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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Infested-Jerk on 2005-07-23 at 17:30:09
My two cents:
Black Hole= death.

Although...
I've read a book, and in it, a character ended up changing his body into many different pieces, likes ships, well he lost like 75% of them to the black hole. So he still lived, yet died. So eventualy, his other body parts died, and he became of time.
Any ideas on how that's possible?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by KrAzY on 2005-07-23 at 17:33:56
Okay, Now I know it's a the danger zone.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-23 at 23:55:37
QUOTE(IceWarrior98 @ Jul 22 2005, 08:00 PM)
Wow that scientific theory of Black Holes being balls just changes EVERYTHING...I mean, I thought were talking about the worm hole or w/e their called that folds (yes FOLDS) space, and theory says that if there was a stable one it MAY be possible to go threw it with some kind of objectmaybe even living lifeforms.

But since its actually a ball, think of it as a Star (which is actually what makes them in the first place) everytime something goes in it, it'll use what ever that was as fuel to continue burning. Now if these holes kept getting bigger, what do you think would happen? I mean, if a black hole gets big enough do you think it could devour the hole universe including other black holes?
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I believe that if Black Holes "touch" one another, they would create a rip in the universe because of the imense gravitation.

QUOTE(Voyager7456(MM) @ Jul 22 2005, 08:22 PM)
I remember going to this lecture and the speaker said that there are giant super-blackholes in the centers of most of the galaxies, (created because of the huge amount of dieing stars compressed into one space, several smaller black holes merge to form a larger one)... and that the super-blackholes would eventually suck in the rest of the matter into the universe (or a large portion of it), and then eventually merge to become a giant black hole.

Which would then evaporate in 10[sup]27[/sup] years or some other absurdly long time, leaving the universe full of... nothing.

Kinda sucks, doesn't it?
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Like I stated before, I don't believe that Black Holes can merge with eachother...

QUOTE(corbo @ Jul 22 2005, 09:04 PM)
Scientist can make a Mini-Black hole with an atomic acelerator
they don't do it because the atoms that get in it could start making it a bigger hole and boom end of us.
in a black hole as in the atomic acelerator your atoms expand so you basicaly die
but when you get out of the black hole if you get out -.- you go to somewhere but your atoms get togheter with like millions of time with more pressure than how you were at the beggining so there is no way you get out alive of it biggrin.gif
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You do know how Black Holes are made, don't you?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2005-07-24 at 00:39:34
QUOTE(IceWarrior98 @ Jul 22 2005, 08:39 PM)
As much as they are amazing, they are extremely distructive and mysterious aswell...Now heres something odd though, on another site they show a sun slingshotting AROUND the blackhole, and only losing a chunk of itself, now this questions everything considering black holes normaly take the hole thing in.
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What happens here is that a black hole doesnt just go "NUM NUM NUM NUM NUM NUM!!" and take the hole thing in quickly. It spins around kinda like the way Terra spins around Sol. The difference is a black hole has stronger gravity, but IS ESCAPABLE as long as the event horizon is not crossed. The reason it's called the event horizon is it's like a horizon on Terra, but a really bad even happens when it's crossed tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-24 at 00:46:22
Nice usage of the real names smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-24 at 15:03:38
QUOTE(MiLlEnNiUmArMy @ Jul 22 2005, 08:53 PM)
Lol that is IF we have a human here on earth who is willing to die just to serve scientific experimentation biggrin.gif. I wouldn't want to risk my life by sending myself towards a blackhole xD
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Get some people on death row. Put those future dead bodies to use.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Agehn_HanCa on 2005-07-25 at 00:00:57
Hm... campaign idea:
Destroy a Science Vessel before the insane occupants within creates a black hole, birthing both a new wave of scientific discovery and certain doom for the solar system in question.

As for my two cents on what happens if you cross the event horizon of a black hole:
I think you'd get pulled in, crushed, and killed by the immense gravitational force. You'd become part of the ball.

If your ghost were able to witness your corporeal remains, it'd be pretty interesting; I wonder what color the mass of a black hole is? Tie-die? Grey? White? It'd be some conglomeration of all the matter it's made up of. Of course, from what I know (which is very little) this color would be impossible to see even from a few inches away because any light in the vicinity is also pulled into the 'hole.'
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-25 at 18:45:23
lol...... well my theory is that it commpresses your attoms, shoots you thru into the other side, and white hole, where your attoms are expanded......soemtimes they expant too much and you shoot out of the white hole like a shot gun of matter........ but that dosnt make too much sence...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ViolentMoose on 2005-08-01 at 11:32:32
just send some 1 who has no family is like 40-50 and feels like :poo:
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-08-01 at 22:40:18
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now this questions everything considering black holes normaly take the hole thing in.

If you have a magnet and a pile of iron-shavings, then as you move the magnet closer to the shavings, they gradually start to move toward the magnet, not all at once.
This is the exact same case, except with gravity instead of magnetism.

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Like I stated before, I don't believe that Black Holes can merge with eachother...

If you had two magnets so strong that they compress themselves into smaller, higher-strength(per unit-volume) magnets, then if you place them near each other they'll slam into each other and this double-size magnet would compress itself- again.

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lol...... well my theory is that it commpresses your attoms, shoots you thru into the other side, and white hole, where your attoms are expanded......soemtimes they expant too much and you shoot out of the white hole like a shot gun of matter........ but that dosnt make too much sence...

A black hole is nothing more than an object so dense that its gravity causes it to compress itself. There are no "holes", no "ejections", just compression and sitting there.

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If your ghost were able to witness your corporeal remains, it'd be pretty interesting; I wonder what color the mass of a black hole is? Tie-die? Grey? White? It'd be some conglomeration of all the matter it's made up of. Of course, from what I know (which is very little) this color would be impossible to see even from a few inches away because any light in the vicinity is also pulled into the 'hole.'

That reminds me, the name for the "color of the universe" is "cosmic latte". It's basicaly the average of all the light in the universe, surveyed from about 200 galaxies. If redshift is not compensated for, it's a kind of "greenish white", or something like that. Otherwise it's still a whitish color. Ironicaly, that's probably about what the color of a blackhole would be if lightwaves could escape it, assuming the scientists' calculations are correct.

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WHy would you go to another universe if you've been crushed to the size of an ant?

Are you kidding?? An ant?!
More like less than an atom...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2005-08-02 at 03:57:24
QUOTE(MiLlEnNiUmArMy @ Jul 23 2005, 02:53 PM)
Lol that is IF we have a human here on earth who is willing to die just to serve scientific experimentation biggrin.gif. I wouldn't want to risk my life by sending myself towards a blackhole xD
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But since you will be crushed in virtually no time, and along with any camera equipment that you brought with you, there is possibly no way of sending information back to us while considering that not even light or any form of electromagnetic radiation can escape it, making it impossible to retrieve anything from the blackhole.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by brutetal on 2005-08-02 at 04:24:55
Its a extreamly tiny tiny chance of like one second flim or picture. If the escape veloctiy is higher then light that means that it will suck in time as well makeing it slower as your closer to it, supposivly its like 1/1000th of regular time if your right next to it. All you see is just like the light of one star is just there a moment then gone the next and you see this black huge spot like rotating and light is just going out. Its like a rolling black out.


//random ranting....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-08-02 at 15:26:36
Who came up with white holes??
Honestly, some supernerd sci-fi maniac who didn't understand anything about what he was saying. Like said before, they aren't holes, they're spheres. Like planets or suns. And because they're not holes, they dont lead anywhere. No wormholes, no white holes, nowhere.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-08-02 at 16:43:28
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If the escape veloctiy is higher then light that means that it will suck in time as well makeing it slower as your closer to it, supposivly its like 1/1000th of regular time if your right next to it.

Hm, I heard that as you get closer, time will slow to the point where it literally takes forever(since you keep accelerating)- from your perspective.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-02 at 17:08:54
im glad you all know every secret of the galixy. and once again, you bash me for haveing a differnt thought. since we dont know what is IN a black hole, then how do we know all of this :poo: about it? oh...thats right......you all know everything about everything....i forgot.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by brutetal on 2005-08-02 at 17:58:01
QUOTE(durk-A-dur @ Aug 2 2005, 02:08 PM)
im glad you all know every secret of the galixy. and once again, you bash me for haveing a differnt thought. since we dont know what is IN a black hole, then how do we know all of this :poo: about it? oh...thats right......you all know everything about everything....i forgot.
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I wonder if you realised that you misspelled galaxy, and its all just sepculations from what we see. Its all opinion, not facts. Its just what you think! What ever anyone says its just opinion not fact really, their could be more too it then what it is said.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-02 at 18:02:49
i wonder if you know that i care..... but, like yiu said, it is all opinions, not fact. so i wonder why you all bash my oppinion, when all it is is a different veiw of things.......
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-08-02 at 20:55:13
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im glad you all know every secret of the galixy. and once again, you bash me for haveing a differnt thought. since we dont know what is IN a black hole, then how do we know all of this :poo: about it? oh...thats right......you all know everything about everything....i forgot.

Well, I won't tell you you're wrong when I see some kind of evidence for what you say.
Black holes are, as far as we know and can tell, when something has so much gravity that it smashes itself into something that will always be so dense that it compresses itself to the smallest possible unit of size. Like with my magnets, putting one magnet near the other will compress it, not shoot it out some magical point somewhere else in the universe- and if it did, where would the extra magnetic force come from?
If you said something like "Black Holes are so powerful they bend space-time around them, which is understood as true, and they tear a hole in one side, leaving a hole in the other", then I might have acted less arrogantly, as some would label it.
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I wonder if you realised that you misspelled galaxy

Which has absolutely nothing to do with people telling him that he's wrong.
You forgot the 's' on "their", "whatever" is a compound word without a space, and you misspelled "speculation".
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-08 at 01:13:22
lol EZ TO THE RESCUE!!!! ok, im lost on the magnet thing.... magnents dont compress eachother. they atract eachother....... thru magnatized metal particals. gravity is not even close to magnetics....well gravity DOSE atract.....but not in the same way. there is no REAL deffinition to what gravity is...." a pull tword the ground" yeah, but what couses it? there is no known sourse of gravity. but thats off topic.....what was my point again....?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-08-08 at 03:12:15
If you had strong enough magnets they would warp each other into different shapes and possibly sizes.
Like gravity, magnetism is an attraction. If a strong enough force(such as gravity, or possibly magnetism) is applied to an object, it will warp and change shape. If the force is powerful enough, it could, depending on where the force is coming from, how strong, whether it's pushing or pulling, and so on, cause the forced-upon material to compress.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2005-08-09 at 00:10:53
Magnetism is repulsion and attraction. Magnets run on polarity. Opposites attract and vice versa. Gravity is pure attraction at this point.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-08-09 at 00:40:47
I may be a bit late for this, but:
It is, in fact, impossible for gravity to persist on a 2D level. Therefore, any gravitational force creates gravity in a sphere, not a hole. No hole. There's nothing 'in' a black hole besides possibly a core. It's a planet or sun that has taken in too much mass and hit a cascade point in gravity.

No....
Bloody....
Hole....

Secondly, time is not a prescence in our universe. It is a concept of mankind. If everything in the universe stopped moving, time would be irrelevant (but not stop, because it never existed in the first place). Time is just the transfer of energy as viewed from our perception at the rate we perceive it.

Time...
Is Just.....
A bloody......
Concept.....

If you argue with the two facts stated above, you are, plainly and simply, an idiot. Both are proven facts, regardless of what you may think or want to think.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-09 at 01:49:01
oh, thank you for unraveling the mysterys of the galaxy. you know, with out you, i don't think we would ever have gotten past the part in life were we invented fire.....oh....we did......

let us...."idiots" think outside the box will yeah? im glad that you are an all knowing force in life, but leave us who like to thing of other things than "facts" alone.

thank you biggrin.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2005-08-09 at 01:53:38
Uhh, no, argueing against what Shapechanger just posting is being an idiot, not thinking outside of the box. Otherwise it would be like saying, "My blam is round and has a hole therefore, it's a blackhole." It's stupid and defies rationality.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-09 at 01:56:05
QUOTE(ShadowBrood @ Aug 8 2005, 11:53 PM)
Uhh, no, argueing against what Shapechanger just posting is being an idiot, not thinking outside of the box.  Otherwise it would be like saying, "My blam is round and has a hole therefore, it's a blackhole."  It's stupid and defies rationality.
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LOL that is some funny sh!t !!!!

this is true......i guess, i just hate it when people think they know all the awnsers and puke it all over other people and such...... anyway.....
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