I really dont believe in religion. In my opinion its a waste of time. All thoes hours spent going to church, praying, missing out on things causse your religion says its not right. Untill they have more scientific proof, ima keep on not believing and lisening to my anti-god music just for the fun of it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Do-0dan on 2005-11-06 at 13:39:22
QUOTE(I-X-King-X-I @ Nov 5 2005, 09:43 AM)
I think the bible is some fiction story a guy wrote..

lost it one day..

someone found it and thought this was a true way to live and enforced it!

I think the bible is untrue..fake..a scam
(i r athiest by the way)
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the bible was written by many people (including the disciples of Jesus) in different times

QUOTE(T-MaStAA @ Nov 6 2005, 12:25 PM)
I really dont believe in religion. In my opinion its a waste of time. All thoes hours spent going to church, praying, missing out on things causse your religion says its not right. Untill they have more scientific proof, ima keep on not believing and lisening to my anti-god music just for the fun of it.
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you cant have scientific proof about something that cant be proven, you'll never know the real truth so you have to have faith
one proof of god's existence is that the universe was created, good enough for me
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-11-06 at 21:03:51
Allah is something to believe in. Thats why I believe.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-11-07 at 00:05:53
I dont understand your thinking, o-0.
Why do you need a god to prove your existance?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-11-07 at 00:10:47
QUOTE(Snake)Ling @ Oct 26 2005, 04:02 PM)
Is the earth really 6000 years old, MR. @:@? There is scientific evidence that says otherwise. Let me guess,  Adam and Eve lived to the ripe old age of 800+, Noah's flood came, then everybody lived to only 80 or so? And you tell me this is TRUE? PROVE ITS TRUE, meanie!
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There was another world outside of the Garden of Eden. It was a lot rougher and a biznatch to live on, God makes that pretty clear when they're banished. Whose to say how old that was?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-11-07 at 01:18:49
people say they want scientific truth to the existence of God. well look around you buddy the whole universe is enough truth. God created the whole thing if you dont believe that then believe that we evoled from a rock and that the whole universe was created by some great explosion thing from something smaller then an atom for no reason. its not really hard to see what one makes more sense. Some people refuse to believe that God, pity on them pinch.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Do-0dan on 2005-11-07 at 01:43:15
QUOTE(Cronus @ Nov 6 2005, 11:05 PM)
I dont understand your thinking, o-0.
Why do you need a god to prove your existance?
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because part of the definition of God is "creator of the universe", and since the universe was created, god exists or existed
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-11-07 at 08:17:56
Well if God 'just exists', then why can't the universe 'just exist'?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-11-07 at 16:32:00
Because The Universe had to have a beginning. God never had a beginning since he is OUTSIDE of time. He then CREATED time. In our beliefs, that is.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-11-07 at 17:35:07
QUOTE(Sie_Sayoka @ Nov 7 2005, 01:18 AM)
people say they want scientific truth to the existence of God. well look around you buddy the whole universe is enough truth. God created the whole thing if you dont believe that then believe that we evoled from a rock and that the whole universe was created by some great explosion thing from something smaller then an atom for no reason. its not really hard to see what one makes more sense. Some people refuse to believe that God, pity on them  pinch.gif
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Ya, you're right. The big bang theory which made planets is less likely to happen than it making an all powerful being that has the ability to move matter anywhere at anytime and that it just so happens to create a planet in which we live on to follow morals that it created for us. God sounds like something the creators of DBZ would come up with; Super Goku Whatever 9,999,999,999,999. disgust.gif

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Because The Universe had to have a beginning. God never had a beginning since he is OUTSIDE of time. He then CREATED time. In our beliefs, that is.


God came before the universe? What did he use to create the universe? Infact, what was he made up of? You're giving your God too much power.

Also, how come the universe HAS to have a beginning? Why can't God HAVE to have beginning? Not everything created came from something with a consciousness.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-11-07 at 19:12:42
Time is non-existant, it's a perception.
I think I just prove your God wrong ermm.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-11-07 at 19:15:06
There's truth to be had in the Bible, but there is, what I suspect to be, a lot of balogne. Science has proven and disproven various parts of the Bible, if they are taken literally. Christianity, like any other philosophy, must be interpreted. Do I believe in Jesus Christ? I won't say, for the sake of a civil discussion. However, I do believe in forgiveness, compassion, and love, prevalent themes in the Bible, well at least the New Testament. They are hardly Christian-only ideals, but they do exist in there, and they should not be lost upon you. Be whatever your religion, but define yourself through your morals.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-11-07 at 19:25:18
Anything can be interpreted as anything. If something has no literal value, I discredit it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-11-07 at 21:39:01
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Anything can be interpreted as anything. If something has no literal value, I discredit it.


Ah, but philosophy cannot be taken literally because of human emotion. Philosophy is (should be) largely logic, but it has (should have) other elements as well, such as emotion and knowledge.

Knowledge is the basis of a philosophy. This is, obviously, composed of facts. It forms the skeleton and gives support. Emotion would be akin to the muscles, giving a desire to spur something into action. Logic would be the brains, controlling and tempering the other characteristics of philosophy.

These are just my own views. Take them as you will, because I have no idea what they will teach you in Philosophy 101.

Besides, the Bible does have a small amount of literal value. Some events did occur, mainly concerning armies and the such. However, the Bible should be used as stated above, among, possibly, other things that I'll not dive into here.

On a purely philosophical sense, the Bible has been and is rather important. For countless years, it has been the only source of moral foundation for many. It still serves that purpose. Besides, if you disagree with Christianity the religion, I suggest you disprove it before you go strutting your stuff. Likewise, for those that do believe in it, please prove it before forcing your views upon everyone else.

Otherwise, keep the world a happier place and keep your mouth shut. wink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-11-08 at 01:05:32
well all you guys poke holes in the christans beliefs. tell us yours so we can do the same.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Do-0dan on 2005-11-08 at 01:07:11
they are atheists so all they believe in is that there is no god
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-11-08 at 01:10:46
yes but what kind of atheist are they? the one that believes in evolution, the one that doesnt really care but loves to attack other religions, or some other type?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-11-08 at 16:34:04
Atheists on this site can be best characterized as one or all of the following:

1) They dont see proof of a God
2) They believe the Bible is untrue (or at least the parts that deal with God)
3) Simply hate religion and all of its austere rules (not necessarily God himself)
4) Hell, who needs God?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-11-08 at 16:41:21
I believe there is a definite good and a definite evil. I think it is NOT an opinion. I'm sure there will be a topic in which every normal person will agree on is evil or good.

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Hell, who needs God?

No God, no purpose in life. No goal. No reward for hardships. Once the honest fall, they will be annihilated, while the cheaters lived their life the way they wanted, who will be getting the same ending as the honest. I don't think this is a world I want to believe in.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-11-08 at 16:56:49
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No God, no purpose in life.


Oh yea closedeyes.gif All atheists should suicide then. Thank god I have a god smile.gif FSM!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Aikanaro on 2005-11-08 at 17:57:55
QUOTE(MiLlEnNiUmArMy @ Nov 8 2005, 04:34 PM)
Atheists on this site can be best characterized as one or all of the following:

1) They dont see proof of a God
2) They believe the Bible is untrue (or at least the parts that deal with God)
3) Simply hate religion and all of its austere rules (not necessarily God himself)
4) Hell, who needs God?
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Frankly, Before I start, I'll mention I'm an Athiest myself. Now, I believe that a Good Morale desicion should be done by one's own Instinct and or Well being, Instead of doing it for the sake of Not sinning which ends you up in Hell. In other words, Being threatened By god to go to hell if you do not Make a Morally right desicion. Science Has Prooven Many things and has gotten us very far. Some Religious People, Note I said Some, Tend to to ask me how I can proove God does not exist? That Mentality, Or in other words, way of thinking, Can lead you to MILLIONS of posibilities Very Far-fetched, That Hey, cannot be proven wrong. I believe the Bible Was made in a time when People needed explaining for Why this happens when it does, Or when does it or How, what, where? Things we could not explain at the time. Like Humans, We had to try to put reasoning, Or an explanation to all the Wonders we did not understand at the time. Now, we've made much progress, we've been able to Proove or yet discover why, How, Where, When and what About many things that puzzled us in the past, Or yet had us Convinced there was no Logical reasoning behind it, It was the Work of a Divinity. Its true, We can't proove God does not exist, Neither can't we proove the Flying Spaghetti monster does not exist. Or neither can we disProove Millions, if not Billions of Posibilities that People could come up with to Find Reasoning or Explanations between Various things we have not had the Knowledge to answer yet. Which is why, I ask you This: Can you proove to us that your god exists? If not, We can only conclude your Belief upon God is just as true as People believing in the flying Spaghetti Monster.

Thank you, That is all.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-11-08 at 18:02:21
Yeah, why don't you? What's the point? if you say it's to learn and pass down, it would be like studying a subject you'll never use. The only use would be to teach it to students if you're a teacher.

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Can you proove to us that your god exists? If not, We can only conclude your Belief upon God is just as true as People believing in the flying Spaghetti Monster.

No seriously, tell me the point. If for now, you're saying if God DOES exist, and he is all knowing, then would he really give his presence to people that don't even want him. In the Bible, it says "Seek and ye shall find". To find him, make the choice. If he reveals himself to everybody, it won't be free will, which contradicts him even creating humans in the first place.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-11-08 at 19:03:22
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Can you proove to us that your god exists? If not, We can only conclude your Belief upon God is just as true as People believing in the flying Spaghetti Monster.

No seriously, tell me the point. If for now, you're saying if God DOES exist, and he is all knowing, then would he really give his presence to people that don't even want him. In the Bible, it says "Seek and ye shall find". To find him, make the choice. If he reveals himself to everybody, it won't be free will, which contradicts him even creating humans in the first place.


Allow me to straighten something out for you:
Most atheists do NOT hate God. They simply don't believe he exists. They would actually be really happy if he did, considering he's into forgivness.

But do you actually think God would hate the atheists that used the free will he provided? Like, not believing in God makes you an evil person? Evil enough to be sent to hell to have, literally, your worst nightmares come true for all eternity? God's not Satan. disgust.gif

BTW - How is God showing himself going to destroy all free will?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Do-0dan on 2005-11-08 at 19:07:02
it forces us to believe in him, and since there is something that great in our lives, we will dedicate ourselves to God more than anything
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