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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2007-01-04 at 19:58:22
I was assuming the people who didn't want to write much would give the DLDB file the normal 1-10 public rating we have now and write a couple of lines or so in the comments on the page. Reviews would be more formal and extended with more in-depth analysis.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pyro-Fire on 2007-01-04 at 20:07:30
personally i would disable exe's altogether, because if a dldb keeper were to run an exe that was infected and not picked up by their antivirus...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2007-01-04 at 22:07:37
Thats the point of having DLDB keepers screen through them. Personally I had anti-virus software installed at all times when I was dealing with things in the DLDB because you never know - but I never encountered anything of the sort. Link everyone to AVG or something if you're worried about them getting viruses.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2007-01-04 at 22:19:46
Maybe all reviews should be visible without approval, but then the moderators come in just to make sure every one gets looked at and dish out the appropriate reward (or deletion).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PCFredZ on 2007-01-04 at 22:27:13
QUOTE(Tuxedo Templar @ Jan 4 2007, 05:46 PM)
If we can assume the rewards for helping with staff functions like reviews are worth it to people, then that might work.
Had a new idea recently when looking at maplantis's option of picking more than one type of "report" to give a map.  You could expand on that by making it possible to take the place of writing full reviews altogether, where instead users can pick out terms to "describe" the map from a set provided in a list or box or something.  That way the software itself would have something to work with to know a map's qualities.  How's that for automation?

Theoretically with that it'd even being able to use the descriptions provided to automatically move maps to the categories they're most appropriate for (useful if categories were to change later), create "most difficult defense map" or "most disturbing movie map" or other abstract categories, filter out bad ones, etc.  Of course anything that ends up on the filter queue would have to be checked by moderators.  Plus maps found in the wrong place can be "reported" separately to counter abuse.
I don't know.  Just an idea I was thinking about.
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QUOTE(Mini Moose 2707 @ Jan 4 2007, 09:19 PM)
Maybe all reviews should be visible without approval, but then the moderators come in just to make sure every one gets looked at and dish out the appropriate reward (or deletion).
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I like these two combined.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tuxedo Templar on 2007-01-04 at 22:40:57
We should add a button when you submit a review: "Have you played this map yet?"

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Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2007-01-04 at 23:40:02
QUOTE(IsolatedPurity @ Jan 4 2007, 08:26 AM)
I'm going to try.  It all plays out nicely in my head.  Here we go:

We have the DLDB, works mostly like before but there is no pre-approval (except for things containing .exe's).  Users submit maps.
Other users review these submissions, critiqueing the map on gameplay and etc, generalized rating 1 to 10, but more importantly, alerting us to which maps aren't worthy to be in the database.  The idea here, for them, is that good first reviews get rewarded first than a good review 50th on the list, more or less.  We also have a simple report button for users who wish to tell us a map is utter crap without writting a review, necessarily.
Other such users can rate a review on 1 to 10 on it's worthiness.  No reward necessarily, but it'll bump up better reviews to the top of the pile and crapty ones will go down the list, if not deleted.  This is where the submitter, if the author, comes back into play.  If I was an author of a map, I would be checking the reviews and if someone was being stupid, I would report it to get it off my file.

People who manage the DLDB can do random checking on files, reviews, whateverm besides the "this file is getting horrible reviews / 'not worthy to be in the database' values."  Here is what furthers the system's usefulness:  if a manager checks out a file (at random or otherwise), s/he can put his stamp of approval on the file, keeping it out of the automatic "this file might need to be checked" list.

If the managers still proceed to go through every file, more power to them.  But they won't necessarily need to do so.  Ultimately, the goal is faster approval, more user interaction, community management, and actually BETTER checking of files, opposed to one person checking the files out.  And that makes it worth the try.

And so I'm going to try that.  And so... Moose, I don't want to disregard(?) your effort and time, but I want the reviews to be apart of the dldb itself, in the manner described above.
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QUOTE(Mini Moose 2707 @ Jan 4 2007, 07:19 PM)
Maybe all reviews should be visible without approval, but then the moderators come in just to make sure every one gets looked at and dish out the appropriate reward (or deletion).
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Yes, these two might work.

I think we need to find a way, by some means, to come up with a complicated reputation constant if we ever expect the community to function like this. Something needs to let a machine sort the members from "best" to "worst", so you are able to sort review by the reputation of the reviewer. Somehow, Staff opinions of these reviews and many other factors should go into this number, BUT I think a number is needed so the a the script can tell which members are more respected than others.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2007-01-05 at 00:44:11
Once you find some good reviewers.... search by author. smile.gif
You have some serious fixation on comparing things numerically, DT. It scares me. tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2007-01-05 at 01:08:09
Machines understand only numbers, and I'd like to put into place a system that has some simple if not perfect way of telling apart members without getting into their backgrounds.

It doesn't help I'm somewhat of a math geek, either tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodle77(MM) on 2007-01-05 at 18:12:48
How about tagging in the v5 DB?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2007-01-05 at 18:14:50
tagging?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodle77(MM) on 2007-01-05 at 18:33:26
Like on youtube or slashdot, but people will be able to tag downloads.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2007-01-05 at 18:35:27
Tag as in how? Save to favorites?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2007-01-05 at 19:22:20
I think he means related tags. Like I tag a Minas Tirith map as LOTR when I submit it meaning its related to the LOTR universe and such.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2007-01-05 at 19:25:22
Tags: Mini Moose 2707 motivation work energy creativity imagination good vibes

Search by tag: (dun dun dun)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodle77(MM) on 2007-01-05 at 22:17:39
Well, I was thinking more community-based tagging, also, you can have certain tags be special, i.e. you can tag maps 'stolen' or 'reviewme' and things will happen.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2007-01-06 at 03:27:15
Basically seems like what Tux suggested?
"OMG THIS SHOULD BE DELETED. NOW."
"Incorrect author."
"Missing screenshot." (melee)
Etc?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodle77(MM) on 2007-01-06 at 10:28:20
sí señor
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2007-01-06 at 13:08:47
How about starting a v5 DLDB topic? It's a whole other system. tongue.gif
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