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The constitution does not give rights, it limits them.

Let's ignore that, though, and tell me where government derives its right to steal people's money. How is it fair to seize someone's money and spend it on something they don't want to spend it on? Why not give him a choice whether he wants to pay? For example, what if I don't want to give money to Africa. Are you not going to give me a choice in the matter?

Tell that to LIVE8, isn't that what this topic is about? I know nothing of LIVE8 and I've never even heard of it, but see, lots of people will care about someone in their country but then not care of others, and they they start speaking of 'equality' which is total bs

I'm not sure about this, what are the limitations the government can use tax money on? Are they allowed to give tax money to organizations such as this?

Tell that to Live 8? We are talking about whether it's fair or not, do we have to call up the directors of it before hand?

Live 8, instead of taking money from admissions, decides it's best to try and force everyone else to pay instead. That sucks, which is why I made the topic.

I don't think so, but the government will never help them, the government has better things to do, fix physical attributes of the state, help pay for the schools....hmm what else do taxes do?

The government already gives an obscene amount of other people's money in foreign aid.

Correct me if I'm wrong, then isn't LIVE8 just directing that money to a better cause (in their minds). If they want more money from the gov. then I'm with you, but evil wasn't the right word to use, especially since they're helping others, but I guess you can call them evil for taking others'.

i think ur being very harsh. but yeah, using force is nt right. yeah, it gets u known, but it gets u kknown as an evil group.

I haven't been following this thread much, but I want to put my two cents in.

First, I don't think it's bad to "steal" your money in support for people who need it.

And second, If The Floyd (Pink Floyd) are willing to get together after being broken up to perform, then fuck, i'll put in my money for it!

I think ihatett is evil. He doesn't seem to like people helping other people in need.

I agree. He is just a Republican money-grubbing nerf hurder! (Star Wars is awesome!)

Seriously. If this is the only way to help the 3rd world countries, why not do it?

No... I just wanted to know if the government is allowed to use people's money like that, if not then they are doing something wrong and you have a right to be angry, if they do have the right to do that then you have to do something other than whine about it.

Nothing is wrong with seizing a man's money because you feel like spending his money differently than he does? That's disgusting. Think about that. If you were walking down the street, and someone grabs your wallet and says, "I can spend your money better than you!", would you have no problem with it?

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What makes you think that?

I do have something against using someone else's money to help people.

Yes, the government has little to no money to calls its own. Unless you want to have everything (except perhaps people themself) owned by the government, they need our money to spend. Hell, if someone wants to move someplace where they don't help foreign nations, move to a third world country. You'll be getting other people's money then! Your government (if your nation even has one) won't be taxing you, because it won't expect the people to have any money. How many novelties and pleasures does one need before someone else gets the necessities of life?

Live 8 is for a good cause, and people do it out of their good will. You don't like it? Heck, just don't go to it.

Government doesn't need our money to spend if it wasn't so goddamn big.

Also, this isn't volluntary, because the government doesn't let you choose whether you pay taxes.

Hey, if you're going to quote me you need quotation marks. Pffft noob.

And yes, it does need our money. Where do you think the money for roads, schooling, heck just about everything come from? They shouldn't have to let you choose to pay taxes. Living in America (and other developed nations) is a privilege, and it should come at a certain cost (though it isn't too unbearable).

Do you not know where most of our tax money goes? I can tell you that it isn't foreign aid.

*Edit* When you quote me, can you make my name a light blue color? Perhaps even italicize it? I think that would look cool.

If governemnt functions were moved to the private sector then they wouldn't need to steal.

Yes, and democracy would be much less than it is right now, because we wouldn't have much power at all over the private sector. Not only that, but there'd be corruption galore. I mean, there's so much corruption with only a few million dollars. Think of the defense budget. At least this way we get to vote who we want to rule this country.

No, the way it is right now we get to vote on how to spend other people's money.

Also, people will vote for whoever will seize more money and give it to them, which further corrupts democracy. Democracy sucks.

Ah, but you were whining about how much we give towards foreign aid.



Lol. You called me a melee noob. I call you a political noob. People vote for tax breaks, aka GWB, even though we should be voting for someone that will get rid of this damn debt. When the government "seizes" money (which is a rather barbaric term, so I'll use the proper term of "taxing"), it gives it back to the public through bettering parts of society, be it constructing a park, improving a certain road, or increasing education spending. When your money is taxed from you, you more likely than not will not get it back (at most a small part will be refunded to you).

You also fail to realize that we don't have a direct say in any decision except on a few things, all concerning leadership positions. You vote for the person that you think would make decisions that you would make.

Also, I wouldn't flame our government because as of late they're trying to cut down on the size of things to cut spending by several hundred million dollars, which really is a drop in the bucket compared to America's total "income." Still, it's an attempt to save money.

Huh? We shouldn't spend any at all, and nothing I said contradicts that.



That isn't why he won. He won because of the fear of terrorism. I am talking more about senators and congressmen, anyways.



Why use euphemisms? "Seizing" has the perfect definition: "To take quick and forcible possession of; confiscate"


Why not let the individuals that make up the country keep that money and better themselves? Why do you feel like you need to have control over them?



If people want these things, let them voluntarily pay for them, instead of holding a gun to their head and forcing them to pay.



And this helps your cause how...?



Yes, that doesn't contradict what I said at all. I said people will vote for whomever will steal the most money from high income-earners and give it to them.



Federal spending has increased in every one of Bush's years. The budget is giant, and I have every right to complain.

You can read. A government helps society organize all the maintenance that goes into keeping a country fit. All that work would be much too tedious for everyone to always plan.

Did you accidentally hit post? Because what you just posted makes no sense.

To respond to your single sentence:

No, you don't need to plan out everything; things just happen. A commonly used analogy is the "invisible hand" that guides markets. People want something, so businesses scramble to offer it.

Yeah but it's a safer way to Manage your money.
Look like at Quebec, we recently discovred that our gouvernement was doing Bad things with our money. Like Millions of dollars have disapeared.

Okay, are you just refusing to read what I write?



That is a whole different market pal, and something I can pretty much guarantee we'd have to buy on our own in the first place.

Besides, people would just be greedy under your method and keep all their own money, expecting the "good" people to pay for stuff. The Private Sector would have no jurisdiction whatsoever to get the money they'd need for anything, which would be taxing anyway. Yeah, you've proven to me that taxation is a requirement of a functioning society, because people by themselves can't be trusted to do what is needed.