Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2004-06-01 at 21:26:49
QUOTE(Mini Moose 2707 @ Jun 1 2004, 08:16 PM)
So what changes exactly were made to unvisioning? Can someone explain it clearly in detail? 
It was the result of some crappy maps and some screwed up triggers. I don't know if it had to do with 1.11b, which was my intial guesses. Its really weird, but doesn't effect the current maps on battle.net. Arg dont worry about it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SI on 2004-06-01 at 21:41:40
QUOTE(Ðeathknight @ Jun 1 2004, 07:57 PM)
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(as small as they could be)
Apparantly, Blizzard once again changed the Starcraft addresses to prevent 3rd party programs, the update also rendered the following hacks useless if they were ever changed to work with 1.11b:
umm, you realize that when they recompile SC it automatically is optimized differently....
DW is gonna be pissed tho
Report, edit, etc...Posted by evolipel on 2004-06-01 at 21:45:09
I think I finally got what Blizzard meant. 
You can turn off vision alright. It's just that you can't fool your SC into thinking you have a turned off vision. Which is why you can't stack.
So, in other words, turning off vision works but stacking in itself doesn't.
You can turn off vision alright. It's just that you can't fool your SC into thinking you have a turned off vision. Which is why you can't stack.
So, in other words, turning off vision works but stacking in itself doesn't.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2004-06-01 at 21:49:04
Whos DW. :/
I didnt know about half those glitches they fixed. Wheres deathknight when you need him. ><
I didnt know about half those glitches they fixed. Wheres deathknight when you need him. ><
Report, edit, etc...Posted by evolipel on 2004-06-01 at 21:54:01
Deathknight posted above, even though it was about hacks.
DW is a friend of SI, he's the one (as Bolt said) who is doing the trigger editor for SCMDraft. DW said that he'll create the triggers plugin for SCMDraft by the end of this week, though I'm not sure about that...
Yes, it stands for DarkWizzard (with 2 z's) and he's around at various StarCraft modding communities.
Edit: Thx Bold for refreshing my memory
Edit #2: Yeah, it's all fixed now.
DW is a friend of SI, he's the one (as Bolt said) who is doing the trigger editor for SCMDraft. DW said that he'll create the triggers plugin for SCMDraft by the end of this week, though I'm not sure about that...
Yes, it stands for DarkWizzard (with 2 z's) and he's around at various StarCraft modding communities.
Edit: Thx Bold for refreshing my memory
Edit #2: Yeah, it's all fixed now.Report, edit, etc...Posted by (U)Bolt_Head on 2004-06-01 at 22:09:26
DW I think stands for DarkWizard or something. He is the person making the Triggers plugin for SCM Draft.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2004-06-02 at 03:46:12
QUOTE(pcfredz @ Jun 1 2004, 04:37 PM)
Here's the deal about stacking: u stack cannons so more of them shoot, and you don't lose the game by the 2nd level (high templars). But with these Defense maps, pros (like me ) don't stack too much, we make mazes (unlike some newbs that just stack 20 cannons in the center of their squares) so that the critters have to go a longer distance, during which they die! Stacking also eliminates the space, e.g. between pylons so the little zerglings or probes have to walk around as well as big ol' ultras. However, they never thought of simply putting a small unit with range (e.g. marine) inside that space, which practically acts as a cannon without the stacking.
) don't stack too much, we make mazes (unlike some newbs that just stack 20 cannons in the center of their squares) so that the critters have to go a longer distance, during which they die! Stacking also eliminates the space, e.g. between pylons so the little zerglings or probes have to walk around as well as big ol' ultras. However, they never thought of simply putting a small unit with range (e.g. marine) inside that space, which practically acts as a cannon without the stacking. Thats true... But what are going to do about missons that you must kill flying things. You cant make mazes for them. And what if you run out of space for making turrets or whatever... Almost every Defence map in Staredit has the option of stacking...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (U)Bolt_Head on 2004-06-02 at 05:59:47
People will simply start making maps defence maps more like they use to be. It will be alright cause people will think its a whole new idea to have the placement of your buildings a factor in your defence.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by @:@ on 2004-06-02 at 07:50:24
I think silent will have to retract Mathrix's winner defense map for the map making contest now that it is invalid
(The cool part was that you could stack the beacons and they look neat as
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(The cool part was that you could stack the beacons and they look neat as
.)Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2004-06-02 at 09:07:32
Hmmm Bolthead, you said that you could turn off your own vision... well I got into sunken d advanced and took my civ to the "lights off" beacon, no lights went off. EDIT: it seems that map revealers won't unally vision
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2004-06-02 at 11:34:08
So that's the trick - map revealers always give you vision if you own them, no matter what. That's why it works in some defense maps and doesn't work in others. Some maps always have your vision off for yourself and control your view of the field with computer map revealers. You can unvision those, and thus stack, but not your own. But if you own no map revealers it's no problem. Those Blizzard guys are crafty...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2004-06-02 at 12:23:42
QUOTE(evolipel @ Jun 1 2004, 08:54 PM)
I'm not sure but he's the one who commands SI around about SCMDraft.
Ha. Nobody commands SI. ;P
I think blizzard is also gonna have to do something about the placing units in melee trick. For example. A game could be rigged for terran by placing addons everywhere.
And believe it or not this also screws with ladder.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SI on 2004-06-02 at 12:44:06
QUOTE(evolipel @ Jun 1 2004, 08:54 PM)
DW is a friend of SI, I'm not sure but he's the one who commands SI around about SCMDraft. I believe he's at the Sovereign Modding Empire.
WTF are you smoking?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2004-06-02 at 14:30:34
I was wondering that same question.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2004-06-02 at 15:15:45
*Mutters about having all the weird people on his site*
Report, edit, etc...Posted by evolipel on 2004-06-02 at 16:04:35
QUOTE(Suicidal Insanity @ Jun 2 2004, 11:44 AM)
QUOTE(evolipel @ Jun 1 2004, 08:54 PM)
DW is a friend of SI, I'm not sure but he's the one who commands SI around about SCMDraft. I believe he's at the Sovereign Modding Empire.
WTF are you smoking?
Sry SI, you said that he was the one who "wanted" the trigger editor for SCMDraft done. However, (U)Bolt_Head said that he was the one who was actually DOING the trigger editor, and I forgot to edit that part of the post
It's all fixed now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2004-06-02 at 17:29:52
There was no bugs fixed. They were hacks that was fixed. They just didn't want to label it like:
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Fixed hack where a player can heal marines with an SCV.
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Now would you want to just give it to people like that? Besides, hacks only 'exploit' bugs that you can't normally accomplish really. Still, hacks are bad.
btw New 1.11b hacks released... I'm getting my ass on them now. Check the Hack Reports thread when you want to see what they are.
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Fixed hack where a player can heal marines with an SCV.
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Now would you want to just give it to people like that? Besides, hacks only 'exploit' bugs that you can't normally accomplish really. Still, hacks are bad.
btw New 1.11b hacks released... I'm getting my ass on them now. Check the Hack Reports thread when you want to see what they are.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2004-06-05 at 12:24:16
I saw something the other day...I was playing the UlTimate Turret Defence Map and I played it...Yes u can turn off ur vision when i brought the civi to the "Turn Lights off" place and somehow...Was able To stack...O.o..WYrd..
But i also noticed that someone was comlaining that they couldn't stack..
But i also noticed that someone was comlaining that they couldn't stack..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2004-06-05 at 13:58:05
This is old news.
You can stack with terran and protoss, you just can't stack with zerg.
You can stack with terran and protoss, you just can't stack with zerg.