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The laws created are not based off of Christianity, but by morality (in the United States). There are very few laws without good intent (regardless of whether or not we agree with them), and any similarities between our laws and Christianity can probably be found in Judaism and Islam as well. Let the state govern the state and the religion govern the religion (as long as the religion is benevolent).

It's all about parents.

Everything about weed, that's no good intent.

Same with canabalism.

If anyone is still reading this thread, this is a very well-presented web essay on morality. Kind of an atheist slant, but hey, it's interesting nonetheless.

About the ten commandments thing:
About the Killing law:
I seem to remember hearing something on some TV show preaching religion that exception to that was open combat- war.

Well, that condition is not in the Ten Commandments. So that just helps prove my point that the Bible is no basis for our current laws.

And shouldn't be, the biblical ideals may have worked for their time period, but in the world of today, they seem to hinder things more than they help. That is simply my opinion.

If you look at it almost all sets of morals, anywhere are based off of one ideal. the ideal of survival and the passin gon of genes. One might argue that this is not true for things such as cannabals. But you must remember that this urge to survive to pass on genes is very self focused, i.e. that canabal isnt worried about the one they eat passing on their genes but instead that the canabal may eat so that the canabal may live and pass on it's genes. Someone might ask that if this will to pass on your genes runs our entire moral system and is entirely selfish then where do we get the idea that we should help one another? this can actually be viewed as selfish in a way. When someone gives to a community they will give to their own 90% of the time, this is becuase by improving your community in turn your also improving things for yourself. one good example of this could be seen from a two sparring partners. Lets assume that sparrign partner #1 is better then #2. If #1 wants to improve fast then he needs someone at least as good as him if not better so that he can train at a level that will help him get better. if sparring partner #1 helps teach sparring partner #2 to be just as good as himself this is in turn benefieting #1 becuase now he can train agaisnt someone who is just as good as himself.

this way of helping others and in turn getting a benefit back can acount for why selfless deeds can be considerd very profitable. Becuase if 2 people have it good they can improve on that more then just one person can. This also explains why it is important to form partnerships, not onl with the opposite gender for reproduction but also teamwork so that it's possible to get things done that one person couldnt becuase when this gets done it inturn improves the world for yourself or your offspring.

Now one person might ask, then why are their cases where an old person will take the bullet for a younger person they dont even know. This can be traced back to self benefiet in a way aswell, becuase this person is old we can assume that they most likely have already have had children so by taking this bullet for a stranger they can assume that they are making the world a better place for their children. and if they havent had children geneicly they dont have much to liove for while this young person still can bare young. the self motivation is still present becuase the person can have the fact that they used their own life to make a difference in another person's life. this could only have occured after the morol code of helping others had already been established alhough it quit possibly could really have been self motivation that was the motivator for the morale code of helping others (contradictory at first but if you look at it it makes sense)

having children can also e viewed as self motivated becuase it is the only way to continue the person's genetic code, i.e a way of perserving one's self, if not in fact then at least somewhat in flesh and teaching.

Im sure that there was a lot of christian influence but that doesnt mean that american laws solely represent christians, if that were the case there wouldnt be speration of church and state.

As soon as you post some evidence for that claim, I'll either analyze it and agree with you or analyze it and refute your argument. In fact, I can refute it right now. You used to be able to kill people who were trespassing on your land, a violation of the Ten Commandments, but now it's only legal to use lethal force against someone applying that same force against you. It's an old law that has evolved to be more "Christian", as you would put it, over time, and not less Christian as your second statement indicates.

Even if your first statement is right, your second statement is an admission that our laws no longer represent the Christian moral code. So Christianity still should not be invoked as the thing dictating our current laws.

Morality is what people of good alignment use to make choices.
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People form their own morals based on their own exsperiances and empathy, and they form those morals with a few goals, one of the main goals is preventing pain.

Therefore people like Tazzy, the guy who started this topic, and my friend Danny have no morality. They know what it is, but they think it's a waste of time, or societies way of controling us or whatever, so they don't bother with it.
What they do instead is just do what they want without coming up with moral priciples (although they do have personal laws if they are Lawful) to guide them.

^ Yes I know this is light discussion or Null serious, but I can't take life seriously enough for serious discussion ^

Rome's laws against killing and stealing were in place before Christianity appeared. So I'm afraid you're out of luck on that count.

Here and now they are christianly based, your country was founded by christians, who made the laws, after christianities laws

ever still swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.. so help you GOD (that's christian God) on, you guessed it, a christian bible

Wow. And still we have no proof whatsoever, only blatant, ignorant generalizations.

You do know that people who don't believe in God are not required to say that in court.

The country had a lot of different influences from back when it was just composed of states. The law wasn't universal then and it isn't now either. Some laws are based of religion, and some aren't. Some were influenced by ancient religion, and some by modern religion.

I think that this is off topic and poor guesswork and generalization.

Well I agree with you for the most part but what laws are based on modern religion

There would be no way to make a law based on religion because religion has no place in government since that would be imposing certain beliefs on others who may or may not agree with that