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Other quarterbacks go deep and don't have trouble with interceptions =\

Right, but even if the team is defending the pass, you can still be successful. You can't really have 32 completions when you only throw the ball 20 times

Abillity to be an amazing quarterback != Amazing quarterback... and personally, I don't think doing good in one game means you are able to be amazing. either. Sometimes things just go your way, or there are other factors involved, such as the opposing team.

Bledsoe isn't THAT bad. Give him a good line and he's alright. He isn't as good as Brady, that's true, but that doesn't make Brady a better player. The Patriots probably wouldn't have been able to win the first season Dillion was here, but that doesn't mean he's a GREAT runningback.


What I found funny, is that some commentators on CBS I think said "Farve and Brady, two locks for the hall of fame"(Or something similar to this.).. isn't it a bit early to say that.. and is Brady really a hall of fame player? What's your opinions?

WOW, you really have a grudge on Brady if you don't think Brady is worthy to make it to the hall of fame with three Super Bowl titles... did you see his four TD passes today?

Wait so if you have the ability to be a great quarterback and Tom Brady has the ability how come he is overrated?

Also if the ability to be amazing = amazing quarterback. but somehow doing amazing in one game doesnt mean your amazing?? huh you contradicted yourself..


He needs no one around him for him to be good

I agree Dillon is a great runner and he is one of the players who helped us win the super bowl as well as Tom Brady. Everyone helped in some way. But Tom Brady helps more than some others. He is one of two positions that touches the ball every offensive play.

I bet you if it was Brady in Indianapolis and Manning in New England you would hate Manning. (and I would hate Brady. I would probably hate Brady but still think he is good like I think Manning is a douche bag but a I still think he is a good quarterback.)

Everyone that thinks Tom Brady is not worthy of the hall of fame are nuts. When the patriots were not doing that good during the times of Drew Bledsoe when he wasnt doing so good. No one even knew who he Tom Brady was. Then he had an amazing first games. People were worried it was may have just been a lucky couple of games. He then got the patriots higher than they have ever been before. He won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years. That enough is worth a hall of fame spot!

Against the 31st ranked pass defence? Congrats

So being on a good team, and winning the superbowl 3 times makes you a lock for the hall of fame? I'm glad you guys don't choose who gets in

You guys know that I used to be a New England fan, until all I heard about on ESPN was about New England... Same with the Red Sox, it pisses me off when the Red Sox are being talked about when they do bad, and when they do good. Like, a top story would be "THE RED SOX ARE DOING BAD!!!"... Same with the Patriots, all that was asked last week is "HAVE THE PATRIOTS LOST THEIR SWAGGER, ARE THEY THE SAME AS THE OLD PATRIOTS, WILL THEY RECOOP!!!!"

Just because he does good in one game doesn't make him a good quarterback. Sure, maybe that means he's capable of doing that in other games, but it doesn't mean he will...

Tom Brady is overrated in my opinion because he gets just as much hype as people like Peyton Manning, and just as much credit, but hasn't done nearly as good as Manning. Please don't tell me "He's won superbowls!!" because Football is a team game, and we're talking about individuals, not teams.

Uhh, any quarterback will do bad with a bad line.. =\



7-7, the Patriots got into the playoffs, and were over 500 with Bledsoe. But there were other reasons that team was not performing that well, such as the style of offense they used, and their lack of running game..

Just because he was on a team that won the Superbowl doesn't mean he's a good player

You guys really remind me of the people who measure how good a pitcher is by their Wins and Losses. Think of it, I think you guys will understand.

I'm happy that you don't pick who gets to be in the hall of fame, because nobody would be in it judging by your standards!


You do realize that they do this for like 75% of the teams?......


Umm... he does good in the regular season and ----->THREE<---- SUPERBOWLS! But obviously you don't care if you win Superbowls, you only care trivial things like statistics.


It should be the other way around. Peyton Manning hasn't done as much as Tom Brady yet gets a lot of hype. I would like to see why you think he is a better quarterback and has done a lot better than Brady. I'm ready for your reasons....


He wasn't just any ordinary person on the team. He was the MVP quarterback... do you not understand that?


You can judge Tom Brady by his wins and statistics, both are good.

No, people like Peyton Manning and Brett Farve would get in if I decided who, they were great, not people like Brady.

They don't do that for 75% of the teams... you must not watch all the crap on ESPN all the time... They give the bad teams like only a few seconds on, except for teams like the Red Sox, or Yankees. If they do bad, it is the main story. Pirates doing bad? Who cares, THE RED SOX ARE DOING BAD!1... Sure, maybe that's what brings them money, but it's annoying.


He does good in the regular season, but not good enough to be considered Hall of Fame locked...

3 SUPERBOWLS, TEAM GAME HIS TEAM WON IT, NOT JUST HIM.

Trivial things like statistics? How else do you judge how good a player is, by what team he is on?

Peyton Manning hasn't done as much as Tom Brady?



Give me all the NFL records Brady broke?

I understand, but all that means is that he played well in the Superbowl, it doesn't mean he is one of the best QBs.

Brady's stats are definately not good enough to get into the Hall of Fame right now, and his wins are his TEAM wins. He is not doing it himself, it's his team.

I am not saying that he is the best quarterback, it is just that he is one of them. He and Manning I believe are the two best quarterbacks in the NFL. I also agree that Michael Vick, Donovan McNabb, and a few others are also some of the best. But the two I have seen to be the greatest are Brady and Manning.

You seriously think Michael Vick is one of the best quarterbacks? He can hardly throw

You realize that all of those statistics are worthless when it comes to the playoffs, right? I think you left this part out.


So yup, Peyton Manning is definitely better than Brady. He beats up on horrible teams and can't win the big games!

I said that they are good and that Manning and Brady are one of the best. And this is why he is what we call a scrambling quarterback. Yes he can throw or else he wouldnt be a quarterback!

Or, try his team isn't as good?
Horrible teams? I don't think so, he plays against a bunch of good teams in the regular season, a lot of which end up going to the playoffs.

He can "HARDLY" throw. Not good enough to be considered one of the best quarterbacks.

Yea, right.... they are 9-1 right now and were 14-2 last year and the year before that they were 12-4. That's the marking of a bad team alright...lmao.

Or didn't play as well? It's not his fault 100% because they lost, IT IS A TEAM GAME!

Seriously, even if his team was good, why should all the blame be put on him?[/rhetorical question] Don't answer that, because the answer is it shouldn't...

It's not 100% but the majority of it is because he is the quarterback and leader of the team.

And what if their defense as a whole plays bad, or Manning doesn't play well enough to make up for his defense's deficiencies? Is it his fault that he has to play well in order for his team to win, where others like Tom Brady can have an average game, and still manage to win.

Brady played well when his team was giving up a lot of points in the Superbowl. But Manning consistantly throws interceptions in the playoffs at the worst time and kills his team spirit.

You forgot this stat too:

Again, it's one of the negatives of having a different style of offense. Surely that one stat isn't going to make or break a quarterback. And 40 isn't that bad, I don't think. That's less than 1 interception a game. And Constantly throws interceptions? That's not true :\

Well not as much as in the past but aginst like NE and other teams as of late he has.

Well three superbowls when you are that young, all his Hall of Fame caliber stats, and clutch performances; yes he is in.


Why would you get angry? They have the biggest payrolls and people enjoy watching them play. They would rather watch the two highest payrolls play each other than two crappy low payroll teams. Yes their are low payroll teams that people watch and stuff but they don't have as many fans as the red sox and yankees do.

Also of course they are going to do that about the patriots because they have been a winning team the past half decade. We are used to them being really good. They could just talk about all the crap teams being bad if you want.

The Patriots didn't get all that attention either until they became really good.

I'm sorry World Champsionship teams get press coverage.



Wait I tought the reason for them playing football was to win the championship and to see has the best team. You can't have the best team if you don't have the best players. A reason Brady doesnt have the stats peyton manning has is because the pats style of offence. They don't go as deep. So brady isnt going to have as many passing yards as peyton does.


and the fact that bledsoe gets sacked everyother play because he needs no one withing a mile of him when hes in the pocket. The patriots had a good team then too. but you cant win superbowls without a good quarterback who doesnt choke.


Football is completely different.


I love hearing about the tampa bay devil rays and the kansas city royals!! yay FUN THATS WHY I WATCH SPORTS CENTER to watch the losing teams replays.


The argument isn't wether Peyton should be in or not because I agree peyton is a hall of fame player it's whether tom brady is. Tom Brady has way above average stats and his and his teams have won three superbowl rings. Which is the whole reason most nfl players play. To win championships. Of course some people play for the paycheck.


His statistics are a huge reason his TEAM gets those wins.

Joe Montana was just like tom brady, cameback in the clutch and won superbowls but didnt have as good as statistics as marino. and tom doesnt have stats like peyton.

I'm not quoting, they always seem to screw up in my posts

3 Superbowl rings, team effort. Hall of fame callibur stats? SINCE WHEN!?!? He is definately not that good, statistics wise. Clutch performance, I'll give him that, he has played "clutch" in a good amount of games, but I don't think it's enough for a lock for the Hall of Fame yet..

No, you're missing the point. If the Red Sox, Patriots, or whatever other team is doing bad, I really don't want to hear about them, which is why it pisses me off, as when the Red Sox are doing bad, it's a headline story. I would like for people to talk about how teams are doing good =\

Right, but we are comparing 1 player to another here, in a team game, and you're trying to include a team accomplishment in the comparison, which isn't fair since it's a TEAM GAME.

Bledsoe is a lot older than he was when he was starting for the Patriots, just so you know... it's not like he has always been like that. But he has been a productive quarterback throughout his career, it's not like he sucks.

What I was comparing is EXACTLY the same. You guys are trying to give Brady credit for something he helped on, but did not do alone. For example, when a pitcher gets a win in the MLB, he is given the win, but he's not the one who neccesarilly got it. What if he gives up 5 runs, and his team hits 6 runs. Just because he gets the win doesn't mean he performed well, or is a good pitcher. That's why wins are a bad statistic to base how good a pitcher is, because a pitcher could be lights out and his team could just be bad at hitting, so he could never get any wins.

You missed the point, I don't want to hear about how the Boston Red Sox are 2-20, I would rather hear about how (Insert team here) are 20-2, but the bigger story is going to be how the Sox are 2-20, which pisses me off.

So are his defense, yet you're giving Brady credit for something his whole team accomplished. =\

Except, that Montana's stats were exceptionally well, check them out...
Career
5,391 passes attempted
3,409 passes completed
40,551 passing yards
273 passing touchdowns
139 passes intercepted
38.7 passing attempts per interception
457 carries
1,676 rushing yards
20 rushing touchdowns

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Post-season records and statistics
732 passes attempted
463 passes completed
5,945 passing yards (250.9 ypg)
45 passing touchdowns
21 passes intercepted
34.8 passing attempts per interception in the postseason
310 rushing yards
10 rushing touchdowns
8 Pro Bowls
3 Super Bowl MVP awards
4 Super Bowl victories
Zero career interceptions thrown during 4 Super Bowl appearances

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Seasons among the league's top 10
Pass attempts: 1981-8, 1982-1, 1983-4, 1984-10, 1985-6, 1987-8, 1990-4, 1994-8
Completions: 1981-4, 1982-2, 1983-3, 1984-7, 1985-3, 1987-2, 1988-10, 1990-2, 1994-9
Passing yards: 1981-8, 1982-2, 1983-4, 1984-6, 1985-5, 1987-5, 1989-8, 1990-3, 1994-10
Passing TDs: 1982-1t, 1983-4t, 1984-3t, 1985-2t, 1987-1, 1988-8t, 1989-4, 1990-3
Adjusted yards per pass: 1980-10, 1981-7, 1982-6, 1983-7, 1984-2, 1985-5, 1987-3, 1988-6, 1989-1, 1990-7, 1993-8

Among the league's all-time top 50
Pass attempts: 9
Completions: 8
Passing yards: 9
Passing TDs: 7

So basically you can say that Peyton Manning's statistics are partly from his team because he has amazing recievers who make amazing catches even when he throws bad passes. He has Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and many other Pro- Bowl recievers/tight end caliber people on his team.

Yes, you can a bit.
But we ALL know what Peyton Manning does, EVERY SINGLE WEEK.

And we know what brady does every single week. (minus a couple bad games but even peyton has them.)



but chances are if you pitcher has a career record of 100-20 then he is good.

Brady doesn't do much that a normal quarterback doesn't do, IMO. But Peyton, he does run the offense, much like coach.

But does that mean that he's better than some pitcher that's 60-60? Nope =\

(It really pissed me off when Bartolo Colon won the Cy Young just because he had a lot of wins.)