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If you dont believe in God, you would clearly have not stated "We're already "playing God", like it or not."
Even if its not for the religious sake, you are still ruining your child. What about genetic mutations? What about side effects when they grow up? How can you prove its your child in court?

Actually, he was critiquing the "playing god" argument. It is oft best to use the other side's logic to disprove their point.


You are not ruining your child. You are making them healthier and better. There won't be any genetic mutations, as you will be controlling against them. The side effects will only be positive. You would be able to prove it was your child in court because you would have to have a doctor help you "choose" what traits you wanted in the child. As a result, there would be documented proof of the parent.

Oh yeah, a piece of paper, I'm sure the judges would really use that as proof. They use DNA gel electro tests. If it doesnt match, its not your baby according to the court. Basically traits = DNA, genes, chromosomes. How would you know if there arent any genetic mutations? Genetic Mutations happens everywhere, thats why there are biotechs trying to find a way to fix that. Also how about this? "Mom, why don't I look like you or daddy?" "Oh, because we bought some traits and changed the outcome of how you were supose to come out" ":( I'm a monster!"
Ever saw or heard of Frankenstien? Hmm, I wonder how he was made. Different body parts which many different parts. If he even looks like his creator or mother.

Yeah, like people use birth certificates as proof. It would be legally binding and admissible in court (unless you want to argue that no legal documents should EVER be used in any court case).


Genetic mutations are caused by errors in chromosomes. We have mapped out the human genome and can examine the chromosomes of the parents. We KNOW what genes cause genetic mutations can CAN fix it.


How about this? "Mom, why don't I look like you or daddy (which they would as parents tend to like the way their mate looks and would have their offspring be similar)?" "Oh, because if we hadn't you would have had a horrible genetic defect instead of being the beautiful and handsome child you are." "Oh, gee, thanks Mom! I didn't want to have Huntington's Disease / Down's Syndrome / Tay Sachs Disease / Turner's Disease / Cystic Fibrosis / Multiple Schlerosis / Autism / Klinefelter's Syndrome / Cleft Palate / Many, Many More / Even More! =D"

Oh yeah, I'm sure. Just because of curing diseases. I'm sure the kid really gives a nucking fut.

Birth certficiates cant do anything. Ive seen many court cases where they use DNA gel eletrco tests for proof mostly

Would you want autism? Or multiple schlerosis? Or Klinefelter's syndrome? I seriously doubt it. The kid would care. Birth certificates can do many things. Anyways, that is a moot point, as designer babies involve sperm and eggs from the parents, so there would be a genetic link. Parents merely choose the embryo that their sperm and egg cells combined to make and implant that embryo into the mother. The child would genetically a descendant of both parents, except in the case of a donation.

He would think that he wouldnt even belong with his group of friends who are most likely going to be normal. "Hi guys, can I play with you?" "OH MY GAW! RUN ITS THE FREAK!"

Yeah, just like kids run away from the adopted kid. First of all, they wouldn't even know, and second of all, it would be incredibly commonplace if we allowed it.

Adopted? Whats wrong with that. Being genetically engineered is being a monster because you were created and edited.

Exactly. There is nothing wrong with it.


No, it's not being a monster. I don't see how choosing the best traits makes a person a monster. The person would have exactly the same traits as other people.

I never said there was anything wrong with being adopted.

And they woudlnt have exactly the same traits as other people. Everyone has different traits.

Yeah, that was my point. Being adopted is more "monsterlike" than being a designer baby, because designer babies are genetically related to their parents. Adopted children are not like monsters at all and neither are the designer babies.


No new traits would appear in designer babies. All of their traits could be found in other people.

Do you know anything about genetics? Our characteristics are from our traits. You said that everyone has exactly the same traits which is physically impossible and genetically impossible. Also, if you were to design your baby, it wouldnt have the same traits due to change.

Actually, I'm taking my second year of biology right now. We just discussed this issue today. The traits that the child has are actively present in the gene pool. I was saying that the traits were from the gene pool, not that everyone has the same genes. The designer child may have the same color eyes as another person at their school, the same skin color, etc.

I'm taking Biotechnology, which happens to be about genetic engineering, medicine, trait altering, and other life technologies, so I probably know more info about this.

You seem to be letting your ideas of ethics prevent you from benefitting the lives of humans.

ethics overrule human benifit...like in those concentration camps in ww2...where they did experimentation on humans...

Echo. 1. Pay more attention to it, medical information on this is a Ph.D class document, so you know as much as we do right now. You are highly uninformed to some what extent. Getting rid of genetic markers doesn't mean it changes the DNA. Also, using other parts of creatures or people with genetically different markers will backfire, thus the child dying. You can only have the traits of the sibling/parent/bloodline family.
And they aren't experimenting on humans. They are PERFORMING it on humans. Performing surgeries aren't unethical.

I particularily support this idea.

I was talking about DNAs. Your eye colors, hair color, height, skin color all comes from Genes, DNA, or the arrangements of nucleotides.

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PossessedCow

No, if you read my posts, it is based on facts and if you have no morals or ethics at all, you arent human.

Morals and ethics are not what make us human. DNA is. That's not even an opinion.

Mutations are more likely caused by radiation chemical rearrangement rather than a deliberate rearrangement. I think that doctors would know how to rearrange DNA so that it is identical to their parents.

( loser... - shhhh... )

That's a completely different situation. We are benefiting mankind without any harm to any humans. That is not at all equivalent to the massacre of millions of people.


Your posts aren't based on facts, they were based on you assuming what children would think. I do have morals and ethics, they just happen to be different than the majority of Christian morals.

Back to the first post...



Source??

There is very little reason for this to happen. It is highly likely that, in any family where the parents used genetic engineering on their baby, the kid would have been brought up understanding that there is nothing wrong with being genetically modified. The kids who would be against it are the kids brought up in families who wouldn't have used it anyway.

In any case, a kid who said that would just be flat wrong. When you start looking at it directly rather than reflected off the inside of the Bible, you find that there is really no logical reason that a kid genetically modified to be superior would automatically be a monster/freak/insult to nature/whatever.

WHAT? This is so obviously and blatantly false I don't know how a sentient being could even come up with it. Out of 6500000000 people in the world, what percentage can you name who care more about looking like their parents than about being healthy? Do even you care more about looking like your parents than being healthy? When's the last time you consciously cared about looking like your parents at all? I don't if you've ever looked in the mirror and thought 'Gee, am I ever proud to look like my parents!', but I sure haven't and I have difficulty imagining any rational person doing it.

Except that, surprise, once the technology is available many and possibly even most of the other kids will have been genetically modified too. This kind of problem will only affect the first few genetically modified kids, and then only if one, the other kids know they've been modified, and two, the other kids are a bunch of bigots who can't think up anything better to do than insult someone for something they couldn't help and which doesn't even make them worse in any way.

I don't see how on Earth you could reach this conclusion.

Let's look at an example. We have three people:
- Person A is exceptionally smart and strong and healthy, and inherited his traits from his parents.
- Person B has exactly the same genes as person A, but they were modified from what he originally had.
- Person C is exactly like person A, except that he has been in a car accident, and while he was unconscious at the hospital his parents demanded that he be given a prosthetic arm, and the doctors complied.

According to you:
- Person A is not a monster.
- Person B is a monster, because although he is genetically exactly the same as person A, there was an event in his past over which he had absolutely no control, did not make him any different from the non-monster person A, and which did not happen to person A.
- Person C is not a monster, because although he is genetically exactly the same as person A, there was an event in his past over which he had absolutely no control, did make him different from the non-monster person A, and which did not happen to person A.

I completely fail to see any logic in this. Could you explain how this makes sense?

Not necessarily. There are modifications we could make which do not appear naturally. However, EcHo did not specify that that was the case, and it wouldn't make any difference anyway (all we'd have to do would be to replace persons A and C with extraterrestrials who happened to be much like humans).

Wow. I am astounded. I thought EcHo's statement above was the height of blatant illogic, but somehow, miraculously, you have managed to top it.

Those experiments did not benefit humanity. Most of them were not for finding new medical technology but rather for developing new ways of killing lots of people at once.

MicAarZur. Go to google, and search "Designer Babies" or in wikipedia.
Also. You cannot insert other's genes onto a embryo of another. It will genetically react and will kill the embryo. This is like giving a A type blood on a B type blood guy.