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It's only real in our minds. And we invented it with our minds.

Existing does not mean it has to have a meaning.

It has a meaning only because we've applied it. If you never apply it, it will still exist, just never be used. Give me a time in which math didn't exist.

Prove that everything that hasn't been applied yet exists.

And are you saying nothing at all is invented?

Why? My only side is math. I never said everything else.

If you want me to prove math; simple. Let's get rid of math completely in our world. Completely. Quantity exists but there is no way to express them (they have to exist, if you have a computer, you have ONE computer).

Now tell me, in this given scenario, if someone were to ask you what is two plus two, you wouldn't have an answer. Correct? Yes.

This can be applied to something very similar from the past; if you were to ask a person from the 1700's what Platinum was and what properties it had, they wouldn't know. Because it wasn't discovered back then.

However, tell me, what is the difference between 1700's platinum and 2005's platinum? Apply this to math; what is two plus two in 5000 B.C.? What is two plus two now? What is two plus two in the future? What is two plus two before the universe began?

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Ah, you are asking questions about not being sure on something I've said. This only shows that all of your questions could be arrived on false assumptions. Shouldn't have done that. =P

VERY IMPORTANT:
Until my questions are satisfied, your questions after this shall remain irrelevant unless it answers my questions. Ignoring my questions only concedes the point; I only need one point across to prove that it exists.

So the word invented has no meaning?



No, answer the question.


Okay, I accept I'm wrong, CheeZe is right, Math is a discovery.

First time I've ever heard something like that.... At least on SEN.

Once CheeZe showed me the difference between the actual concept of math, which when I realized it has obviously always existed, when compared to how we USE the concept of math, which was invented. I think I was trying to argue for the invention of the use of math.

The first post is too vague, and there's really nothing to argue about.

Good to see people agreeing that math is a discovery

math is an abstract concept that exists. it's a system of labeling things. 2 cow and 2 horses. now that means we have 4 animals.

math itself is a discovery, but the methods we use are invented as a way to work with these numbers.

The question is pointless.

There's nothing to argue.

Because math is a system that everyone's is close to eachothers.
So some guys just created what everything was like when they were creating words.

ADDITION:
Because math is a system that everyone's is close to eachothers.
So some guys just created what everything was like when they were creating words.

If you're gonna count math as a discovery, then you must count all inventions as discoveries.

But ya, this is such a stupid topic. Invention, discovery? It doesn't matter enough to the point where it must be on serious discussion forums. It's not the, "think real hard about labels", forum.

I dont think you can catagoize math in those two catagories. Its neither.

It just exists whether humans were alive or not. Sure, we discoverd it, but not in the sense you are thinking. We weren't like:
"OMG OMG!!! LOOK BILL!! MATH!!! OMG THIS IS AWESOME!! 5*3=15!! MATH!!"
If some cave man took one rock from his left and and one rock from his right hand and then but them into both hands he would realize there would be 2 rocks. Its pretty obvious. He wasn't like:
"1 rock... and 1 rock... 2 rocks!!! HEHEHEHE HAHA! "
He just knew there were two rocks; 1 more than he had in either hand.

Its definately not an invention because we never invented math! Wtf are you guys talking about? Are you that arrogent? Math is what the universe is. Its what it's made of. The universe is math, in the form of matter. Pft... jeeze... guys. you disapoint me...

I personally find this philosophically intruiging.. and it is a serious question.

Ever heard the phrase theres no stupid question?
This doesnt apply here.

Anyway, there is plenty to argue.
Math as a concept its self was discovered..
But the functions were inventions.

Therefore, IMO i consider it both a discover and an invention.

No. The "it" is two separate things, so one is a discovery, and another is an invention, more specifically the actual concept of math is a discovery and it's use is an invention.

Mathematics is a theoretical tool in which humans created to understand the world around them and to keep track of it.

2+2=4 no matter what circumstances are applied.

At first, it was used to keep track of trading goods in ancient times. Later philosophical thinkers of ancient times, like arabs, greeks and egyptians started experimenting with numbers and variables to find out the unkown.

But if we trully want to define wether or not Math is a Discovery/Invention we need to seprate the different branches.

1) Arithmetic is a discovery because as I stated before, 2+2 always equals to 4, therefore it existed prior to our knowing of it.

2) Algebra is an invention because it is our attempt to find out the unkown in an orderly way. We made the rules to make 2x+5=7, in which we use properties of arithmetic to prove that x=1. We used our previous discoveries of arithmetic to invent algerba.

3) Geometry//Trigonometry is a Discovery. In all triangles, x[sup]2[/sup]+y[sup]2[/sup] has always equalled to c[sup]2[/sup]. Therefore it is clearly a discovery. We just couldn't interpret it without our previous algebraic invention.

4) Pre-Calculus combines the techniques of Algebra, Geometry and Trigonometry to find out more advanced problems.

5) Calculus is an invention. It is used to find out things not able to be solved with Algebra. Calculus uses graphs to find otu a solution not comprehendible by the human mind, it simplifies concepts so that they can be viewed by us.

For example:

Try finding the equation of a function tangent to a non-linear function. It's very simple really, you could spend hours upon hours trying to move a secant into a tangent but it would just take too long.
Calculus makes the job easier by using a derivative:
f'(x)=lim[sub]h->o[/sub](f(x+h)-f(x))/h
Then you would go ahead and substitue x by x[sub]n[/sub] and find the slope of the tangent and thus making the job much easier.

You can also find the area under a curve. Also you could spend many days or weeks trying to find the area by dividing it into making many segments and getting an answer of A(x)=lim[sub](x->n)[/sub]Z, but you would never get to an actual value.

Beer just about blam slapped everyone here, including me.

I ahve a tendency to do that, don't know why though, but I like it.

All Beer did was take my original post and make it larger and have it more idiot proof than it already was. -.-

lmao

aye, sorry cheeze, I didn't read em all.

*Takes slapping crown from Beer, and gives it to cheeze*

Yea, CheeZe owned it a while ago, I thought this topic was dead

why the does this matter

Oh, okay, let's have every member at sen just repeat eachother.