Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-03-26 at 17:32:58
QUOTE(Jet_Blast54 @ Mar 26 2005, 02:31 PM)
*Off topic Rant*
Umm. he's talking about me Jet_blast... not Indecisiveman... -.-... read the posts...
But on the on-topic point of your post, I whole-heartedly agree Jet_blast!!!
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Hypocrite, because this topic is not about Christians and you are obviously trying to make it into an arguement about Christians, don't avoid your own arguements, then be a hypocrite.
Umm.. the topic title is Gays vs. Christians.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2005-03-26 at 17:39:11
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Umm.. the topic title is Gays vs. Christians.
woops, got a little blind in my anger. -.-
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Umm. he's talking about me Jet_blast... not Indecisiveman... -.-... read the posts...
I know I know, but I hold a heavy grudge against him for a CERTAIN arguement we had in which he, in his concieted glory, pmed me back saying that I suck and other things and then blocked me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2005-03-26 at 17:47:42
Alright, I made a conscience decision to be bisexual and open myself up to months of denial, guilt, and self-hatred , low self esteem, and possible ridicule. I declared in the night that I wanted people to yell " 
you faggot" at me, I wanted people to call me a sinner, I wanted to burn in hell for all eternity! Yes, I decided I wanted the possibility of my existence being a literal Hell! /sarcasm You don't have a God damn clue about what it's like. No man can fairly judge something he himself has not experienced.
you faggot" at me, I wanted people to call me a sinner, I wanted to burn in hell for all eternity! Yes, I decided I wanted the possibility of my existence being a literal Hell! /sarcasm You don't have a God damn clue about what it's like. No man can fairly judge something he himself has not experienced.Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-03-26 at 17:47:55
Ouch... well.. thats what happens in blind rage... at least you realize everyone is fallible 
... I wish both Christians, atheists, evolutionists, gays, blacks, Mexicans, British, AND agnostics realized that and wouldn't be so conceited (>.<)
Luckily for me, I'm a Kirby, so I don't have to worry about that!! horray!!!
... I wish both Christians, atheists, evolutionists, gays, blacks, Mexicans, British, AND agnostics realized that and wouldn't be so conceited (>.<)Luckily for me, I'm a Kirby, so I don't have to worry about that!! horray!!!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-03-26 at 18:44:05
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Gay as a Negative Adjective is So Gay!
Now I'm not one to be PC, the term alone is enough to make me want to beat a Muslim with a fetus. However, I feel I have matured enough to finally take a firm stand on the middle school definition of something that is sucky or... Gay. To be fair, a gay man can be very sucky --usually to another gay man or group of gay men. But the term gay as a synonym for shitty, crappy, bad, or stupid has officially run its course. Like the O.C., it's O.ver.
First off, it's phenomenally rude. Do you think it would really fly with my brothers and sisters of color out there if someone asked you, "Hey did you catch that new John Stamos show Jake in Progress?"and you responded, "Nah, that shit looks totally African American." You'd be black soon too, friend. Black and blue. And how would all my sexy yellow Asian pals out there feel if someone asked you, "Hey did you ever read the Da Vinci Code?" and you responded, "Dude, reading is so Oriental." Not only would they tell you that Oriental is a type of rug or cuisine and not a person, but they would also hit you in the face with a stick of bamboo. Bamboo + BAM! = boo boo.
Secondly, have you honestly ever met a gay guy who wasn't cooler than just about everyone you know? They dress better than us. They do cooler drugs than us. Their drinks are stronger and more colorful. Their witty comments are far more hilarious than ours, and their zingers zing like the tangy taste of frikkin' Miracle Whip. You and I both know that gay dudes are always surrounded by gorgeous women who fawn over their every move and would gladly let them touch their tits.
I've seen like 53 gay guys just grab a chick's tits and the chick will laugh and laugh or make like she loves it and it's the hottest thing ever. When I grab a chick's tits I either have a lawsuit on my hands or far worse, a serious relationship!
How is it that the word gay became associated with something that wasn't cool? It's not like on Queer Eye the Fab Five come in and make your apartment look like the Jersey Turnpike. You know, really awful. They make it look great, awesome, dare I say fabulous! They buy you cool clothes, they save your hair from looking like it's the '90s, they make you hipper than you really are. Yet how do you reward Carson, Tom, Jai, et al? By saying that the hockey strike is so gay as is the whole damn sport as well as the entire nation of Canada.
Yes professional hockey sucks :censored: , but it is certainly not gay, sir! Granted there are grown men on ice skates, a lot of stick handling, and once those teeth are knocked out nothin' beats a gummy blowjob. But dammit, hockey is not gay.
I propose a new and improved term for things that honk. The next time one of your chums asks, "Hey are you going to go see Miss Congeniality 2 next weekend?" Why don't you try out my new patented buzzword for the blowworthy. "Miss Congeniality 2: Armed and Fabulous? Are you out of your mind? That shit looks completely CHRISTIAN." Let's face it. There is nothing less cool than Christianity. Try watching a little Trinity Broadcast Network for a while. Stick around for their hip-hop or skateboarding shows. Go check out Mel Gibson's The Passion Recut. Or better yet, chillax with the gang down at your local campus ministries program. Trust me, after 3 minutes of free pizza, bible reading, and the old hymn sing you'll say to yourself, "Jesus Christ these people are :censored: ing Christian!"
Now I'm not one to be PC, the term alone is enough to make me want to beat a Muslim with a fetus. However, I feel I have matured enough to finally take a firm stand on the middle school definition of something that is sucky or... Gay. To be fair, a gay man can be very sucky --usually to another gay man or group of gay men. But the term gay as a synonym for shitty, crappy, bad, or stupid has officially run its course. Like the O.C., it's O.ver.
First off, it's phenomenally rude. Do you think it would really fly with my brothers and sisters of color out there if someone asked you, "Hey did you catch that new John Stamos show Jake in Progress?"and you responded, "Nah, that shit looks totally African American." You'd be black soon too, friend. Black and blue. And how would all my sexy yellow Asian pals out there feel if someone asked you, "Hey did you ever read the Da Vinci Code?" and you responded, "Dude, reading is so Oriental." Not only would they tell you that Oriental is a type of rug or cuisine and not a person, but they would also hit you in the face with a stick of bamboo. Bamboo + BAM! = boo boo.
Secondly, have you honestly ever met a gay guy who wasn't cooler than just about everyone you know? They dress better than us. They do cooler drugs than us. Their drinks are stronger and more colorful. Their witty comments are far more hilarious than ours, and their zingers zing like the tangy taste of frikkin' Miracle Whip. You and I both know that gay dudes are always surrounded by gorgeous women who fawn over their every move and would gladly let them touch their tits.
I've seen like 53 gay guys just grab a chick's tits and the chick will laugh and laugh or make like she loves it and it's the hottest thing ever. When I grab a chick's tits I either have a lawsuit on my hands or far worse, a serious relationship!
How is it that the word gay became associated with something that wasn't cool? It's not like on Queer Eye the Fab Five come in and make your apartment look like the Jersey Turnpike. You know, really awful. They make it look great, awesome, dare I say fabulous! They buy you cool clothes, they save your hair from looking like it's the '90s, they make you hipper than you really are. Yet how do you reward Carson, Tom, Jai, et al? By saying that the hockey strike is so gay as is the whole damn sport as well as the entire nation of Canada.
Yes professional hockey sucks :censored: , but it is certainly not gay, sir! Granted there are grown men on ice skates, a lot of stick handling, and once those teeth are knocked out nothin' beats a gummy blowjob. But dammit, hockey is not gay.
I propose a new and improved term for things that honk. The next time one of your chums asks, "Hey are you going to go see Miss Congeniality 2 next weekend?" Why don't you try out my new patented buzzword for the blowworthy. "Miss Congeniality 2: Armed and Fabulous? Are you out of your mind? That shit looks completely CHRISTIAN." Let's face it. There is nothing less cool than Christianity. Try watching a little Trinity Broadcast Network for a while. Stick around for their hip-hop or skateboarding shows. Go check out Mel Gibson's The Passion Recut. Or better yet, chillax with the gang down at your local campus ministries program. Trust me, after 3 minutes of free pizza, bible reading, and the old hymn sing you'll say to yourself, "Jesus Christ these people are :censored: ing Christian!"
I'm quoting this because it's from a site that contains things that may not be suitable for shelterd people. The author of this is a user going by the named of "Bruce". I think it has a lot of good points, it's funny and it's so true (at least to anyone who isn't offended XD). If any of the content in this post offends you, tough shit asshole =D.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-03-26 at 18:57:08
Bravo!!! Man.. I wish we had Karma back... 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chill on 2005-03-26 at 22:42:09
That was pretty funny but gay is like my most favorite insult ever.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-03-26 at 23:20:09
I'm going to ridicule you, sir, the creator of this topic for a few minutes.
Here I was. It snowed thursday, so I was doing stuff outside of SEN, because that's how I work. Last night my friend came over. I got on today and I was like "How refreshing. No PMs with problems from Serious Discussion in three whole days." and then I see this crap and I'm like dude wtf?
What makes you so powerful and mighty to say that all christians ridicule gays?
Why are you saying we 'hate' them (for isn't that the reason for ridicule?), when you can hardly keep your finger from pointing in the Christian's face? If anyone deserves to be bashed for making fun of others 'cause they're different' it should be you!
I hardly would say I hate gays, sir. I know many gay people, and if I do not like them, it has nothing whatsoever to do with their sexual preferance.
Consider it blind rage. To be honest, there are two ways to get a point across; calmly, and loudly. I'd like to think I'm loud. Very damn loud.
I am expecting an apology for grouping me with a bunch of people you have never met. There are many people throughout who claim to be christians but they aren't. There are 'exorcists' who claim that having bad hair is caused by a demon. What type of crap is that? Do not group us all together.
Here I was. It snowed thursday, so I was doing stuff outside of SEN, because that's how I work. Last night my friend came over. I got on today and I was like "How refreshing. No PMs with problems from Serious Discussion in three whole days." and then I see this crap and I'm like dude wtf?
What makes you so powerful and mighty to say that all christians ridicule gays?
Why are you saying we 'hate' them (for isn't that the reason for ridicule?), when you can hardly keep your finger from pointing in the Christian's face? If anyone deserves to be bashed for making fun of others 'cause they're different' it should be you!
I hardly would say I hate gays, sir. I know many gay people, and if I do not like them, it has nothing whatsoever to do with their sexual preferance.
Consider it blind rage. To be honest, there are two ways to get a point across; calmly, and loudly. I'd like to think I'm loud. Very damn loud.
I am expecting an apology for grouping me with a bunch of people you have never met. There are many people throughout who claim to be christians but they aren't. There are 'exorcists' who claim that having bad hair is caused by a demon. What type of crap is that? Do not group us all together.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by indecisiveman on 2005-03-26 at 23:27:31
Well, in harsh words....yes that is what I was saying. 
I was trying not to lose my cool but seeing as how it is kind of ok now that FireKame is on the spot, here I go. I think it is plain crap that every darn topic is "Christianity this" or Christianity that"(for lack of better titles 
) I say we take time to blow up on other religions or groups of people. But that is just me being angry. This topic is dumb because you can find people form EVERY damn group who make fun of certian people(and in our case especially gays). It is stereotypical to say that Christians make fun of gays when in truth we do it the least because in the Bible it says NOT to judge people. I have my own personal preferences of course but I don't let it get in the way of religion. So why don't you make another topic. "atheists and gays". See what you find there. I am done with this now thanks.
I was trying not to lose my cool but seeing as how it is kind of ok now that FireKame is on the spot, here I go. I think it is plain crap that every darn topic is "Christianity this" or Christianity that"(for lack of better titles ) I say we take time to blow up on other religions or groups of people. But that is just me being angry. This topic is dumb because you can find people form EVERY damn group who make fun of certian people(and in our case especially gays). It is stereotypical to say that Christians make fun of gays when in truth we do it the least because in the Bible it says NOT to judge people. I have my own personal preferences of course but I don't let it get in the way of religion. So why don't you make another topic. "atheists and gays". See what you find there. I am done with this now thanks.Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-03-26 at 23:37:20
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alot of christians
He didn't say all Christians FireKame, don't overeact please. However, I've been told by a Christian (he said he was Christian) that he hates Gay people because it's against his religion. He told me it was because Gay's are immoral and that that is the sole reason for his hate. Is this untrue of your religion and this guy was just being a jackass? Or are you in denile? I could go on but I don't want to upset you =D
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I know many gay people
Good for you =D ...yes that's sort of out of context but still, common, that's on of the dumbest arguments in the world.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-03-26 at 23:42:11
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Gays vs. Christians, why do christains make fun of them?
the topic title is what I'm referring to, especially the sub level stuff.
Hate the sin, not the sinner. Christian proverb, of sorts. Few follow it anymore, I know. I disagree with being gay, but I'm not going to damn them to hell over it. It isn't my place to judge.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2005-03-26 at 23:50:53
Did anyone even read my post? I don't recall making a conscious decision to be bisexual, so how is it a sin? It's essentially saying "we should love balck people because they're people too, but we should hate the fact that they're black". As I said before, no man can fairly judge something he himself has not experienced.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-03-26 at 23:53:34
I guess what it comes down to is that I don't see much proof that being gay is something you're born with. I think your surroundings make you gay.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-03-27 at 00:01:57
That's bullshit. Some people are just smarter (on diffrent levels) than others like some people are just diffrent. I'm going to say something that may offend some of you, so if you take things to heart don't read the following. People will generally do what they want (hopefully, some people are born sheep) unless they were born into a religion that kills their ability to be objective in their decisions. Since there is no such things as a gay Christian (pending my experience with the person who said Christianity teaches that gay people are immoral is true) then they must have made their "choice" objectivly. In any case surrondings rarly affect ones decisions unless they strip them of their ability to be objective.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-03-27 at 00:15:06
Have you ever heard of Pyschology? Or do you think that it does not count as science?
Surroundings do make people. I'm living proof of it. Not of the gay issues, but other issues I stand firmly on I stand on because of my expierences. Expereinces are surroundings.
a gay can be a christian, just as a guy who steals can be a christian.
Surroundings do make people. I'm living proof of it. Not of the gay issues, but other issues I stand firmly on I stand on because of my expierences. Expereinces are surroundings.
a gay can be a christian, just as a guy who steals can be a christian.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-03-27 at 00:21:43
I'm not a christian... but i hate gays! not all gays though.... gotta love lesbians...
man i love lesbians................I LOVE LESBIANS!
man i love lesbians................I LOVE LESBIANS!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-03-27 at 00:32:14
FireKame, I'll tell you what I do believe in, psychology... spelling mistakes aside you're missing my point. If someone has a choice they'll do what best suits them (unless they plan on doing something incredibly noble in which case they either just want to be remembered or they really are selfless). Gays have a "choice" on what aroses them more, men or women just like strait people do. Ones surrondings cannot affect a decision unless they restrict you. It is very difficult to restrict sexual prefrence without making it seem to be something unwelcomed. Neither of us can really get into a discussion about psychology because we have yet to become learned (as in a doctors degree) of the subject. Even those who do often make mistakes. You say people who steal can be Christians even though it is obviously against the religion (I should hope), does that mean gays are obviously against the relgion? Before I go on I want you to answer me this, do you think being attracted to the same sex is a fetish?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-03-27 at 00:44:28
You're changing the context of the words in order to fit your purpose when you were discussing stealing something to becoming gay.
thieves are to gays
as
people who steal are to people who are gay.
Gay tendencies are against the religon, as is the tendency to steal. Thieves and Gays do not contradict christianity unless they continue fully knowing it is against the religion. That is probably the most closed minded statement I think I have ever made.
Same Sex Attraction can be a fetish. It matters what level the relationship is on, really. Fetish leads to lust and if a guy just has to have sex with a man for no reason beyond the fact that he is a hot man, that is a fetish, isn't it? I'm not very well versed in this type of lingo...in case you didn't know.
As to two gays being truthfully in love...I have yet to see it. This is probably based on that I'm still in high school and all, but most of my gay friends have their relationships because they lust after the other person (in other words, they tell me how much they want to jump the other's bones. Lord knows why they tell me), or because they are spiting someone. My ex boyfriend is gay to make a point to his father that he couldn't control him. If there are any motives beyond that...I have yet to see them.
thieves are to gays
as
people who steal are to people who are gay.
Gay tendencies are against the religon, as is the tendency to steal. Thieves and Gays do not contradict christianity unless they continue fully knowing it is against the religion. That is probably the most closed minded statement I think I have ever made.
Same Sex Attraction can be a fetish. It matters what level the relationship is on, really. Fetish leads to lust and if a guy just has to have sex with a man for no reason beyond the fact that he is a hot man, that is a fetish, isn't it? I'm not very well versed in this type of lingo...in case you didn't know.
As to two gays being truthfully in love...I have yet to see it. This is probably based on that I'm still in high school and all, but most of my gay friends have their relationships because they lust after the other person (in other words, they tell me how much they want to jump the other's bones. Lord knows why they tell me), or because they are spiting someone. My ex boyfriend is gay to make a point to his father that he couldn't control him. If there are any motives beyond that...I have yet to see them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2005-03-27 at 00:44:35
No. Fetish: : an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression. An example of a fetish is say, not being able to properly orgasm without having your partner in a bathing suit. However, one's surroundings do shape the person, but there are inclinations to certain things as well. Overall, it's not genetically caused, but if you're truly homosexual, you don't go back to the other side, and you certainly aren't choosing it. They have a choice on what arouses them? That's essentially saying that everyone doesn't like carrots, it's just that they choice not to like them. You're saying that one day you woke up and said "Hey, I want the other sex, definitely, only that!" No. the fact is that hormonal changes happened, and after all the conditioning your brain has been getting, the events in your life that have shaped your brain have led you to a specific partner type. Also, think about what body shape you find attractive, is it similiar to what your parents want, if they're, say, Italian, so you find Italian women more attractive, or the opposite, (something you're denied usually seems better). Oh, and your Ex-boyfriend isn't gay. Gay is not having sex/kissing/hugging/whatever with same sex, it's being sexually attracted to the same sex, and not the other sex. He's just rebeling, he's not actually gay.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-03-27 at 00:45:41
Jeez, could ya please use women as an example?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-03-27 at 00:48:19
Most lesbians I know have hit on me. I can only name one chick (who is technically bi, I guess) who hasn't, and that's cause she's dating one of my ex's.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-03-27 at 00:51:23
QUOTE(FireKame @ Mar 27 2005, 12:48 AM)
Most lesbians I know have hit on me. I can only name one chick (who is technically bi, I guess) who hasn't, and that's cause she's dating one of my ex's.
man... lucky you... i wish some lesbians would hit on me
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-03-27 at 01:06:50
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Jeez, could ya please use women as an example?
No. I can see you're going to get on my nerves during your stay.
Fetish: Something, such as a material object or a nonsexual part of the body, that arouses sexual desire and may become necessary for sexual gratification.
By my interpretation to sexual prefrence I would say this basically means something not normally sexual, such as another mans genetalia or if your case may be, another womans.
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You're changing the context of the words
I didn't change the context of anything, you made it painfully clear that being gay is just as much a sin as being a theif in your religion.
If you want to talk about what attracts one to another it would normally be just someone who is as healthy as possible. After that you might decide if they're a keeper or not via how much they annoy/entertain you. There are obvious advantages to 2 men being in a relationship... which would be that men don't take things to heart or other things that would annoy a strait guy in an average relationship. In my opinion the personalities of men and women are inherently diffrent, thus conflict, whether one enjoys this confilct or not may help to the decision of if one wants to persue a particular relationship. If one plans to have kids would also be a push/pull factor (yes there are ways for gays to have kids but none that the average schmuck can afford).
I have seen two gays truthfully be in love (in the same way a man would love a woman, that is), don't expect to find true love in a highschool. That's rediculous. As to your ex being gay to be a rebel I'm pretty sure that's just an excuse. Think the ever classy dump line "3 simple words, I AM GAY". But whatever, I'm done discussing the psychology behind someone's sexual prefrence... if I really cared I'd read some articles on it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)MinigameEast on 2005-03-27 at 01:15:30
wow this must be really serious. um ok is somewhat daid in the bible but i dont read but i heard about it. you shoudnt have sex with the same sex as you or get married. ?????? well i truely think that not all christians are against gays but alot of them do becauce they beleive to much in the bible. funny thing is i saw an episode on tv that one guy sort of ran away from a gay from that was walking down the street in new york.
also i had a lesbian hit on me once. shes not by but i think she was playing around or something. but it made me feel good. got to love girls except bitchy ones.
also i had a lesbian hit on me once. shes not by but i think she was playing around or something. but it made me feel good. got to love girls except bitchy ones.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2005-03-27 at 03:36:39
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I guess what it comes down to is that I don't see much proof that being gay is something you're born with. I think your surroundings make you gay.
FK, being a heterosexual, the burden of proof is on you to back up a statement like that. Gay people have firsthand experience with the matter, and every single one will tell you that whether or not their gayness is a product of circumstance, you have absolutely no basis for your argument against the idea of being born homosexual. I, personally, don't see how relevant it is whether or not someone is born homosexual - religion is apparently not a large factor because there are plenty of people who were brought up Christian and are gay. Whether or not circumstances define people, they should still be treated like people. Mistreating gays is like mistreating people who don't like onions. They just don't like them - does that mean they should be condemned for it?
Do you think that if your own circumstances were different that you would be gay? I doubt it. I know I wouldn't. Attraction is an involuntary feeling - no matter how many naked guys I see, I'm still going to be attracted to the ladies. And vice versa, of course.