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Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-08-17 at 21:36:30
Maybe it's hard for your little minds to comprehend because evolution occurs over millions of years.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2005-08-17 at 23:18:24
Ears were most likely caused by little hairs on little animals to detect vibration for preditors coming, or perhaps seeing. These "ears" evolved over time and allowed animals to hear different vibrations, such as the ones we hear everyday in the air.

Volcal cords were probably a mutation that become a way for communication. I am unsure of why they were used as communitcation... Thats a toughy. tongue.gif

Thumbs, as well as any appendage, came from mutations as well. As animals began in the ocean (which is where life started) they sprouted fins to help them swim faster and more effeciently. They then came on land and become four-legged (probably sprouted another "fin" on land). Out of these legs sprouted toes for better balance and whatever else, I forget what it is but something to do with more surface area (someone else probably knows). Fingers were created so animals could reach smaller places easier, such as holes in the ground (apes pick insects out).

Evolving to be immune to a disease is easy. A mutation (through sharing DNA) created offspring that changed in some way that it didn't meet the requirements for the disease or virus to effect it. Example: The new offspring is missing some DNA that the virus or disease uses to transmit its DNA, thus the virus can attach itself and do nothing. It would probably just detach.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rhiom on 2005-08-18 at 18:00:41
QUOTE(Altercation @ Aug 17 2005, 01:07 PM)
Ok Listen up. The problem with you people is your misconception of what sexual reproduction is. It is not inserting a blam into a blam, it is repruduction in which two non-identical strands of DNA are used to produce a non-identical offspring. Bacteria can sexually reproduce in something what is called "conjugation" (they form a tube through which they exchange DNA). And they did not evolve any organs or anything. So I think that fixes one crack in evolution that you didn't realize.
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so ur saying that the tube those bacteria use to share there D.N.A. always was, that it never evolved ever...and that the mehcanism by which the bacteria split and recombine these dna strands didnt have to evolve either?unfortunately u added knowledge that was in no way needed, and rantents answer already works.
Sense evolution obviosely occurs and becuase we obviosly sexuall reproduce we have to accept that we evolved this from somewhere, and sense no other explination seems prominent tat the moment we must assume that rantents is correct just for the fact that it works, if a more simple explanation appears we will then have to assume that this is correct becuase ocum's razor applys, but a simpler answer does not seem probable.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-08-18 at 20:30:00
QUOTE(Neiji @ Aug 17 2005, 07:18 PM)
How about vocal cords? Thumbs? And, if there was a disease that would wipe out life, would we evolve to be immune to it?
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Vocal cords help communication. Thumbs help us manipulate the environment. Look dude, you're arguments are dumb.

And if there was a disease that would wipe out leave, it would probably kill most of us excpet those who were immune due to mutation.

Understand, Neiji, the difference between mutation and evolution. Mutation is short term, and could counteract a disease like that over say, ten or twenty years. Evolution takes hundreds of thousands to millions or billions of years.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2005-08-19 at 01:54:15
Technically it HAS been going on for about 1 billion years (or is it three..? I forgot tongue.gif But still in the billions).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by m2nello on 2005-08-19 at 02:23:00
'good argument but the reason why evolution isnt perfect is because of the fact that it is a theory not a law
not yet at least
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2005-08-19 at 03:09:26
Evolution is law. Evolution isn't perfect because of randomness.
We know random mutations began the clockwork of life. This, coupled with survival of the fittest, created new organisms capable of new mutations that soon led to the evolution of Earth's organisms.
We know, somehow, we came from some animal before us and after the dinosuars. This is because we didn't just pop into exsistance tongue.gif . There had to have been some other way for humans to have been created (other than God, of course.)

The only questions that I raise are:
How and why did the first bacteria mutate?
How could it be... just random?
(why and how did the reproduction of *one bacteria leave its "replicate" with one more or one less bit of coded information? this puzzles me closedeyes.gif )

*the parent of the first mutated bacteria
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-08-19 at 12:10:50
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Aug 17 2005, 12:56 AM)
Ok, I ask no more discussion until everyone has read this (or enough of it so that you think you actually understand it; I would estimate at least 70% of the page):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

Failure to do so shows ignorance as you would be arguing without knowning what the topic is about, which is what most of you are doing right now.
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I'm going to quote CheeZe just to bring it to everyone's attention again. I'm sure all your questions you people are asking can be answered there.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FireStorm on 2005-08-19 at 13:01:53
hmm i wonder what will people or w/e you like to call them in maybe 100 years or thousand? (If we last that long) closedeyes.gif or maybe the problems that occur like pollution will be a factor on how we change or the more we try to use are brain and we advance on how we teach are edutcations maybe what we call genuis today may be normal to everyone tommorow tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PCFredZ on 2005-08-19 at 13:21:03
Most of you need to learn some REAL Biology before coming here and expressing your, ahem, contributing ideas.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2005-08-19 at 13:55:34
As someone might or might not have alreaady said, Sexual reproduction started with monocellular organisms fusing, they didnt need the time to grow sexual organs because the just fused into each other, after awhile you got some say, tricellular organisms and some monocellular organism, the tricellular organism are evolving at a tremendous speed while the monocellular organisms are not. This is why no higher veterbrate asexually reproduces. (I believe that they don't get any higher than frogs.)
While sexual reproduction over-evolved itself so now we have a short period of impotence, followed by a long period of... potence.... followed by a long-short period of impotence. Not really that disadvantageous when you think about it.

ADDITION: NO, evoluiton isn't a law, it is a theory. Until people can observe something evolve it will be a theory end of story.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2005-08-19 at 14:01:17
I know the how evolution works! You click on one of the Zerg's upgrading buildings and click on one of the various evolutions. After a few minutes you are notified "Evolution complete."

Just like god intended.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-08-19 at 16:21:18
Doodan: This is serious discussion, not starcraft discussion. smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2005-08-19 at 16:25:30
Honey, I submitted my serious discussion points earlier.

I'm sure you saw them when you were scrolling through my posts list.

lol wink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-08-19 at 16:27:35
Yea Doodan, I submitted my points too before! Now we are free to spam all we want aren't we?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by m2nello on 2005-08-19 at 16:51:18
QUOTE(l)ark_13 @ Aug 19 2005, 03:09 AM)
Evolution is law.  Evolution isn't perfect because of randomness.
We know random mutations began the clockwork of life.  This, coupled with survival of the fittest, created new organisms capable of new mutations that soon led to the evolution of Earth's organisms.
We know, somehow, we came from some animal before us and after the dinosuars.  This is because we didn't just pop into exsistance tongue.gif .  There had to have been some other way for humans to have been created (other than God, of course.)

The only questions that I raise are:
How and why did the first bacteria mutate? 
How could it be... just random?
(why and how did the reproduction of *one bacteria leave its "replicate" with one more or one less bit of coded information?  this puzzles me closedeyes.gif )

*the parent of the first mutated bacteria
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Plz tell me wut kind of law is flawed a law is a law if it is proven beyond all doubt
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-08-19 at 17:11:27
It's funny because evolution isn't a law, and there isn't a flaw that is known yet.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by m2nello on 2005-08-19 at 17:33:57
QUOTE(devilesk @ Aug 19 2005, 05:11 PM)
It's funny because evolution isn't a law, and there isn't a flaw that is known yet.
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Have u not read any of the other posts there r many flaws
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-08-19 at 17:34:36
Tell CheeZe that. Since he has told me you people have no idea what you guys are talking about and that there are no known flaws.

I have a feeling that CheeZe would just refer to this though:

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Ok, I ask no more discussion until everyone has read this (or enough of it so that you think you actually understand it; I would estimate at least 70% of the page):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

Failure to do so shows ignorance as you would be arguing without knowning what the topic is about, which is what most of you are doing right now.


Have you read that?

Has anyone here read that?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by m2nello on 2005-08-19 at 17:41:16
if there are no known flaws then please explain why on that site it shows in big black letters SCIENTIFIC THEORY
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2005-08-19 at 17:41:38
Here's a little something that might be a flaw:

Is everyone aware of the Law of Thermodynamics (I can't remember which one) that states that the universe is moving into a gradual state of chaos? In other words, ENTROPY. The forms of matter and energy that currently exist will degrade overtime into less and less "useful" forms.

Now, the theory of evolution states that things change from simple to complex, i.e. single celled organisms to multicell organisms. Does the THEORY not go against the LAW of the universe? Learn a little about each and let your brain sizzle on that one for awhile. I lost some sleep over that question when I was in biology class.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-08-19 at 17:50:05
QUOTE(the_man103 @ Aug 19 2005, 05:41 PM)
if there are no known flaws then please explain why on that site it shows in big black letters SCIENTIFIC THEORY
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Because it's a theory of course. I didn't know that just because it was a theory it had to have known flaws.

ADDITION:
QUOTE(Doodan @ Aug 19 2005, 05:41 PM)
Here's a little something that might be a flaw:

Is everyone aware of the Law of Thermodynamics (I can't remember which one) that states that the universe is moving into a gradual state of chaos? In other words, ENTROPY. The forms of matter and energy that currently exist will degrade overtime into less and less "useful" forms.

Now, the theory of evolution states that things change from simple to complex, i.e. single celled organisms to multicell organisms. Does the THEORY not go against the LAW of the universe? Learn a little about each and let your brain sizzle on that one for awhile. I lost some sleep over that question when I was in biology class.
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Do animals not try to survive, and is natural selection not logical?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by m2nello on 2005-08-19 at 17:50:35
QUOTE(devilesk @ Aug 19 2005, 05:48 PM)
Because it's a theory of course. I didn't know that just because it was a theory it had to have known flaws.
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Then please define the difference between a law and a theory
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-08-19 at 17:53:46
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Then please define the difference between a law and a theory


Okay I'm wrong, you have proven that the difference between a theory and a law is that theories have a flaw and laws don't.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by m2nello on 2005-08-19 at 17:57:05
QUOTE(devilesk @ Aug 19 2005, 05:53 PM)
Okay I'm wrong, you have proven that the difference between a theory and a law is that theories have a flaw and laws don't.
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A law becomes a law when it has been proven that there are no flaws and as doodan stated evolution (a theory) goes against the LAW of the universe
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