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Report, edit, etc...Posted by D)s-202 on 2005-07-06 at 09:54:20
QUOTE(Theoretical_Human @ Jul 6 2005, 04:17 AM)
After he died his body started getting lighter and lighter? Because his bodily fluids were evaporating, and his body was decomposing.
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i kind of believe in ghosts i DONT believe they can haunt u and stuff. bujt.....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2005-07-06 at 10:14:08
What is up with ure spelling 202... anyway i dont know why ghosts can't be real, but i dont believe in the 'living without a heart, pulse, empty veins, etc' zombie story. Ghosts may be just fiction, or they may be real. Modern science isnt perfect. It has its flaws.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Parthx86 on 2005-07-06 at 10:41:17
Err, in your insulting of 202, you spelled "you're" wrong yourself. Congrats.

Anyways, I'm glad someone said

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Modern science isnt perfect. It has its flaws.


You can't want to base everything on science, because with science, you go against every single religon out there. Now come on, at least one of those hundreds of religons HAS to be right in SOME way.... A big BANG couldn't make such complex humans as ourselves. Give me proof, show me skeletons of an evolving race of fish turning into gorillas. And whats with the ape evolution thing? If we really evolved from monkeys, wouldn't monkeys still be evolving? Wouldn't there still be half-evolved races?

EDIT: Sorry to take it off topic a bit
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2005-07-06 at 17:56:02
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Err, in your insulting of 202, you spelled "you're" wrong yourself. Congrats.

Actually thats called internet slang. Would u care to check 202's former posts? im sure they would prove most revealing to his spelling skills.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by warhammer40000 on 2005-07-06 at 17:58:00
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So if i see a ghost standing in front of me its someone using trickery?
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"Ghosts" can only be seen through camera. I thought everyone knew that.

Funny coincidence. wink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Shattered_moose on 2005-07-06 at 20:21:43
I seriously doubt zombies, ghouls, skeletons ect... exist, I'm willing to be a bit more open minded about ghosts, just because we really don't know much about incorpoerality, and if intelligence can exist in an incorporeal state. Parthax, about the "why arn't there skeletons of fish turning into apes thing, you need to take a course in evolution, fishes turned into AMPHIBIANS, which then slowly evolved to escape competition in the water altogether. At that point, we had primitive reptiles, which evolved into mammels over long periods of time as to be able to better survive cold winters, from there, small rodents slowly grew and took to the trees, eventually becoming apes, a fraction of which then returned to the ground, and evolved intelligence, about then is when the first "humans" came into existance, although they were still far from modern mankind. As for why we don't have half evolved apes running around, such an evolution would take extremly long to reoccur, as it depends upon the combonation of features better suited to land and increased intelligence to occur. Also, if you don't believe that humans came from apes, why do we share 99% of their DNA, why do we share the same humaniod frames, is that just a coincidence? Pay some attention in science next time, learn a bit of taxonomy, that might make you realize that evolution is really the only viable explanation for all of these species.
Addition: We always see ghosts on camera because idiots double expose the film and claim supernatural forces are at work tongue.gif I could show you a "very scary" bit of "ghost footage" thats really the result of a simple double exposure, but what could explain that transparent ghostly child other than supernatural forces tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-07-06 at 21:02:15
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i have proof sc2 is coming out same with ds

No you don't. And the site that hosted "SC:DS" was a competition for "who could make the best spoof for the DS". It says right in the URL.

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yes the body IS lifeless but the soul is alive. in russia a experiment was made as a man died he stared weighing less and less. the soul was leaving his body! (or something like that)

A soul is a description for chemical reactions. And most importantly, souls can not be "weighed". His body was decomposing and becoming food for colonies of bacteria.

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I think you're crazy.

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Hasn't there been cases where doctors have classified people as cliniclly dead, but shocking them or CPR or what ever brought the dead person back to life. I hear stories all the time of clinicly dead people coming back to life on the operating table.

In certain cases, yes that would work. If a required part becomes functional again before a certain period of time, the person may be brought back to life.

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plants are not humans (suprise of the century)

So humans are the only mammals that "go to heaven, become spirite," etc.? Explain how this is possible? Other animals can think, remember things, and have their own communication...

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Yes, in fact, zombies do exist. Has anyone heard of that new science project that occurred? Doctors got 3 dogs that had naturally died, sucked out the blood from their hearts and veins and replaced it with something (I don't remember) and jumpstarted the heart. Ta-Da, the dogs were alive, with no brain defects.

I doubt this. Sucking their blood out(starving the brain of oxygen) and injecting something that is NOT blood, will not transfer oxygen to their brains, which are needed to control the body. Their brains would be "dead" anyway because of the lack of oxygen in the first place, and there would be no way for the dogs to move or "be alive" again.

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at least one of those hundreds of religons HAS to be right in SOME way....

No. They are beliefs. Religions are created or turned to for
A) Fear of death,
B) Asking a dumb question like "How did we get here?", or
C) Having it shoved up your ass every day since you were born.

We're here. There's no need to look for an explanation for "how did we exist", it's a dumb question. What if nothing created us and we were always here? This is our reality, I don't think there's anything that created it... "some non-physical being created us" is a really annoying explanation. Well, "who created this non-physical being?". The "Big Bang" is a stupid theory too, because if you're questioning "how we were created", then you must also question "Who created this big bang/invisable entity?" or "Who created matter?". I'm sure I could pull an explanation out of my ass right now for us existing. Asking how we came into existance is like asking how the smallest kind of physical matter that makes up molecules was created.

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Actually thats called internet slang.

This is a forum. "Internet slang" is not acceptable. But since nobody can "stop it", I'll just look at everyone who uses "u" instead of "you" on a forum to be a newbie.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-06 at 21:05:31
If you seriously need us to explain to you why the zombies, and ghosts, and stuff like that don't exist, I just don't know. I really just don't know. disgust.gif

EDIT - DeathKnight, don't act like a snobby asshole. Let people type however they want.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-07-06 at 21:13:38
They can, I'm just telling them how I will refer to them.

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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-06 at 21:28:34
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They can, I'm just telling them how I will refer to them.

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With a sarcastic tone like that, no.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-07-06 at 21:33:53
Forums do not contain tones. Messages are text-only based.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Parthx86 on 2005-07-06 at 21:39:54
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I doubt this. Sucking their blood out(starving the brain of oxygen) and injecting something that is NOT blood, will not transfer oxygen to their brains, which are needed to control the body. Their brains would be "dead" anyway because of the lack of oxygen in the first place, and there would be no way for the dogs to move or "be alive" again.


Its been done. Its been proven. Theres another thread about these dogs Its called "Walking Dead"

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seriously doubt zombies, ghouls, skeletons ect... exist, I'm willing to be a bit more open minded about ghosts, just because we really don't know much about incorpoerality, and if intelligence can exist in an incorporeal state. Parthax, about the "why arn't there skeletons of fish turning into apes thing, you need to take a course in evolution, fishes turned into AMPHIBIANS, which then slowly evolved to escape competition in the water altogether. At that point, we had primitive reptiles, which evolved into mammels over long periods of time as to be able to better survive cold winters, from there, small rodents slowly grew and took to the trees, eventually becoming apes, a fraction of which then returned to the ground, and evolved intelligence, about then is when the first "humans" came into existance, although they were still far from modern mankind. As for why we don't have half evolved apes running around, such an evolution would take extremly long to reoccur, as it depends upon the combonation of features better suited to land and increased intelligence to occur. Also, if you don't believe that humans came from apes, why do we share 99% of their DNA, why do we share the same humaniod frames, is that just a coincidence? Pay some attention in science next time, learn a bit of taxonomy, that might make you realize that evolution is really the only viable explanation for all of these species.


Well, I'm asking you to zoom out on all of this, so in some matter, a fish did take over 5000 years to evolve into some form of human right? Did it not go through all of the phases and end up as mankind either way? Why isn't their skeletons of creatures that are still going through evolution and don't give me your "it takes a long time" crap, Of course it took a long time, but imagine the evolution of ape in in super fast forward. Now pause in the middle, why is there no skeletons that look like THAT creature, and why didn't ALL the apes evolve, and if they're still evolving, then why are they all still the same at adult age? Shouldn't some have evolved quicker?!

Whats wrong with coincidence? There are only a few things different between us and monkeys right? So lets put it like this: Earth and mars are both planets. They both started from dust and gas. They are round. They both have at least one moon. They both have volcanoes. They both have some form of a crater. They both have canyons. Wow they're pretty much the same, must mean that earth will turn into mars, or vice versa

ADDITION (Off topic): Okay, I'm no rocket surgeon or a brain scientist [/sarcasm] so correct me because I know I have SOMETHING wrong: Well, this got me thinking, I recently learned that mars USED to have water on its surface. Mars also does not seem to have a form of Ozone Layer either. Imagine our ozone layer being destroyed by these so called green house gases. Wouldn't that just engulf us into space and lead us to our death? (Or would that just make the polar ice caps melt?) Anyway, In sometime, all of that water will evaporate into space because there's nothing stopping it from escaping, so there would be no rainfall. Now I heard that there was ONE fossil of a living life form discovered on Mars. Imagine one of our lifeforms of bacteria being found by another species or race on OUR planet. Aren't we actually gonna turn into Mars? (I know there must be something wrong with the theory for no one else to have discovered it yet)

Bleh, too much thinking! blink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by glytchur on 2005-07-06 at 21:42:25
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Forums do not contain tones. Messages are text-only based.


i heard a tone...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-06 at 21:44:11
QUOTE(Deathknight @ Jul 6 2005, 08:33 PM)
Forums do not contain tones. Messages are text-only based.
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Text can contain tones, have you been skipping english class lately?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-07-06 at 21:46:15
Actually, text cannot contain tones because the definition of tones has to do with sound, which obviously, text cannot give off!

Sorry, that was off topic. So here's my "two cents":

Undeads are real. The prefix "Un-" means not and "dead" means not alive. So if we put Not not alive, we have alive; thus we are "undead". happy.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Merrell on 2005-07-06 at 21:50:25
Yes, no zombies, undead, or wtfomg crap. Once you reach an old enough age, you will finally realize it, that:

NO!
its impossible kiddies, sorry
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-06 at 21:52:35
1. Music.
A sound of distinct pitch, quality, and duration; a note.
2. The interval of a major second in the diatonic scale; a whole step.
3. A recitational melody in a Gregorian chant.

2.
1. The quality or character of sound.
2. The characteristic quality or timbre of a particular instrument or voice.

3.
1. The pitch of a word used to determine its meaning or to distinguish differences in meaning.
2. The particular or relative pitch of a word, phrase, or sentence.

4. Manner of expression in speech or writing: took an angry tone with the reporters.

5. A general quality, effect, or atmosphere: a room with an elegant tone.

6.
1. A color or shade of color: light tones of blue.
2. Quality of color: The green wallpaper had a particularly somber tone.

7. The general effect in painting of light, color, and shade.

8. Physiology.
1. The normal state of elastic tension or partial contraction in resting muscles.
2. Normal firmness of a tissue or an organ.

Look at the 4th one.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-07-06 at 21:54:22
Yeah, let's look at the examples:

took an angry tone with the reporters.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-06 at 21:56:52
Are you seriously disagreeing? Cause you got no room to speak right now on your side. You have no side. Only defence you have right now, is to question the dictionary. That's about it.

Man, I hate when stupid arguements get ugly. I just don't like to admit I'm wrong when I know I'm not wrong. It's a personal moral thing of mine.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Parthx86 on 2005-07-06 at 22:00:16
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Undeads are real. The prefix "Un-" means not and "dead" means not alive. So if we put Not not alive, we have alive; thus we are "undead".


Yeah, this is a small reason for my quitting wc3, the "not-dead" were all skeletons.
Even in zombie movies they call em undead
I'm guessing its just supposed to mean "not-dead" after death.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-07-06 at 22:14:20
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Man, I hate when stupid arguements get ugly.

Especially when YOU started it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-06 at 22:40:00
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Especially when YOU started it.
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Give me the quote that started it.

You see? It happened again. Here we go ALL over again. Let's just drop it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Shattered_moose on 2005-07-07 at 02:04:36
Parthx, this is a bit late of a reply (to your questions about evolution) but I think you need to learn some science before we can intelligently debate. First thing, there ARE fossils of half evolved humans, ever hear of a species called homo erectus? And where on earth did you get the impression that all adult apes are the same, they arn't, but most of the mutations are insignificant, like toes that curl the wrong way, or a slightly enlarged brain. These arn't enough to lead to a new species, but they are still differences. Another reason why the adults of the same species arn't different is that if an animal is significantly different, then its classified as a new species. You should do your homework on this, as you are making consistantly incorrect assumptions about the fossil record, we DO have fossils of various half evolved organisms, as for why all of the apes didn't evolve, if only a certain number of apes have the beneficial mutations/breed with those having the beneficial mutations, then, suprise suprise, only a certain number of "apes" will have evolved. As for why we don't see creatures evolving today, we do, havn't you heard about how various strains of bacteria are evolving resistance to antibiotics, thus creating superbacteria immune to common cures? This is evolution at work, mutation combined with natural selection.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2005-07-07 at 11:24:58
Zombies are unreal, walking dead are unreal, ghosts might be real, we never know, now if u had said lich, i would have called u an undead fanatic.

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i know more mythical creatures then anyone in the staredit network, i bet.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-07-07 at 13:27:27
Either that, or you play Warcraft III too much.
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