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If we believe the government is too unconstitutional we can overthrow it, or secede from it. The founding fathers were smart that way.

The founding fathers were smart in a different way. They were smart by adding three branches of government, supposdely to keep the chair of government upright so that NOBODY WOULD HAVE TO SECEDE.

If you think it's stupid to try and get under god taken out good for you, I do too, but I understand that they are perfectly right to want to have it taken out. Again, it doesn't affect me either way, so in my view if people want to use their time to pursue taking out the words under god then let them. I don't need to use my time telling them whether I think it's wrong or not.

heh, too me, taking out "under god" is just some stupid bull. Heck, at my school, we dont even say the pledge of alligence. muwahahha. like someone else said...people are getting to worked up over nothing. they should be worried about the important stuff; like the dangers in the world...etc...the pledge of alligence stuff is BS. and "God" can be meant as their god, or if they dont believe in god, so what? dont say that part anyway...sheesh

Ever wonder what the pledge of alliegence is? All it is a group of words saying out loud that YOU pledge your alliegence to AMERICA. The land and the people. It has little to do with the government. All the government does is make sure we don't kill each other or other people kill us. The government just runs the country in an orderly manner. And, please correct me if Im wrong, that the constitution only states about religion and government. So that means the group of words called the pledge of alliegence isn't apart of the government, its apart of the people and what we fight for.
So that means that the uncoinstitutional arguement effects only the government and not the pledge....

This was in the courts forever! I'm suprised they finally finished it. When will this go into affect?

It wont take effect until it goes to the supreme court and they say its unconstitutional. (if they do think it's unconstitutional. I think.

Chris, the pledge of alleigence does indeed relate to the United States government, our government pays for what we call public schools, these are under the control of a branch of the government. Therefor, it is indeed unconstitutional for a government sponsered organisation to promote the saying of a pledge relating to god. Personally, I don't really care that much, this is more a matter of principle than being offended, enforcing the constitution for its own sake.

This is inaccurate because Google does not search for capitalization. When God is capitalized it refers to the God of the Bible ONLY. any other god that you can think of is not capitalized. Since the God in the pledge of allegiance is capitalized...there is only one option for who it is. God is capitalized because it is a name and its a name that you as a person can never give to anything nor take it away. Therefore when you label a certain idol as a god, it is not its name.

It is not still unconstitutional because it is not a law. No one is making anybody do anything.

Separation of Church and State is within the First Amendment. Unless you're trying to tell me the Bill of Rights isn't a law.


Because they're performing an unconstitutional action. Would you want someone doing something unconstitutional? Of course not! I, however, simply don't want to be exposed to people who say these things for everyone to hear.

I also would not say everything and skip a part; that would be lying. A pledge of allegiance means to agree fully to what should be said. I refuse to support something that favors one thing over another based on belief.


What you're trying to say is, it's perfectly ok that they break the law? No. Of course not. Punishment or reversal of action must exist no matter how subtle the problem seems to be.


While I agree that is why there is a pledge, it has nothing to do with the phrase.

Sorry, but your wrong. The STATES run the schools. They get funding from the government. If the states do not reach a certain standard, their funding get's cut.

So therefore the government only subsidises the States, and does not run the schools.



Why do you think they want to ban gay marriage? Because the church deems it to be unmoral.

Doesn't sound like the government runs things like they should. Putting church beliefs into their laws.



The populus as a whole, throughout the world, believe in god. Only a certain percentage do not. Most of the laws and idea's of the world are based off of religion and god[right][snapback]339060[/snapback][/right]

Correction, WE pay for public education through our tax dollars.



Yea, well its not always church, it could be the temple's beleifs too, lets not single out Christianity now because that could be bais

Plus its more like personal morals

What about polytheists and atheists, STARS?
Besides, like I said, the US Gov't is supposed to be secular, meaning no connection or affiliation with god or gods of any sort.

Heh Kellimus said something about this before



Not that I agree with that as a response to what CheeZe said, cough cough.

Hrm...

I see nothing wrong being me, but do what my Johova witness friend does, just don't say it.

Chances are, "under God" will not be removed from the Pledge because this country...

A. is vastly monotheistic.

B. A lot of voters are extremist christians such as, for example, Pat Robertson.

C. Who the hell cares, anyways? You don't even have to say the Pledge more than once.
It may be unconstitutional, but who really needs to care?

Its actually (correct me if Im wrong) religion and NOT GOD, as in there can be religions that don't believe in gods but believe in ancient spirits and etc. I think the text in the Constitution states religion, but not god.

Hmm, all religions don't have to involve a god, but do all gods involve religion?

I think so. Religion includes god.

You guys should read the first amendment again, and then ask yourself whether the pledge actually violates it.

The Pledge of Allegiance is official, so yes, infact, it does violate the constitution.

Does congress force you to say it?

I don't even have to say anything new to reply to that

all religions include gods? ya, THINK SO

... but when you refer to god as far as I know it ties to religion. Ever heard of all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares?