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Report, edit, etc...Posted by fritfrat(U) on 2006-11-04 at 18:28:52
Wow. 174 replies. Even though shocko did say stupid stuff and isn't exactly respected any more than DEAD is, atleast he realized it a good time to not look at this whole topic anymore.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JoJo. on 2006-11-04 at 18:32:12
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Le0n @ Nov 4 2006, 04:18 PM)
Ok heres where i get pissed. Get ready to warn me guys because its shoko time.

Shocko,
DEAD is unlike you, VERY unlike you, a respected member of the SEN Community. I dare you to show me a map that shows that you have more skill then dead. Have you seen Brain Bread? Its a great map. His first CTF map, not a big deal, and no not all that good. Oh well. Hes made better maps since then. Seriously Shocko look at what your typing and read it back to yourself.

Second, good grammar and loving SEN are two things that are important in a moderator in my opinion. Infact, i think they should be a requirement. Not everyone can "get the job done" as a moderator, and if you think they can, then your quite simply a very dull person. (Im putting that VERY lightly)

Third when it comes to people on SEN, you shouldnt be talking. You are LOATHED by a large amount of members, and if the reputation system was in effect i wouldnt be suprised about how trashed you would be.

Fourth how do you give someone the chance to look good on SEN? I really would like you to tell me how you do that. Infact if you knew how to do that yourself, you probobly wouldnt be so widely disliked.

And finally Moose's words which i belive to be a more direct quote:
"I dont personally like DEAD, but i know he'd defend SEN tooth and nail if it came to that."
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1. Judging some one by map making skill is plain stupid and shows your an mean person.
2. Shocko doesn't care of your opinion on grammar and moderators.
3. He didn't say he was loved...I think he can do whatever he wants, if you were informing him that no one liked him I could understand, but you weren't. mean person.
4. Your right, Shocko says bad stuff about everybody. *sarcasm*
5. Maybe he would defend sen to the tooth and nail, but that almost sounds like your trying to say he wouldn't break the rules 16 times.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)Excalibur on 2006-11-04 at 18:37:28
QUOTE(JoJo. @ Nov 4 2006, 06:32 PM)
1. Judging some one by map making skill is plain stupid and shows your an mean person.
2. Shocko doesn't care of your opinion on grammar and moderators.
3. He didn't say he was loved...I think he can do whatever he wants, if you were informing him that no one liked him I could understand, but you weren't. mean person.
4. Your right, Shocko says bad stuff about everybody. *sarcasm*
5. Maybe he would defend sen to the tooth and nail, but that almost sounds like your trying to say he wouldn't break the rules 16 times.
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1. Im not saying thats how you judge a person, im saying shocko was judging him in that way, and failing to compare in any way posible.
2. I dont care what shocko thinks of my opinion, all the same he should realize maybe 4 or 5 people out of all of SEN care about his. By the way what the hell are you doing defending shocko anyway? Im guessing your one of his few, dull, and rather uneducated supporters. I feel bad for you now. Congratulations.
3. Ofcourse he isnt loved, but as above hes acting like anyone is going to give a rats ass about what he says, and they dont.
4. Yes he does. He bad mouths everyone in every situation he can weasle his way into. Look at Mp's forum and tell me he hasnt.
5. He broke the rules, his reason was stupid, and he was punished for it. I just believe that firing him was not the best response. And i was correctly quoting Moose there. Shocko had it marginaly wrong.

If your going to spend your time defending shocko, you will see alot of me. And you wont like it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by mockdead on 2006-11-04 at 18:41:54
instead of whining about if shocko is wrong, why dont you talk about the topic that is at hand?

DEAD being re-instated for breaking rulez. i'll quote myself

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rehire? is that really a good example to set for people? if you break the rules well enough to point out our flaws and your a staff member, you'll be rehired!


i don't think that's very smart.


can you give any good reasons on why it'd be a good idea to reinstate DEAD besides your own personal opinion?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JoJo. on 2006-11-04 at 18:43:59
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Le0n @ Nov 4 2006, 04:37 PM)
1. Im not saying thats how you judge a person, im saying shocko was judging him in that way, and failing to compare in any way posible.
2. I dont care what shocko thinks of my opinion, all the same he should realize maybe 4 or 5 people out of all of SEN care about his. By the way what the hell are you doing defending shocko anyway? Im guessing your one of his few, dull, and rather uneducated supporters. I feel bad for you now. Congratulations.
3. Ofcourse he isnt loved, but as above hes acting like anyone is going to give a rats ass about what he says, and they dont.
4. Yes he does. He bad mouths everyone in every situation he can weasle his way into. Look at Mp's forum and tell me he hasnt.
5. He broke the rules, his reason was stupid, and he was punished for it. I just believe that firing him was not the best response. And i was correctly quoting Moose there. Shocko had it marginaly wrong.

If your going to spend your time defending shocko, you will see alot of me. And you wont like it.
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Lmao. I defend Shocko because your just trying to say hes dumb and nobody likes him. Why do you care? Seriously. I know how important is to say something like that but really. Oh and I found a recent post of Shocko's in the new Resident Evil thread under "Maps in production."

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This map seems similar, i think i've played this before -- if not then it just shows that all RE maps are the same. However if it is the one i played then it was quite fun and i actually liked playing it.

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Hmm so hes acting like every one gives a rats ass about what hes saying....So you think people care about what your saying? or that you plan to prove that? or maybe your an mean person?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)Excalibur on 2006-11-04 at 18:44:50
QUOTE(mockdead @ Nov 4 2006, 06:41 PM)
can you give any good reasons on why it'd be a good idea to reinstate DEAD besides your own personal opinion?
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Look at all the moderation actions hes taken, and show me a single one that was reversed or unfair. DEAD did his job, and he did it well. And as i said, good staff members are hard to find.

And no. Shocko being wrong must be proven, time and again, in a nearly futile attempt to shut his immature mouth. It hasnt worked yet, but ill keep trying.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chronophobia on 2006-11-04 at 18:48:16
Anyhow, it doesn't change my thoughts about DEAD, I still thinks his GTA map was good!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JoJo. on 2006-11-04 at 18:51:27
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Le0n @ Nov 4 2006, 04:44 PM)
Look at all the moderation actions hes taken, and show me a single one that was reversed or unfair. DEAD did his job, and he did it well. And as i said, good staff members are hard to find.

And no. Shocko being wrong must be proven, time and again, in a nearly futile attempt to shut his immature mouth. It hasnt worked yet, but ill keep trying.
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Oh you forgot to mention the moderator who hasn't taken one unfair action broke the rules 16 times. I agree good staff is hard to find, and DEAD isn't one of those good staff members. I just hope you relize I wasn't defending Shocko I was attacking you for obvious reasons. I don't think being a douche is justified towards douche bags or anyone else. Next you ask why didn't I talk about Shocko's mistakes? I know he won't shut his mouth when will you learn?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by mockdead on 2006-11-04 at 18:51:51
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Look at all the moderation actions hes taken, and show me a single one that was reversed or unfair. DEAD did his job, and he did it well. And as i said, good staff members are hard to find.

And no. Shocko being wrong must be proven, time and again, in a nearly futile attempt to shut his immature mouth. It hasnt worked yet, but ill keep trying.


you do realize that you just attacked shocko right there dont you? Isn't that called a flame? Anyways i cant show any mod abilities because maybe if you payed attention to when I joined, youd see that I joined yesterday.

how is he a good member if he broke the rules? arent members like that deemed evil (Like how Voyager told me that everyone hated Kellimus [who the hell is this?] because he broke the rules to point out things towards people) if they do?

oh wait there maybe if they use the excuse that it was an experiment they are pardoned of theyre charges.

why must it be proven that shocko is wrong? who really cares? i sure dont. and jojo sure doesnt care. your the only person whining about it so that must men that your the only person who cares.

now who is the immature one? the one that constantly attacks shocko while he is offline in an attempt to get him to flame you or some other reason like that, or the person who mearly expressed their opinion? Which their entitled to do
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)Excalibur on 2006-11-04 at 18:58:13
QUOTE(mockdead @ Nov 4 2006, 06:51 PM)
you do realize that you just attacked shocko right there dont you?  Isn't that called a flame?  Anyways i cant show any mod abilities because maybe if you payed attention to when I joined, youd see that I joined yesterday.
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By joining yesterday, and not knowing of DEAD's deeds, i say you are unfit to form an informed opinion on this topic, so i will disregard any further posts you make. Flamming shocko is what i do, get used to it.

QUOTE(JoJo. @ Nov 4 2006, 06:51 PM)
Oh you forgot to mention the moderator who hasn't taken one unfair action broke the rules 16 times. I agree good staff is hard to find, and DEAD isn't one of those good staff members. I just hope you relize I wasn't defending Shocko I was attacking you for obvious reasons. I don't think being a douche is justified towards douche bags or anyone else. Next you ask why didn't I talk about Shocko's mistakes? I know he won't shut his mouth when will you learn?
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Yes he did break the rules. He was punished, and now its done with. This is now about me showing you how wrong shocko is. I thought we were on the same page here? DEAD is a good staff member, and he didnt break the rules 16 times, he broke one rule, and calling it 16 times is just to make it look more in your favor. Nice job twisting truths, you could be a politician.

Attacking me for.....? Because i dont agree with you on this topic? Well if so you are quite the dullard. Defending Shocko in anyway for whatever reason, as you were weather you meant to or not, gets alot of people to attack you back. In a manner of speaking, playing with fire twice over, but more so. He will shut his mouth eventually, although ive learned this will be a hard thing to accomplish, oh well.

And finally ill be a "douche bag" to shocko if i think itll make him shut up faster. Ill act or do whatever it takes. And if im banned, so be it. Even if he doesnt shut up, ill have done my part in trying.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by mockdead on 2006-11-04 at 18:58:47
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Le0n @ Nov 4 2006, 07:50 PM)
Shocko is dumb and nobody likes him, therefore your reason for defending him is groundless. And i know people read my posts, and by reading them they do by some amount care. My posts are too long, intelligent, and informative not to read.

I am a "mean person" by your standards. How so you may ask? I am brutally honest to the point that i dont care if i hurt your feelings. Its people like that that do what needs to be done, and say what needs to be said. If i was a doctor and needed to tell you your mother was dying in the hospital, id have you crying twice as hard because of the manner i did it in.

I dont care about what Shocko says, i care about shutting him up because hes a whiney little female dog. Its very important to make that point.

I also dont care about posts of shockos in an RE thread. I was saying hes a mediocre map maker at best. And before you go quoting that post where some one said "WOW THANKS FOR THE ADVICE SHOCKO LOL IM A NEWB", ill save you the trouble and say i dont care.
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i read your posts because it's the smart thing to do when in a debate about something.

where do you come up wit the idea that noone likes him? just because you dont like him, doesnt mean everyone else doesnt like him. brutally honest to the point that you dont care if you hurt feelings? cool dued. more power to you. but instead of trying to push your issues on everyone else why dont you keep them to yourself, and quit trying to belittle everyone that has a different opinion than you.

if you didn't care about what shocko said, you wouldn't have posted this:

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Ok heres where i get pissed. Get ready to warn me guys because its shoko time.

Shocko,
DEAD is unlike you, VERY unlike you, a respected member of the SEN Community. I dare you to show me a map that shows that you have more skill then dead. Have you seen Brain Bread? Its a great map. His first CTF map, not a big deal, and no not all that good. Oh well. Hes made better maps since then. Seriously Shocko look at what your typing and read it back to yourself.

Second, good grammar and loving SEN are two things that are important in a moderator in my opinion. Infact, i think they should be a requirement. Not everyone can "get the job done" as a moderator, and if you think they can, then your quite simply a very dull person. (Im putting that VERY lightly)

Third when it comes to people on SEN, you shouldnt be talking. You are LOATHED by a large amount of members, and if the reputation system was in effect i wouldnt be suprised about how trashed you would be.

Fourth how do you give someone the chance to look good on SEN? I really would like you to tell me how you do that. Infact if you knew how to do that yourself, you probobly wouldnt be so widely disliked.

And finally Moose's words which i belive to be a more direct quote:
"I dont personally like DEAD, but i know he'd defend SEN tooth and nail if it came to that."


Shocko is immature yet your the one that is reverting to flaming him?

so before you continue digging yourself a hole id advise you to be quiet.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by JoJo. on 2006-11-04 at 19:00:57
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Le0n @ Nov 4 2006, 04:50 PM)
Shocko is dumb and nobody likes him, therefore your reason for defending him is groundless. And i know people read my posts, and by reading them they do by some amount care. My posts are too long, intelligent, and informative not to read.

I am a "mean person" by your standards. How so you may ask? I am brutally honest to the point that i dont care if i hurt your feelings. Its people like that that do what needs to be done, and say what needs to be said. If i was a doctor and needed to tell you your mother was dying in the hospital, id have you crying twice as hard because of the manner i did it in.

I dont care about what Shocko says, i care about shutting him up because hes a whiney little female dog. Its very important to make that point.

I also dont care about posts of shockos in an RE thread. I was saying hes a mediocre map maker at best. And before you go quoting that post where some one said "WOW THANKS FOR THE ADVICE SHOCKO LOL IM A NEWB", ill save you the trouble and say i dont care.
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So people read your posts mean they in do some amount care, well you obviously read my post and cared because you reposted. Contradiction. You dont care about what Shocko says but you want him to shut up....that makes sense. Contradiction. But really you said Shocko says nothing to make some one look good, and you go say it doesn't matter because the person is a newb.

nice
Report, edit, etc...Posted by mockdead on 2006-11-04 at 19:01:52
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Le0n @ Nov 4 2006, 07:58 PM)
By joining yesterday, and not knowing of DEAD's deeds, i say you are unfit to form an informed opinion on this topic, so i will disregard any further posts you make. Flamming shocko is what i do, get used to it.
Yes he did break the rules. He was punished, and now its done with. This is now about me showing you how wrong shocko is. I thought we were on the same page here? DEAD is a good staff member, and he didnt break the rules 16 times, he broke one rule, and calling it 16 times is just to make it look more in your favor. Nice job twisting truths, you could be a politician.

Attacking me for.....? Because i dont agree with you on this topic? Well if so you are quite the dullard. Defending Shocko in anyway for whatever reason, as you were weather you meant to or not, gets alot of people to attack you back. In a manner of speaking, playing with fire twice over, but more so. He will shut his mouth eventually, although ive learned this will be a hard thing to accomplish, oh well.

And finally ill be a "douche bag" to shocko if i think itll make him shut up faster. Ill act or do whatever it takes. And if im banned, so be it. Even if he doesnt shut up, ill have done my part in trying.
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so because I joined yesterday your going to disregard what i say because i have read the rules of this forum and have realized that even though he may have done good things, he has still broken the rules and should be punished for them?

alright. keep calling everyone names and well sea how far you get.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)Excalibur on 2006-11-04 at 19:05:20
flames removed.

Knowing the rules is not enough. You must be here, and learn the community. Learn how it works, how the people act, how the avatar fads and inside jokes, personal groups, and what makes SEN SEN. Once you do that, ill respect your posts, because then ill know im reading from a person who knows what they are talking about. As of the current you do not.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by mockdead on 2006-11-04 at 19:07:24
flaming me isn't going to get you anywhere, young friend.

just because you think DEAD is the greatest thing (which in my opinion your being a suckup) doesn't mean it's true.

so will you please be quiet and quit flaming everyone who has a different opinion than yours?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JoJo. on 2006-11-04 at 19:09:18
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Le0n @ Nov 4 2006, 04:58 PM)
By joining yesterday, and not knowing of DEAD's deeds, i say you are unfit to form an informed opinion on this topic, so i will disregard any further posts you make. Flamming shocko is what i do, get used to it.
Yes he did break the rules. He was punished, and now its done with. This is now about me showing you how wrong shocko is. I thought we were on the same page here? DEAD is a good staff member, and he didnt break the rules 16 times, he broke one rule, and calling it 16 times is just to make it look more in your favor. Nice job twisting truths, you could be a politician.

Attacking me for.....? Because i dont agree with you on this topic? Well if so you are quite the dullard. Defending Shocko in anyway for whatever reason, as you were weather you meant to or not, gets alot of people to attack you back. In a manner of speaking, playing with fire twice over, but more so. He will shut his mouth eventually, although ive learned this will be a hard thing to accomplish, oh well.

And finally ill be a "douche bag" to shocko if i think itll make him shut up faster. Ill act or do whatever it takes. And if im banned, so be it. Even if he doesnt shut up, ill have done my part in trying.
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Theres not much here worth replying to other than why I "attacked" you. Because I think the main point of your reply was to be a "mean person" and not actaully be informal about Shocko. Your response was more critical than constructive. I understand Shocko's ignorance is a great motive for flaming but really it isn't an exuse. Therefor I think you deserved to be critized. As you see I did it much more constructively.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)Excalibur on 2006-11-04 at 19:10:35
QUOTE(mockdead @ Nov 4 2006, 07:07 PM)
flaming me isn't going to get you anywhere, young friend.

just because you think DEAD is the greatest thing (which in my opinion your being a suckup) doesn't mean it's true.

so will you please be quiet and quit flaming everyone who has a different opinion than yours?
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Im not flaming you, im pointing out that you are making uninformed posts. You have no idea what your talking about. Youve been here a day. And dont call me "Young friend". Im not your little brother that you pat on the head as he looks up and smiles. This is another example, as you have no idea who your talking to.

Im not a suckup, and i dont think DEAD is anywhere near the greatest member. But im sick of him being trashed over this.

Im not flaming different opinions, im disagreeing with uninformed ones such as yours.

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QUOTE(JoJo. @ Nov 4 2006, 07:09 PM)
Therefor I think you deserved to be critized. As you see I did it much more constructively.
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Argumentative opinion. You were no more constructive, if even as of mine.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JoJo. on 2006-11-04 at 19:14:29
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Le0n @ Nov 4 2006, 05:05 PM)
I reposted to inform you of how much of a newb your being. Same goes for shockos posts, and the guy who joined yesterday. There is no contradiction if you look at what i post with a little common sense. You probobly lack common sense so ill let it slide.

ADDITION:
Please refer to the part where i said he broke the rules and has been punished. Now go back into the newb courner where your kind belong.

Knowing the rules is not enough. You must be here, and learn the community. Learn how it works, how the people act, how the avatar fads and inside jokes, personal groups, and what makes SEN SEN. Once you do that, ill respect your posts, because then ill know im reading from a person who knows what they are talking about. As of the current you do not.
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Aw ok. Exuse me your right I forgot to mention in that post you said you didn't care about what I posted and that explanation of yours about "by reading posts people care in some amount" would mean you reading my post meant you care you said you didn't I quite hope you have noticed that I like to argue. As for DEAD's punishment I think it should of been 10 day suspension.

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Argumentative opinion. You were no more constructive, if even as of mine.
Eh, that would take to long to prove or even try to put reason into.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shocko on 2006-11-04 at 19:15:02
I came in for a check up, nice to know how many of you think of me highly.

So lets get the show on the road shall we.

1) S.T.A.R.S-Le0n im going to make you eat every single last word you said about me being a bad map maker.
2) I've played brain bread and all though it was an ok quality it wasn't really special.
3) JoJo. is right i don't care about grammar.
4) I praise those who deserve it.
5) Supporting somebody that isn't even in the conversation isn't being newb it's being moral.
6) Le0n you flame way too much and you should be banned already.
7) Le0n you couldn't hurt my feelings because i practically have none.
8) I do whine but you whine more.
9) Just because somebody joined yesterday doesn't mean they can't be moral.
10) Flaming me is what you do? well then get all the kicks out of it while you can i'll report you everytime from now on and then i'll get the last kicks then you're banned.
11) I don't care how many people hate me for my personality, anybody that truely knows me gets along with me.

So Le0n before you act like you've just won the popularity contest, and think you are going to get the noble prize for map making -- think what you say.

As for anybody else that has something to say, take it up with me on Bnet or PM don't be a coward and flame me while im offline.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by mockdead on 2006-11-04 at 19:17:29
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I reposted to inform you of how much of a newb your being. Same goes for shockos posts, and the guy who joined yesterday. There is no contradiction if you look at what i post with a little common sense. You probobly lack common sense so ill let it slide.


i bolded the flame. regardless of its spelling your still trying to insult me with unneded descriptive words. whitch means you flamed me.

how is he being "trashed" over this? us mearly stating that he should get harsher punishment isn't even half as bad as what you have been doing.

and yes, your flaming others and their opinions:

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And no. Shocko being wrong must be proven, time and again, in a nearly futile attempt to shut his immature mouth. It hasnt worked yet, but ill keep trying.

Shocko is dumb and nobody likes him, therefore your reason for defending him is groundless.

I dont care about what Shocko says, i care about shutting him up because hes a whiney little female dog.

And before you go quoting that post where some one said "WOW THANKS FOR THE ADVICE SHOCKO LOL IM A NEWB", ill save you the trouble and say i dont care.

Flamming shocko is what i do, get used to it.


see?


youre 22, yet you act 10. maybe you should grow up?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JoJo. on 2006-11-04 at 19:20:56
QUOTE(mockdead @ Nov 4 2006, 05:17 PM)
i bolded the flame.  regardless of its spelling your still trying to insult me with unneded descriptive words.  whitch means you flamed me.

how is he being "trashed" over this?  us mearly stating that he should get harsher punishment isn't even half as bad as what you have been doing.

and yes, your flaming others and their opinions:
see?
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rolfmao. You get a kiwi for that post. Thats what I call newb ownage, and I mean "newb" by you joined SEN yesterday
Report, edit, etc...Posted by smasher25 on 2006-11-04 at 19:28:17
wow they found that out? I wonder how they did it do they just check if you have the same e-mail accounts or something?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JoJo. on 2006-11-04 at 19:34:31
QUOTE(smasher25 @ Nov 4 2006, 07:28 PM)
wow they found that out? I wonder how they did it do they just check if you have the same e-mail accounts or something?
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No, each computer has its own "identity" so to speak. A scan searches for multiple accounts with the same "Identity" known as the IP address.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by xmrxsiegecopx on 2006-11-04 at 19:39:15
Wow... DEAD does it again -- he shows his absolute devotion and dedication to improving to SeN by revealing how easy it is to double-account (That is somewhat mind-blowing) in a responsible manner.

I don't believe DEAD really deserves the loss in his staff position, but the suspension sounds reasonable. At least something good came out of all of this -- the staff is working harder on eliminating double-accounts ten-fold.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2006-11-04 at 19:44:30
If the flames continue then I'm going to lock this thread.

Just a warning. wink.gif
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