Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-11-28 at 19:00:13
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In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day. And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
He made plants before the sun? Plants cant last very long without the sun....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ... on 2005-11-28 at 19:05:08
Plants CAN last 1 day without sun.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-11-28 at 19:06:18
Yeah, that's what I mean. It's saying that it couldn't have been more than a day or so.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-11-28 at 19:15:16
The sun was made on the second day:
If the sun wasn't made yet, then what gave the light?
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And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
If the sun wasn't made yet, then what gave the light?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-11-28 at 19:19:54
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And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars
The day after the plants were created...
Maybe he generates light, hell I don't know. But for certain, the sun was made after the plants.
P.S. Light has to contain Ultraviolet to be beneficial to plants.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-11-28 at 19:47:15
Well neither of those quotes actually say the creation of the sun. It could've been either one, who knows.
But even if it was made on the fourth day...
If God has the power to make life, then I'm pretty damn sure he has the power to keep life living. So even IF those plants needed uv rays (they probably could've been plants that didn't need light, and as time ellapsed, they gradually grew to became dependent on light), then God would use his powers to keep those plants alive. That's just my guess
But there are several reasons why I believe these days are longer than earth days, my most important reason would be the dinosaurs. On the Fifth (or sixth) day, it said that God created the animals. Now it doesn't say what kind of animals, and seeing how they existed before the humans did, it sounded reasonable that the animals that existed before the humans were dinosaurs. Now when the dinosaurs died off, we have found evidence of surviving creatures or something and as the years passed, they slowly evolved.
But even if it was made on the fourth day...
If God has the power to make life, then I'm pretty damn sure he has the power to keep life living. So even IF those plants needed uv rays (they probably could've been plants that didn't need light, and as time ellapsed, they gradually grew to became dependent on light), then God would use his powers to keep those plants alive. That's just my guess
But there are several reasons why I believe these days are longer than earth days, my most important reason would be the dinosaurs. On the Fifth (or sixth) day, it said that God created the animals. Now it doesn't say what kind of animals, and seeing how they existed before the humans did, it sounded reasonable that the animals that existed before the humans were dinosaurs. Now when the dinosaurs died off, we have found evidence of surviving creatures or something and as the years passed, they slowly evolved.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-11-28 at 19:52:35
It says he made fowl after the whales. Birds evolved FROM dinosaurs. The closest thing to them would be Pterodacytls (However you spell it) at the time/
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Do-0dan on 2005-11-28 at 19:52:47
=/ why would god create animals that He knows will die and that had no importance to God or humans? 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shmeeps on 2005-11-28 at 20:29:09
On the whole, "Plants can't live without sun for more than a day" thing, you might find it interesting that the plants chloroplasts (Things that make food with water, co2, and sunlight, for those of you that don't know) and mitochondria (Things that make energy with food) are supposed to be actual organisms that eukaryotic cells engulfed into themself in the process of endosymbiosis. Chloroplasts and mitochondria have their own DNA, which could be their own DNA before they were engulfed, and this process goes on today, proof that it could be right.
Endosymbiosis
So as far as you're concerned, the plants back then could have been heterotrophic, no autotrophic.
Endosymbiosis
So as far as you're concerned, the plants back then could have been heterotrophic, no autotrophic.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-11-28 at 23:09:24
QUOTE(XxMooseynexX @ Nov 27 2005, 03:39 PM)
9)You all know that the electrons of the atom whirl around the necleus billions of times every millionth of a second, and that the nucleus of the atom consists of particles called neutrons and protons. Neutrons have no electrical charge and are therefore neutal. But, protons have positive charges. One law of electricity is: LIKE CHARGES REPEL EACH OTHER! Since all the protons in the nucelus are positively charged, they should repel each other and scatter into space.
If gluons aren't the answer... what is?
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If gluons aren't the answer... what is?
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strong nuclear force
electromagnetism isn't the only force there is
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You should have payed attention in 8th grade physics.
They called it "Introduction to Physical Science" in my school
I think it would be interesting if everyone shared their opinion about this thread when they first saw the title "Evolution Has Holes"
When I read it I thought, "sigh, another one of these topics again, I suspect creationism, who is this guy, someone call CheeZe."
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If God has the power to make life, then I'm pretty damn sure he has the power to keep life living.
Can't argue with that logic.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-11-28 at 23:14:31
Millenium, I don't know why, but I think the Bible's genesis is just a rough idea about the creation of Earth... I mean, WHO THE HELL WAS AROUND?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-11-28 at 23:15:15
God was.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-11-28 at 23:16:54
Well, if you wanna look at it THAT way...
If you can't talk to God, where'd they GET all that stuff in the Bible?
If you can't talk to God, where'd they GET all that stuff in the Bible?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-11-28 at 23:26:39
I believe there were people called prophets.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-11-29 at 02:17:41
QUOTE(nuclearrabbit @ Nov 28 2005, 01:49 AM)
[center]Evolution has been seen, creationism has not.
Scientists have studied generations of birds living on an island. Each generation has specific adaptations that came from the previos generation thriving from those adaptations (Beak size/shape). I'm just remembering an old episode of 'Nova' that I saw.
No one has ever seen an armidillo just pop into existance, and it's not going to happen anytime soon.
I trust my sences, if I can see/feel/hear/all those it, it's real/true.
"Finally we've come to our sences, and worship a carpenter who lived 2,000 years ago."[/center]
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Scientists have studied generations of birds living on an island. Each generation has specific adaptations that came from the previos generation thriving from those adaptations (Beak size/shape). I'm just remembering an old episode of 'Nova' that I saw.
No one has ever seen an armidillo just pop into existance, and it's not going to happen anytime soon.
I trust my sences, if I can see/feel/hear/all those it, it's real/true.
"Finally we've come to our sences, and worship a carpenter who lived 2,000 years ago."[/center]
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as for the appendix maybe it serves an unknown purpose that we are not aware of yet.
Maybe it houses your SOUL woooooooo.
Honestly, this thread was rediculous from the start.
Well summed up: If evolution has holes, creationism has canyons, craters, and chasms.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-11-29 at 03:22:37
QUOTE(ArbitraryViolence @ Nov 27 2005, 12:58 PM)
This discussion is giving me such a god damn headache.
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Here, here.
QUOTE(Shapechanger @ Nov 28 2005, 06:32 AM)
I'm not exactly sure which ones, they may not be the lower ones, but a few of our ribs serve no purpose at all. I forget, it's been a while since I looked this up. They were either too brittle to stop anything or in a position where they didn't actually protect anything in the first place. I'm not sure.
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Proof? I know that without my bottom ribs, I would be dead right now. Ever heard of being smashed by a 300 pound person?
QUOTE(Shmeeps @ Nov 28 2005, 06:29 PM)
On the whole, "Plants can't live without sun for more than a day" thing, you might find it interesting that the plants chloroplasts (Things that make food with water, co2, and sunlight, for those of you that don't know) and mitochondria (Things that make energy with food) are supposed to be actual organisms that eukaryotic cells engulfed into themself in the process of endosymbiosis. Chloroplasts and mitochondria have their own DNA, which could be their own DNA before they were engulfed, and this process goes on today, proof that it could be right.
Endosymbiosis
So as far as you're concerned, the plants back then could have been heterotrophic, no autotrophic.
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Endosymbiosis
So as far as you're concerned, the plants back then could have been heterotrophic, no autotrophic.
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Thank god someone that knows botany.
And take a look at mushrooms. Most mushrooms don't even grow in the light. So doesn't that mean that the plants that had no sunlight, could be fungi??
QUOTE(GodDidIt @ Nov 28 2005, 09:26 PM)
I believe there were people called prophets.
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Wow. For dogging on religion and or The Bible, you sure know a lot about it ^_^ But you are right about that though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stryke on 2005-11-29 at 11:45:34
you know i just realized something we are all going on almost two basic things... creationism or evolution i just thought of another one (ok this is kinda funny feel free to ignore)
space hippies.... they came here and abandoned all their tech to pursue a more "free" life had kids didnt tell them of technology hence it was lost and humans grew from there... (man thats histerical)
ok back to the topic at hand yea its pretty much been proven that evolution exists if you dont believe in evolution well then tell me what makes cancer: a mutation in a cell... ok so if cells can mutate its possible for them to mutate and that mutation gives them an advantage ta da evolution
we should really quit bashing creationism the bible says a lot of things... and not very clearly... and often contridicts itself... there are other religons though other forms of creationism not just "and god said let there be light and it was so" you could go with the scientoligists way of thinking... alien ghosts inhabit your bodie and the only way to get them out is by... paying scientoligists...wow that sounds like a quick money scheme... well you could uh. constantly seek enlightenment??? in budism...
ya know what religon is kinda overrated we really should try to keep it out of the "evolution has its holes" topic and show how evolutionary theorys have enough data already to prove its existance
space hippies.... they came here and abandoned all their tech to pursue a more "free" life had kids didnt tell them of technology hence it was lost and humans grew from there... (man thats histerical)
ok back to the topic at hand yea its pretty much been proven that evolution exists if you dont believe in evolution well then tell me what makes cancer: a mutation in a cell... ok so if cells can mutate its possible for them to mutate and that mutation gives them an advantage ta da evolution
we should really quit bashing creationism the bible says a lot of things... and not very clearly... and often contridicts itself... there are other religons though other forms of creationism not just "and god said let there be light and it was so" you could go with the scientoligists way of thinking... alien ghosts inhabit your bodie and the only way to get them out is by... paying scientoligists...wow that sounds like a quick money scheme... well you could uh. constantly seek enlightenment??? in budism...
ya know what religon is kinda overrated we really should try to keep it out of the "evolution has its holes" topic and show how evolutionary theorys have enough data already to prove its existance
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2005-11-29 at 12:23:17
Stars "decay".
Our sun is a star.
If the earth existed for millions of years...
Our earth couldn't exist...
Because back then, the sun would have to be so big...
It would eat earth.
You know, though, evolution requires millions of billions of years...
Our sun is a star.
If the earth existed for millions of years...
Our earth couldn't exist...
Because back then, the sun would have to be so big...
It would eat earth.
You know, though, evolution requires millions of billions of years...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2005-11-29 at 12:39:42
The sun has remained about the same size for billions of years. Later on in its life it will shrink, then expand as it becomes a red giant, then contract to become a white dwarf.
As far as I can remember, stars only begin to decay once they start running out of hydrogen fuel. (Which our sun has plenty of.)
As far as I can remember, stars only begin to decay once they start running out of hydrogen fuel. (Which our sun has plenty of.)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-11-29 at 16:20:57
I'm curious, will an animal ever become smart as, or smarter than a human. OR, will an animal ever become able to talk?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-11-29 at 16:24:07
Some animals are very smart already, like dolphins and pigs.
But as far as talking, I dunno. It would be sweet if they could talk to us.
But as far as talking, I dunno. It would be sweet if they could talk to us.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2005-11-29 at 20:46:05
Animals already do talk... just not in a language you understand. 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Do-0dan on 2005-11-29 at 20:55:39
they dont have a language, but they can communicate with each other by noise, chemicals, and physical movements
i forgot how whales and dolphins communicate...
i forgot how whales and dolphins communicate...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2005-11-29 at 21:02:48
Yeah, I didn't mean an actual written or spoken language, I just meant that they are communicating.
And Nejii, the answer to both questions would be yes, given enough time and the right circumstances.
And Nejii, the answer to both questions would be yes, given enough time and the right circumstances.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-11-29 at 21:14:45
Remember, when all the Dolphins disapear, it's time to hitch a ride on a passing spacecraft.