QUOTE(Syphon @ Oct 8 2005, 04:34 PM)
People can't come up with just completely random numbers either. Whenever you're asked for one you're always influenced by something. very rarely does a true "random number" occur.
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What the hell is up with all this number talk? Humanity isn't based entirely on calculation. If it were, we'd be as boring as hell... Okay, let me get to my point with this. People don't always have to follow their programming. It is possible to ignore programming. You don't always need a reason to do something. You can just "do it." Nor do you even need a reason to like something, people can like stuff for the sake of liking stuff, which really isn't a reason. Humans
can be random, and using mathematics to try and explain that, in my opinion, is not the best method. Numbers aren't all there is to the Intelligence.
QUOTE(Infested-Jerk @ Oct 12 2005, 05:12 PM)
(This is one of my, I'm on topic, but off topic)
OF COURSE!!! WHAT DO YOU THINK WEIS IS?
I bet computers will someday evolve that far. They process stuff much faster, which means eventualy, they could learn constantly. They've started making a robot make of blocks, that can become a number of other shapes, like squares, lines, ect. That may be where AI lies.
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Yeah, about that... they wouldn't be computers anymore, now would they? And it takes more than learning. If an entity "can" learn, what would it matter if it didn't want to learn? Just like us humans, the A.I. would need some sort of drive, a reason to go on. But if it truly held some form of sentience, it wouldn't need a real reason. It could want to, "just because." And if that were so, it would mean that the A.I. would need to have opinions, or be capable of them as a result of their randomness.
QUOTE(Syphon @ Oct 12 2005, 06:24 PM)
O, but they are. There is no spoon and all the jimma jammer.
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=\. Proven theories are still just theories. The laws may apply eternally, but with our limited senses and abilites, we will never be able to tell completely. Thought is the only concrete reality.
QUOTE(00cnr @ Oct 15 2005, 07:38 AM)
I think AI is very possible. We might not see it in our generations but it might come out a few later. Back in the 1800's, did you think the people living there thought that it was possible to create a machine that flew? Do you think that the thought that humans would walk on the moon? No but they did any way. With technology, almost anything can be done, including AI
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Uh...okay... please don't assume such things. While that is true, it proves that possibilites are still quite possible, but not definite. Until something is actually done, until someone has made some form of true A.I., you can't assume its definitely going to happen.
Alright, so here's what I think. First, I think it'd be a good idea to define "artificial." Because I don't see what the difference between a sentient product of technology and a sentient product of nature would be. They would both exist on the plane of thought, wouldn't they? Well than, that would mean that the A.I. isn't really a computer anymore. I'd say an A.I. would exist in a computer, but unlike a program. Think about it, we would have to make the A.I. in a way similiar to humans for them to truly think. I don't think it would be impossible for a true A.I. to be incapable of human error because, really now, what would the difference be? The A.I. wouldn't be a computer anymore. It wouldn't be a program. It isn't built to calculate and think 100% mathematically, and thus would be capable of what we should start calling "sentient" error. And I'd also have to say that this error is also a product of our innate randomness.
Now, as to the creation of such a thing, I'd have to say I have no clue. In my opinion, human's still don't know enough about themselves to recreate sentient thought, because thats really our only source of information. The only thing we can base these things on are ourselves, because as of yet, we are the only truely sentient creatures we know of.
As an end note, I'd like to say that I'm pretty sure the A.I. Crayak is thinking of is NOT a robot, or a computer.
and...well... that was fun.