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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-08-06 at 01:13:50
No, I meant make oil. We need to harvest more canola.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2005-08-06 at 02:15:52
Well, we still haven't gotten that perfectly but, yes, corn and canola is actually quite a good fuel. I saw this one guy traveled arcoss US with nothing but corn oil i think. Or maybe he was testing a butch of things, I dunno. But that is a good idea.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-06 at 02:47:45
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Aug 5 2005, 05:32 PM)
Have you actually tried having magnets make something spin like that?

It lasts a long time and it's fast.. but it's also very weak. It could never be strong enough to generate the amount of energy needed to start the spin.
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No, it could be strong enough.


The problem is that energy is transfered out of the system to the motor.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-08-06 at 07:51:43
Okay. It is IMPOSSIBLE, or at the very least, extremely implausible, to make a perpetual motion machine that produces any reasonable amount of power.

The problem with the magnets and absolute zero? It takes power to get to absolute zero, does it not? You have to keep the thing cooled constantly with lasers and nitrogen and stuff. And in space, we have to build a huge rocket to get the damned thing up there, and then the sun produces massive amounts of radiation.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-08-06 at 14:03:35
QUOTE(___ @ Aug 6 2005, 01:47 AM)
No, it could be strong enough.
The problem is that energy is transfered out of the system to the motor.
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It's not strong enough. Have you tried to turn a power generator? It requires a significant amount of force. Speed does not equal force. Espcially since it's working under such easy conditions as no friction.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-06 at 14:11:00
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Aug 6 2005, 12:03 PM)
It's not strong enough. Have you tried to turn a power generator? It requires a significant amount of force. Speed does not equal force. Espcially since it's working under such easy conditions as no friction.
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What are you talking about, man? I can't even respond because it makes no sense.

Do you even understand how a power generator works (and that there isn't a set amound of force required to use it? Do you even understand that no friction increases speed, which inreases force?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-08-06 at 14:20:10
Here's a simple way to explain it.

Take something like what he said originally and imagine it spinning really fast. Now, ask yourself why it's spinning really fast. I can assure you it's not force that's allowing it (though, that's what's started), instead, it's the lack of friction.

The amount of "friction" on a power generator is significantly larger than the force the spinning "bar" (we'll call it that for now) can have.

To prove that speed does not equal force:
Take a gear and connect it to a smaller gear. The axle connected to the smaller gear connects to a larger gear which turns another smaller gear. Repeat this 2 or 3 times. Now, if you rotate the first gear, the last gear will be extremely fast. But, if you simply touch it, it will stop instantly.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dr.Shotgun on 2005-08-06 at 15:09:00
My idea is not practical.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Altercation on 2005-08-15 at 20:14:43
Perpetual motion: Possible
Free energy: Impossible

If we eliminate all the resistance factors we will be left with 100% or a number approaching that of exherted and used force. This way something might stay in motion for ever assuming the force it produces powers it.

If we create a perpetual motion device, we will never have more than 100% output in it. If you take energy or force out of it, it will lose that force, therefore the device will come to a stop.
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