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I don't want to get my personal beliefs into this, but the 4th demention, is not time, nore anything to do with space. It is the paranormal (I believe) because if you think about it logically, we can see the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd dimensions, correct? Those people who can "See" ghosts. What if they can? I believe the people who can see the supernatural, have tapped into the next dimension, which would be the 4th dimension, correct? Or, maybe it is just their ESP (Extra-Sensory-Perception for those who don't nkow) being really in tune? I doubt that. ESP deals with stuff like, "Telekinesis" (Psychokinesis for the scientific people) "Pyrokinesis" (Ability to create and handle fire) "Telepathy" (which does exist) "Energy" (which also exists) "Pre-Cognition" (Ability to see things before they happen) ect... ESP does not deal, with the paranormal.



Do any of you believe in Parallel Universes? I do. The Parallel Universes (Yes, I am talking about Sliders, LOL) are all the same. Everything is the same in Parallel Universes, except ourselves. I would be Kellimus in a parallel universe, but with a different personality Anyways. Is it not possible that a black hole is just a "Wormhole" to the Parallel Universes? I saw a reply about "White holes" If you believe that the Black Holes are "Wormholes" then yeah, "White Holes" exist because the Black hole would be in the exact same spot in the parellel universe, but it would voilently be "Spitting" out the matter into the same spot, instead of "Sucking" it in.

Ex: Here I have my ship: -->

My ship, hits he black hole -->|

And it would just go right through, into the "White Hole" |-->

So like this: ------>| |<-------- (This is being "Thrown" out the exact way it came in")

Do you get my concept?



There are more than the "4" dimesions that man has came up with. Hell, there could be BILLIONS of dimensions, but we just cannot comprehend them. Like how we cannot comprehend the 4th dimension (Paranormal) and how only a few select people can (The ones that see ghosts) I believe that there are billions and billions of dimensions, and when we die, we go onto the "4th" Dimension. Who knows, maybe we can even transgress into the "5th" and so on and so forth.



A black hole, is created by a supernova that explodes, and collapses on itself to create a Neutron Star. Then the Neutron Star has so much pressure and force, it collapses on itself to create a Black Hole.

[untintentional rant] You are doing exactly that- getting your personal belief into it.
You don't know what the fourth dimension is.
My belief agrees, atleast partially, with yours; the 4th is not time.
Two things to think about:
If someone says that Object A is Object B with its dimensions multiplied by ten, they mean, basicaly, its sides. So what would its "size" in the paranormal "dimension" be, in this case? A dimension is just a side, and angle, an axis.
0th dimension; an infinitely small point, which has, no pun intended, 0 dimensions
1st; An infinitely small line which has one dimension- length
2nd; An infinitely small plane which has two dimensions- length and height
3rd; An indeterminitely-sized space which has three dimensions- length, height, and width.
Now, to change from the 0th to the 1st, just line-up infinitely many 0-dimension universes in a line.
1st to 2nd, line-up infinitely many 1-dimension universes in a line.
2nd to 3rd, line-up infinitely many 2-dimension universes in a box.
Why does this work? Because of what a dimension is.
So what happens if you take the 3rd dimension, find a direction which we cannot comprehend because, well, it would be like a 2dimensional entity looking sideways; it simply can't because, in its universe, there is no sideways, and line up infinitely many 3rd dimensions?
You'll get the 4th dimension, because that is how dimensions are.
My personal belief is that labeling time, paranormal, unreality, imagination, or anything other than infinite of the 0th dimension, with a power equal to the current dimension in mind.
^2 is referred to as "squared" because it forms a square.
^3 is referred to as "cubed" because it forms a cube.[/unintentional rant]

Well I'm not sure why everyone hates the idea of time as a dimention.
If you tell someone to meet you, you give them a location, say the motel at the corner of 4th and J street. (Giving you x and z's coordinates) Then you tell them to meet in room 403, which is on the third floor. (y's coordinates) Then you would tell them to meet you at 6:00. (Giving them time's coordinates) Just because it isn't measured the same way as the first three doesn't make it invalid as a dimention. How would you go about measuring the fourth dimention, if it isn't time? You can't measure in any physical direction, because those are already figured out by height, width and length.

Time is controversial. (obviously...) The thing is, nobody knows. Nobody knows anything. The only standard truth is that we don't know anything. The basis of all of our beliefs are based on observations. Yes, cause and effect can be done, shown, and repeated. But... you NEVER know if it really is exactly what you think. Variables that you don't know about and don't even think of could have an effect. You never know. The best thing to really do is just forget about it, you're just gonna stress yourself. Therefore, we really can't say what time is. Time is a measurement, blah blah blah. Of course it is, you can plainly see that on any watch. Time goes by, so your clock shows that. Yeah yeah yeah, we all know seconds go by. But jeez tim, ever think that maybe we can manipulate it? yes and no. we very well could. but you never know. there really is no real support for changing time with your mind as it can be disproven. What seems like 1 minute for some could seem like 8 for another, it's all how you interpret it.

I don't hate it myself, though I do disagree with it.


So said Mario*, minus the "width". Of course, we proved him wrong there, didn't we?

* Of Super Mario Bros.

it all falls upon the string theory. kinda. if black holes are a real thing, then light must have weigh, so it can be " sucked" into the black hole, whitch we all know was made by a colapsing star. if the lght is sucked into a black hole.....where dose it go? if matter cannot be created or destoyed....then it must sit in the center of the said anomolie forever. how can that be? also, if it(black hole) has so much gravitational pull. why are there no planets orbeting it?

i have another question for you wise guys.

the moon orbets the earth, the earth orbets the sun, the sun orbets and bigger system and so on.....

so what the hell is the hole shebang orbeting around? if there is so much movment in the galixy, then what is it moving around? there cant be some ramdom anomaly that is just out there not moving........can it?

Light has a mass. Technically it does have a weight but you can't really say that. Light is energy, energy is converted from an electron.. blah blah blah, even though it's incredibly small there is a mass, as mass cannot be created or destroyed. The light sits as energy inside the black hole. Sort of like the core of the Earth, the pressure is so intense even though the metals should be liquid they remain solid. Black holes DO affect the orbits of a planet, but only so much. Eventually a planet may get sucked in as it gets continually pulled closer. Any planet which got close enough to orbit it would immediately get pulled in. Besides, even if it had a massive orbit (on a planetary scale) the gravity of the other galaxies would surely throw it way off course. My theory is that eventually everything will be sucked into one massive black hole until it bursts - causing a big bang. The matter and energy spread throughout the cosmos. Everything begins again.

If you do physics for a living, raise your hand.

Those of you without you hand raised, quit acting like your hand should be up.

That'd be all of... probably 2-3 people registered on this board. Wouldn't be too lively of a topic, now would it?
It's just irritating if people take random stabs at it with things they hear on TV, games, and the like.

In a Science Week magazine a while ago I remember reading about how some people think things sucked into a black hole leak out very slowly.

I think it was hawkins that created that theory. Not 100% sure.

hey pcfredz, how is that relevant to the current topic? all you acomplished there was wasting my time reading that useless peace of shit. i have heard more intelligent things come out of my 9 year old sister. so, in the future, if you get the wild hair up your ass to post something like that, do us all a favor and keep it to your self.



ANYWAY.............the string theory.......
no, lets not go into the string theory, i'm not as fluent in it as i thought i was. but think of this. star goes nova, supernova, or whatever. the star expands then rapidly contracts to something smaller. what if the "void" left by the contracting star is the black hole. lets put into a grid for some visualization.lets say the grid it 4 coulombs high and 6 long. if the star starts out at box 4-3(go right 4 then up 3)and it fills the box, then it expands in all directions to the edges of the grid. then, when it contracts, it ends up it in box 5-2. why cant that be phesable? a black hole is where a star WAS before the nova, supernova....or whatever. who ever said that a black hole HAS to be extreme gravity on this one point in space.....why cant a black hole be a void that the universe is trying to fill in again?


before you awnser this i want you all to go out, drink a beer, take a hit of something, then comeback and awnser....or you could just awnser....

I could drink a beer! But unfortunatly, I cannot take a hit of something...

That does sound plausible. But I still don't understand fully what you are trying to say? Would you please explain a bit more?

i'm going to use little words so your week mind can comprehend alright numb nuts?


ok.....lets say you have a bathtub. a HUGE bathtub. and in this thriotical bathtub you have the hole galaxy.......(if ANYONE says that is impossible to put the hole of the universe in a bath tube, you will get virtually bitch slapped) anyway, lets say that one of the stars that is going supernova or whatever is in the "plug". its filling the hole right? well what happens when it throws off all is energy and becomes a "black hole"? it shrinks dose it not? well......there is no "plug" in the "bathtub" and now everything is running out. slowly....ever so slowly....well. all i'm saying is, what if the star that goes supernova and forms a "black hole" actually MAKES a hole. and the star or whatever gets sucked into it to. think about it....

That's what I figured. You'd better watch yourself Gorotsuki, cause all I have to do is turn around and he-man bitch slap you! heh

So are you saying that a supernova was filling up a black hole, and then got sucked in itself?

But don't stars become black holes? As in they like collapse in on themselves and get extremely dense turning into a black hole, so that it is no longer a star at all, yet now a black hole.

wow.....just when i thought you could get no dumber( yes i said dumber)you go and pull that shit..... no it was not covering a black hole, and i have never heard of a planet going super nova. the star was in one place for a long ass time, then i starts to get bigger. like blowing up a ballon, everything around it is moving to make room for it. well......a star is a hole hell of a lot bigger than a ballon. and what if ,in the massive explosion, it moves over somewhere. there is nothing left but a.........lets see now, how can i put this so you will understand it......is it a........HOLE! there is nothing where there was something and it has made a vacuum in space that is trying to be filled.


its not that i'm right, its just that your dumb

What I'm wondering is why exploding would increase gravity per area so that it implodes...

It implodes because it runs out of fuel and the inside isn't dense enough so the walls cave in. (sorta, I had to re-word it so it was easy to understand) The power of it since it was a very large star (only the largest can go supernova) will create the black hole. I tried to put it as simply as I could.

Your an idiot, I was trying to understand what you were talking about, and where did I say the word planet? From what your example you made it sound like a supernova was covering a blackhole.



No, its more like you can't explain shit, that crap right there made no sense.

Trying for another closed topic?

No, but if both of you keep being idiots, then it might happen.

yes, I demand this topic closed for you ppl are being violent.
there is no right answer or wrong answer in this. ( actually there is )
CHECK THE ING NASA SITE YOU IDIOT

now, are you saying that were being idiots cus we proved your ass wrong on many occasions, or cus you know that your a dumb ass who can't understand anything. your the only one who didn't understand what i said. i even explained it so EVERYONE could get it....... MY 9 YEAR OLD SISTER understood it. and the jew-tard who is yelling about checking the nasa site....if we wanted to check the nasa site, we would have. but this being based on peoples opinion, why would we go to a fact page......dose it make since....no. if you close this topic devilesk, that just shows that you aren't mature enough to take a little criticism and explain our point of view at all.

That is exactly how a black hole is created. Nice job Timmy



Excuss me. How in the hell is Timmy being an idiot? Because he actually knows what he is talking about? I never saw a post of him being an idiot.

Oh, maybe you mean this quote of his:


He is just stating the obvious fact. Cause whenever you start to flame and spam people, the topic always get's closed..



If you would actually think deeper, you would realise that what he was trying to say it that maybe the supernova collapses into a nuetron star, but since all the pressure and gravity made the supernova collapse, that it is a possibility that the neutron star is not the black hole, and a black hole is formed from the collapsing of the star. A simple theory created by him, and dogged on by you because you have a different oppinion.

You need to learn to quit being so ignorant, and actually have an open-mind on some stuff.