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Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-05-07 at 22:25:55
QUOTE(n2o-Simpsons @ May 7 2005, 04:02 PM)


bad presidents vvv and many more just too lazy to think

George W bush
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Wow... I must say i do not like you... first of all, a celtics fan (they got gg'ed btw), and now your talking smack about George W....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by O)FaRTy1billion on 2005-05-07 at 22:28:23
as some people have said (about G.W.Bush):
he was elected again, that means hes been doin sumthin right.

Although I am not a fan of his... I just don't really care. Besides, hes our presedent. we should actually be respecting him.

I make myself sound like some political person sick.gif

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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cnl.Fatso on 2005-05-07 at 23:16:53
Being Canadian, I have no real opinion on US politics. And even in Canada, I just vote for the person who makes the least promises. means I'll be less disappointed when they're all broken.

Trudeau was the best Prime Minister of Canada, though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-05-09 at 18:58:08
QUOTE(n2o-Simpsons @ May 7 2005, 03:02 PM)
The ones in bold are the ones that stand out to me as GREAT presidents

  • George Washington (1789-1797)

  • Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809)

  • Andrew Jackson (1829-1837)
  • Abraham Lincoln (1861-1865)

  • Theodore Roosevelt (1901-1909)

  • Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945)

  • John F. Kennedy (1961-1963)

  • Bill Clinton (1993-2001)



bad presidents vvv and many more just too lazy to think



George W bush
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Personally, I seriously do not see how Bill Clinton is such an "awesome president." Yes he isn't a bad president, but he isn't outstanding or anything. Besides, dont you guys remember those times where everyone kept raving that he was such a terrible president?

And bush isn't that bad either... and i've already stated my reasons many times.

QUOTE(O)FaRTy1billion @ May 7 2005, 08:28 PM)
as some people have said (about G.W.Bush):
he was elected again, that means hes been doin sumthin right.

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I agree. Bush won, meaning that he is worthy of being president again. Otherwise Kerry woulda won.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by sckor on 2005-05-11 at 09:11:52
Kim Dae Joong!
It doesn't say US president...

But I like lincoln.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Darcan on 2005-05-12 at 06:24:22
QUOTE(O)FaRTy1billion @ May 7 2005, 05:48 PM)
Heres your list.
    Click here for more info (vice presedents, and links to info about each pres.)
  • George Washington (1789-1797)
  • John Adams (1797-1801)
  • Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809)
  • James Madison (1809-1817)
  • James Monroe (1817-1825)
  • John Quincy Adams (1825-1829)
  • Andrew Jackson (1829-1837)
  • Martin Van Buren (1837-1841)
  • William Henry Harrison (1841)
  • John Tyler (1841-1845)
  • James K. Polk (1845-1849)
  • Zachary Taylor (1849-1850)
  • Millard Fillmore (1850-1853)
  • Franklin Pierce (1853-1857)
  • James Buchanan (1857-1861)
  • Abraham Lincoln (1861-1865)
  • Andrew Johnson (1865-1869)
  • Ulysses S. Grant (1869-1877)
  • Rutherford B. Hayes (1877-1881)
  • James A. Garfield (1881)
  • Chester Arthur (1881-1885)
  • Grover Cleveland (1885-1889)
  • Benjamin Harrison (1889-1893)
  • Grover Cleveland (1893-1897)
  • William McKinley (1897-1901)
  • Theodore Roosevelt (1901-1909)
  • William Howard Taft (1909-1913)
  • Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921)
  • Warren G. Harding (1921-1923)
  • Calvin Coolidge (1923-1929)
  • Herbert Hoover (1929-1933)
  • Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945)
  • Harry S Truman (1945-1953)
  • Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953-1961)
  • John F. Kennedy (1961-1963)
  • Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-1969)
  • Richard Nixon (1969-1974)
  • Gerald Ford (1974-1977)
  • Jimmy Carter (1977-1981)
  • Ronald Reagan (1981-1989)
  • George Bush (1989-1993)
  • Bill Clinton (1993-2001)
  • George W. Bush (2001- )
Enjoy.
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Thank you for writing down all american presidents. This is really going to help me in my schoolwork. once again THANK YOU. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ May 9 2005, 11:58 PM)
Personally, I seriously do not see how Bill Clinton is such an "awesome president." Yes he isn't a bad president, but he isn't outstanding or anything. Besides, dont you guys remember those times where everyone kept raving that he was such a terrible president?

And bush isn't that bad either... and i've already stated my reasons many times.
I agree. Bush won, meaning that he is worthy of being president again. Otherwise Kerry woulda won.
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I think you probaly right about that. I agree that he must be a good president because he is the president of USA again. even if I dont think he is the best president either. cool1.gif

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QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ May 3 2005, 07:43 AM)
hey, who ever said i didn't know that? I jsut said I didn't like that his middle name was put in.  Sounds strange and people have made fun of him, ya know the show? WALKER: Texas Ranger.  sound familiar? Ya he gets crap from that. of all people YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT.
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ok! now i get it. so you mean like WALKER George Bush. if you mean it this way a know what you mean.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by KrAzY on 2005-05-13 at 00:38:08
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William Henry Harrison (1841)


A guy who got sick and died for a month or two and died in the office.


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Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809)


He may have invented stuff, yet he did slavery on black people.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by O)FaRTy1billion on 2005-05-13 at 00:47:17
QUOTE(Darcan @ May 12 2005, 03:24 AM)
Thank you for writing down all american presidents. This is really going to help me in my schoolwork. once again THANK YOU. biggrin.gif


Glad to see someone used this / "enjoy"ed the fact I put it. smile.gif (I put "Enjoy." at the bottom for a reason y'know!)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by kirby_star on 2005-05-13 at 00:47:32
didn't millenium army make a thread just like this?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-05-14 at 18:37:29
This is what i think about Bush, our president. I think that he doesn't know what he is really getting America into, because what is going on right now in Iraq is going to affect the entire world most likely. If you think about it...America is not able to leave Iraq right now, because the second all of the Americans are out of Iraq, a lot of the people of iraq are going to want revenge, which means bombs on the USA. personally...when there was no nuclear bombs of mass destruction found in iraq, all of our people should have been out of iraq then, not carry it on so that Bush can screw america over. I think that Bush got himself in over his head and that now he is going to pay the price...america. AND, He is NOT a good president, because i dont know if you realize it or not, but there have been more american people who have lost their jobs as him being president, than any other president in the history of america. he has lost more jobs than any president has in 200 years. I mean, Bush has ruined everything Clinton had done. If you weren't making money while Clinton was president, you didn't get more pathetic. But NO, Bush is the president now and he doesn't care, all he cares about himself. he cant even give a speech without having to read the entire thing from paper. Bush is just freakin weak. he is going off and banning peoples rights, like abortion for example. bush is trying to ban abortion. BUSH is NOT a women, i know for a fact that if i was a ing women, and i was pregnant and couldn't raise the child for whatever reasons, there is no way in hell i would want to expierience the most pain anyone will ever expierience, to have a child that wont be mine. i personally think bush SUCKS, and has done nothing but bad for our country since he was elected into office.



OBVIOUSLY....its definatly not bush
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-05-14 at 18:53:50
Best President : Reagan!

Worst President : Nixon ermm.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-05-15 at 18:38:57
No i dont think nixon was the worst. Just because he resigned because of the Watergate Scandal doesn't mean he is the worst. Infact, he did many great things. He ended our Vietnam war with honor.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2005-05-16 at 12:53:26
FDR was the best. He got us out of the Depression with his New Deal programs and set a standard that every president since then has stood by. We still have social security and welfare and national parks and unprivitized water and power areas. Not to mention the fact that the Public Works Administration helped construct many new schools, hospitals, and other such public places - and it got people moe interested in government work. He was also a strong leader during WWII. Its too bad he died about a month before Hitler shot himself, especially after being president during the entire duration of the war.

Oh, and he was elected 4 times - that's 2 times more than any other president.

I also think Clinton was great because he managed to get a surplus going in our economy and worked hard to keep rather good foreign policy and relations. Its too bad that his whole great presidency will always be overshadowed by the "Monica Lewinsky scandal." Hmm that still pisses me off actually. Clinton has some fun in the oval office and gets impeached whereas Reagan has his "Reaganonmics" which totally screw us up and nothing happens to him. And as far as lying to the American people goes (another thing they were adamant about when destroying Clinton's career), W Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction and nothing happened to him. Its like "Hey Clinton, you got a bj in the oval office so we're going to destroy your political future! Hey Bush, you lied about the WMDs and started a war that's killed a ton of people...but I guess that's okay. At least you didn't get a bj in the oval office from an intern." How the hell does that make sense?


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After looking at your poll selections I voted for Clinton. Kennedy was great and all, but he was president for 2 years and people only liked him because they felt he had potential. In fact he made a lot of dumb decisions during his presidency like the "Bay of Pigs" issue and the"Cuban Missile Crisis" didn't help either.

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A guy who got sick and died for a month or two and died in the office.

31 days actually. Then James Garfield comes in second place with 100 days in office.

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Glad to see someone used this / "enjoy"ed the fact I put it.  (I put "Enjoy." at the bottom for a reason y'know!)

I had to memorize that damn list for AP U.S. History and got tested on it weekly for a month. I gotta say it helped a lot when AP exams came around, but other that that it was a pain in the ass to memorize.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2005-05-18 at 20:28:59
QUOTE(O)FaRTy1billion @ May 7 2005, 10:28 PM)
as some people have said (about G.W.Bush):
he was elected again, that means hes been doin sumthin right.

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hitler had a lot of followers but does that mean what he did was right??


QUOTE(Liwi @ May 14 2005, 06:53 PM)
Best President : Reagan!


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Really because he stands out to me as near the worst presidents part of the list


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QUOTE(wesmic da pimp @ May 7 2005, 10:25 PM)
Wow... I must say i do not like you... first of all, a celtics fan (they got gg'ed btw), and now your talking smack about George W....
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you will be happy to know i am a red sox fan and a patriots fan as well bleh.gif Ok ok

who has more champinship teams curently ?? huh?? lol sorry for the off topic !! and even though you hate me i just want u to know i dont hate you even though your sports team taste is bad tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-05-19 at 01:00:44
bill clinton should not be up there as one of the bests. The only reason why the economy had some growth was from Bill Gates.

And some people call Bush a lair and a bad president? Bill lied about his little scandal BJ and more in the oval office. Bill also orderd an offensive in somalia.

Bill, not the best but average
Bush, not the best but average.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-05-19 at 08:47:43
I chose none of them, because I like Ronald Wilson Reagan the best... wink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2005-05-19 at 11:39:10
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ May 18 2005, 10:00 PM)
bill clinton should not be up there as one of the bests.  The only reason why the economy had some growth was from Bill Gates.
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That would be true if everyone owned a computer, much less a PC with Windows as their OS. But then again I also know that the economy has nothing to do with one business' success, and more of a collection of factors like taxes, unemployment, and the nation's debt. In that, Microsoft pretty much only contributes to the taxes - and only with sales tax - so I doubt Gates had anything to do with it.

QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ May 18 2005, 10:00 PM)
And some people call Bush a lair and a bad president? Bill lied about his little scandal BJ and more in the oval office.  Bill also orderd an offensive in somalia.
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Which is worse, a BJ in the oval office or wrongfully starting a war thats costing American lives and Iraqi lives? I'd say the latter. And every president has ordered an offensive strike on someone, except that is usually with air raids and diplomaticaly its just to warn people that America can and will declare war. Bush on the other hand bombed Iraq and Afghanistan, and then just sent in troops. I'd say that, too, is pretty different.

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I chose none of them, because I like Ronald Wilson Regan the best...  wink.gif
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And I'm glad you like him enough to know how to spell his name.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-05-19 at 23:30:34
I geuss all those marines, rangers, and pilots sent in by Bill to Somalia don't exist.

wrongful invasion of Afphganistan? Iraq?

Iraq can be debated

Afphganistan was rightous, ok war

And the world had (under Bill and past presidents) gotton to the point where many countries laughed when America made threats. Bush finally stays in places we invade and doesn't retreat from anything. No terrorist attacks on US soil yet since 9/11, but there has been other terrorist attacks in European countries, haha what a surprise...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-05-20 at 00:19:43
I voted Bush for kicks and giggles and because I think he is a living scumbag.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2005-05-20 at 02:40:58
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I geuss all those marines, rangers, and pilots sent in by Bill to Somalia don't exist.

Ugh I never said that. Oh and in advance, thank you for proving the difference between Clinton's tactics and Bush's tactics for me. Here we go... Clinton sent in troops to Somalia in order to protect American lives in Somalia and made it his promise to bring out troops in 6 months. Somailia was already in chaos with anarchy and military factions leading it. So Clinton figured we should get our people out soon and maybe try to restore some form of lawfulness. Also, he had the U.N. and NATO with him (something Bush just couldn't get), and at that point U.N. positions were being bombed to hell. Bush on the other hand led a preemptive strike against Afghanistan and Iraq under the assumption that Afghanistan was at fault for 9/11 and Iraq would attack us in the future.

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Iraq can be debated

Afphganistan was rightous, ok war

Look, its simple. Iraq has no weapons of mass destruction. And Afghanistan had the Taliban, sure, but it were Saudis who actually took place in the 9/11 attack.

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No terrorist attacks on US soil yet since 9/11, but there has been other terrorist attacks in European countries, haha what a surprise...

You also have to keep in mind that we haven't had a terrorist attack from a foreign source in our nation ever before 9/11. So saying that he is the one keeping us safe is a joke. In fact you could argue that since his presidency happens to be the only one with a significant terrorist attack (from a foreign source), then that would mean he is the most unsafe president yet. Oh and if you know your European history, there have always been terrorist attacks in Europe. There are bombings all the time in Ireland over religion. There are bombings in Turkey based on politics and eography. Israel and Palestine have still not stopped fighting. Jesus, its not like America is so superfluous that we don't get attacked, we just happen to be isolated very well. It takes a large effort to attack us since we're so far away from anything hostile.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-05-20 at 20:28:29
you speak as though we are invisible, hardly the truth.

And its no surprise that the terrorists hate us for supporting israel, they call America Big satan and Israel little satan.

And there has been attacks on Americans for the past 25 years, no one did anything about it.

We went in to help the Somalie people and protect Americans, but mostly somalies becuase they were the ones who were starving.

Afphganistan was the country allowing the Al Quada to stay and funding them. It is Afphganistan ruling party and al quada who caused 9/11. thus we beat the shit out of them.

Iraq, we went in to free the Iraqis, who were not free, saddam killed many, many, many civilians. Far more then the war on terror has caused. mass grave sites, whole villages wiped out. And we went in to promote democracy in Iraq. We did not go in for oil, if we had, why aren't the gas prices decreasing? We have been in Iraq for years and no gas prices have decreased. Oil? Ha no proof and no standing.

U.N. ? U.N. barely gets anything done, oil for food scandal, plus France and many other countries were profiting off of Iraq, of course they wouldn't want to invade.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Hofodomo on 2005-05-20 at 21:37:07
Hey, might as well not forget about Slick Willy. He helped get the internet business going...and now we have forums! biggrin.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-05-20 at 22:39:24
Perhaps the Saudis placed al-Qaeda command, if you will, in Afghanistan to draw attention from Saudi Arabia itself. Of course that's just a theory, and not necessarily one I believe in at that. I mean, who cares about Afghanistan? It is a land-locked piss poor country without anything of value to us. That goes for the Middle Easterners as well. Afghanistan was of relatively no importance, and thus the ideal place to hide a large terrorist organization. It also provided the ideal place to recruit soldiers. Is it that hard to relate to even American culture? Think of the blatant racism in the southern half of America. Where do you think most KKK members were recruited?

It's much the same way for Afghanistan.

Poverty breeds ignorance. Ignorance can be twisted easily into hate. Hate is one Hell of a great motivator for just about anything. I think it is far easier to comprehend that terrorist organizations do not exist (in such large quantities) in more educated and rich countries, such as Pakistan and Kazakhastan, simply due to the fact that the people are more educated. I'm sure that I had a point somewhere in here.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-05-21 at 00:34:41
Afphganistan does have huge amounts of opium farms. Largest supplyer I think. Damnit we should napalm those fields and stop the drug trade, its only helping terrorists.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-05-21 at 18:27:46
I am appalled at how many people voted Clinton, of those three, as the best president.

ANYone could be the "best president" at that time period. Our economy was booming, not because of Bill Clinton's actions, but because of our economy. Bill Clinton just quacked in office and made sure our country didn't fall apart (anyone could do that). But after that blowjob scandal with Monica Lowinsky, everyone started pointing fingers at him saying "OMFG YOU SUCK!" But he doesn't really, same goes with Nixon. Infact, nixon was a better president than CLinton. He actually handled many foreign affairs so well, (such as ending vietnam war with honor, negotiating with china and russia, etc). It was only that watergate scandal in which people then saw him as a bad boy.

And people, stop saying bush is some retarded person. His action with Iraq HAD it's logical and likeable/unlikeable reasonings. There's a difference between valid reasonings and no reasonings. One is much better than the other.
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