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Hmmm, I don't think WF wants to get into the "anals" of anything (well maybe something or other ), but perhaps the "annals?" Still, I really hope that nobody actually makes SC maps for fame or fortune, because that would be sadly pathetic. This is becoming D2? Try Duke Nukem Forever.

Maybe they will bundle Crescent Dyne with Duke Nukem Forever, har har.

Sorry, did we do that joke already?

Just wondering, I know you postponed the due date, but can you predict an approximate date or week(or month). Please tell me this will be done this year...

its done when its done go play rush or something in the mean time. or make your own incredible gonna rule bnet forever maps it is rly hard to finish a map when theres like 4 people making it

Good job wooden hope o see it out soon. By the way, how do you make that critical hit system thingy? Thanks

Well, I say take your time. Perfection cannot be rushed.

WoodenFire has been spending all of his time playing D2. His obsession grows deeper with every passing moment. Now if only he'd play Hardcore Ladder he might be the least bit respectable.

*Still Waits the Release of Crescent Dyne in 2 Years

If you finish this by the end of summer i will say 1000 Times that your a god woodenfire. =)

*Kills Lyon for impatience

Guys, RELAX. Play Rush, as someone has mentioned. Take your girlfriend to the cinema, buy her flowers, ride the bike, ba amazed by the wonders of nature... LIVE.

You're supposed to use the [/color] to end color tags.

You can only beat Rush so many times. Play other people's maps.

What ever happened to making maps?
I guess that's just me.

Everybody is crushed by Rush, and the upcoming CD, so they see that their efforts are pathetic ?

Laziness.

Mmmm, the Battle for Middle-Earth.

*Felagund shuts up

I Dont wanna play rush, who mentioned it?

The Nearest movie theatre is 20 miles away and i dont feel like walking =p

She doesnt deserve flowers.

I Bike 20-40 Minutes every morning.

I Dont wanna be amazed by the wonders of nature, they suck

Only Fools live

So when is this gonna be released?

Yes, clearly after I play Rush and CD I'll have no reason whatsoever to make or play any other map ever again.

Well if I were just coming to StarCraft, and saw how popular these maps are in this community, I would never play or make any other map again. I'd be too disappointed to touch the game.

Kenoli's maps > RUSH + CD COMBINED!

Where have you been kupo, you don't post as much as you used to... (from what i can see), WTF? you aren't allowed to slowly decline from SEN!

That's what you call a character flaw. I didn't look at the work of Andrew Wyeth and stop painting because of it. You take inspiration and ideas from these greater things, then slowly strive to better them.

Even if I hadn't been joking, that is quite possibly the worst retort I have ever seen. Before I even get to the fact that your entire argument is flawed, I want to point out that you contradicted yourself entirely. You start saying that it's a character flaw to look at something disappointing and assume that everything in that field is worthless and there's no point in continuing looking at it. Then you say that I should "take inspiration and ideas" from these "greater things." That's the exact opposite of what I was suggesting and what you seemed to understand I was suggesting.

To get to the main point however, your argument is horrendously malformed. Creating StarCraft maps is hardly comparable to painting. StarCraft is a program, and programming might be comparable to painting, not certainly not this one individual game. If you are to follow the analogy to it's next logical step, you could compare StarCraft to a specific type or style of painting, let's say, coloring with crayons. Great works of art are not created with freaking Crayolas. My scenario involved a person who has never played StarCraft seeing the game and these maps for the first time. Using myself was a bad example that I didn't want to do, but it made the point that much easier to make in fewer words, so I went with it. I do not take first impressions very seriously. Regardless, the scenario I described suggested that a person seeing these maps would be, as per the analogy, comparable to someone trying to find a good piece of art and instead finding nothing but children's paintings, or worse, modern art. Thus they are turned off by how despicable what they have found is, and leave the game alone.

Of course the alternative conclusion to seeing the popularity of these maps here would be to assume that majority of people visiting this website are completely without a sense of taste or understanding of their own personal enjoyment. Which seems to be the underlying meaning of my post once the other possibility is discovered to be a hoax.

I won't presume to know what's going on here, but seriously quit complaining. SEN may not be without its bias or critics, but it beats the hell out of other forums I've been to (ever been perma banned for a something stupid like a typo before?)

You can't go to a forum or place that doesn't have bias. And for that matter, playing the righteous card never works, anyway. I mean who are you claiming your rights to here? The people who enforce them. And what happens if they're the ones that took them away in the first place?

Sorry but until humans become emotionless, logical, intellectual beings, all you'll accomplish by fighting (no matter the cause), is create opposition. Opposition doesn't promote your cause to the opposers.



By the way, not everyone thinks the American way is entirely a good thing, you know. And yes, I am American.

Meh, I'm just tossing in a comment. Up to the mods to enforce the topic if they want to.


Anyway personally I doubt this map'll get finished before the year is out, if I know anything about trigger making. But even still, I'd still welcome this if it gets released at all. Especially if turns out better than Rush (which is entirely feasable, considering all its flaws).

What... The... F**k?

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Jesus Christ I need to keep up with this topic more, I miss being in on stuff EDIT > Holy crap, this topic's large enough to be an Elite!

Wood, I'm wondering about physics in CD, will swords be as effective against rock monster as say plant monsters? Or will it affect their durability differently?

I hate to go back on my word but feel it necessary to inform Tux of his misinterpretation of statements. I started out with a post that was quite simple. It was an attempt to argue that I am not like Devilesk whatsoever, and that I know where the line is. Of course, this could easily have lead someone to say "Then why do you have a -400 minerals?" I felt compelled to make an argument in case of that fact. That may not have been the best idea. It did come off as just sort of complaining about stuff, especially since it ended up taking up most of my post. I overprepared for something that probably would not have been brought up.

As for any "bias," I think you are misinterpreting me. I didn't exactly go into all the details, but it went something like this:
Me: No, you're wrong, that's not how this works at all. *Explains how it works*

I don't think there is such a thing as a bias against explaining the facts. I hope that my statements here do not require and further examination, as I would like to drop this line of discussion.


That's not "physics" as they are known in the gaming world. Technically, anything and everything is physics, but in this case that is resistence/effectiveness of damage types. Based on my current understanding of the game I should hope they would have that in there.


Considering the amount of time they've taken so far, and the fact that the average development cycle uses at least half of it's time in testing, I should think we would have a very, very long time to wait. This is another map like Rush however, where gameplay is entirely based around a unique fighting element that not everyone will like. Personally I find this even more troublesome than the gunner system, though this does allow for multiple players without great misery being inflicted on the creator.