Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stalingrad on 2006-03-11 at 21:24:43
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Dont forget, a fair amount of these things already exist.
Yeah, and they would soar in record numbers if Anarchy was in place.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-03-11 at 21:51:31
Yes America isn't the free country. but, what makes the US best country is the economy and politics based on people's favors although modern capitalism kinda ruins the whole idea. Think. No country will ever be free or it will be rather called the "Utopia" where all people recieve just treatment and same income, which is obviously impossible since all humans have their own greediness in their heart. But lets not get off the topic.
America is as free as it can be without causing troubles.
America is as free as it can be without causing troubles.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (SEN)Dante50 on 2006-03-17 at 01:57:06
And it's pretty obvious of the identity of the people who make us believe that it's free: Bush, and all polititians. And why do I even bother talking about the US government? I'm Canadian. Oh, I forgot 
...it applies here too. 
...it applies here too. Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snipe on 2006-03-17 at 11:11:37
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what do you think about the united states?i think sometimes we aren't free as we thought...yea the United States is a good country to live in, but i sometimes think the government goes too far, setting up more laws/act like 'the no child left behind'...everything we do comes from the federal government, and effects what we do...trying to make people more patriotic on the country, fighting in wars,etc...
anyway, they just put a lot of guidelines or certain things you can do...
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yes, who else would own the united states? Bush doesn't have us under that much of a lock. I belive somthings could be better but if i'm still alive and i'm healthy it don't matter much.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kyuubi. on 2006-03-17 at 15:09:36
it is like one of those contradictory statements where "you can't live with them, and you can't live without them"...the government gets involved with everything they do that effects the people living. like they regulate and allow certain shows that can be on television, clothing, food, almost everything around you comes from the government. even the citizens and populants are happy and healthy, what if they make more laws that effects us?i wouldn't know the effects but it can make some people happy and some will hate it. still about the medicinal drugs issue going on...but anyway i do think the u.s is one of the best countries to live in without much trouble, but having the head of the country being able to do anything he doesn't see fit drags my opinion a little.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-03-17 at 19:47:18
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it is like one of those contradictory statements where "you can't live with them, and you can't live without them"...the government gets involved with everything they do that effects the people living. like they regulate and allow certain shows that can be on television, clothing, food, almost everything around you comes from the government. even the citizens and populants are happy and healthy, what if they make more laws that effects us?i wouldn't know the effects but it can make some people happy and some will hate it. still about the medicinal drugs issue going on...but anyway i do think the u.s is one of the best countries to live in without much trouble, but having the head of the country being able to do anything he doesn't see fit drags my opinion a little.
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He can't do anything he wants. He can pretty much vito anything he dislikes about new proposes to him though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Falcon_A on 2006-03-18 at 00:04:52
Eh, still the most free place I see around on this planet. There's really no more "Wild West"-ish things that you can just go out in the middle of nowhere if you want, build your own house, live by your own rules, etc etc...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-03-18 at 10:12:55
You know what makes my anger burn?
[sarcasm]A flame about this high.[/sarcasm]
Teachers seem to have a right to force us to stand up and do the american 'pledge'.
To some people, it's against their religion, or maybe they're not citizens yet but go to school and are still forced to do it. It's unconstitutional. America does many things that are unconstitutional, mainly noticable by someone in their school years, such as that, or even for possessing something on property. I understand some of these things help keep order amoung idiots in school, but other things, such as the 'pledge' thing are just unneeded and unwanted.
[sarcasm]A flame about this high.[/sarcasm]
Teachers seem to have a right to force us to stand up and do the american 'pledge'.
To some people, it's against their religion, or maybe they're not citizens yet but go to school and are still forced to do it. It's unconstitutional. America does many things that are unconstitutional, mainly noticable by someone in their school years, such as that, or even for possessing something on property. I understand some of these things help keep order amoung idiots in school, but other things, such as the 'pledge' thing are just unneeded and unwanted.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snipe on 2006-03-18 at 14:00:52
I take it back acually. I don't think the US is free. See THere are many forced guidlines and what not. Freedom of Some speech is allowed. But you do have the freedom to look at some files of the government and stuff. I think the US is to controlled to be considered free.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dumbducky on 2006-03-18 at 17:50:36
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Teachers seem to have a right to force us to stand up and do the american 'pledge'.
Your supposed to listen to your teachers. Plus, your an American, so whats the problem?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-03-18 at 18:35:24
Actually your also supposed to challenge authority. Thats what was so great about being american. The right to protest. Plus, he's an american... so? Its his right to not say the pledge. I sure as hell don't. In the words of ones wiser then I. "There is no flag big enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people"
BTW: FYI, you don't have to do the pledge. They cannot force you, nor punish you for not doing it.
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I came across this excerpt from raisethefist.com that has a page talking about iraq... before the war. http://www.raisethefist.com/news.cgi?artic...3223t4a.article
BTW: FYI, you don't have to do the pledge. They cannot force you, nor punish you for not doing it.
ADDITION:
I came across this excerpt from raisethefist.com that has a page talking about iraq... before the war. http://www.raisethefist.com/news.cgi?artic...3223t4a.article
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I keep voicing my opinion on what should be done with Iraq. First of all, americans should stay the fark out of Iraq's political affairs, they've farked it up enough as it is. The last thing Iraq needs are americans telling them what needs to be done to their own country. With that in mind, i'll simply voice my opinion on how I think the standard of living in Iraq could be better. The solution is simple. A revolution. Sadam was put into power by the CIA. The U.S Government did everything possible to prevent Iraq from having a revolution. When Iraq carried out a social revolution, US and BRITAIN lost control over 98% of oil they were controling in that region. The oil companies were nationalized and new rights were won for workings, women, etc. Over all the standard of living in Iraq became better. Following this of course was the installment of Sadam, who later down the line didn't exactly work out as the CIA planned. The Gulf War then followed, with 11 years of US/UN sanctions specificly designed to target the Iraqi people. So far these sanctions have killed 1.5 million Iraqi civilians, almost half, 500,000 which are children. The last thing the united states government wants are Iraqi civilians standing up and taking charge of their own country. Go back to the Gulf War era with daddy bush; encouraging Iraqi's to rise up against Sadam, only to leave them slaughtered and betrayed. It's a commmon tactic of divide and counqure. The U.S is trying to divide the Iraqi people by getting them to side with the united states, but 99% of Iraqi's rather elect a dictator into office then side with the US. What does that tell you? I say the Iraqi's should revolt against Sadam and the US. It's the only way they can rid themselves from US imperialism and determin the destiny of their own lives. It is a very basic human right to have food, clothes, shelter, and yet the US has deliberatly deprived Iraqi's of all these. The US isn't going to make Iraq, or any of the middle-east a more stable region. All we've seen the united states do is destablize and divide this region. It's a common trick; divide and conqure. Iraqi's are perfectly justified in defending themselves against US aggression. They are the ones being targeted, they are the ones dying, they are the ones being effected.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-03-18 at 19:12:57
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Your supposed to listen to your teachers. Plus, your an American, so whats the problem?
If you had said that a month or so ago, I would have needed a gun
.You're not an american unless you're a citizen, and I have lived in america for 4-5 years without being a citizen. Anyway, I'm still loyal to my mother country.
And, as Euro said, why should we listen? I don't want to listen to teachers. Rebellionism is a trait found in many.
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BTW: FYI, you don't have to do the pledge. They cannot force you, nor punish you for not doing it.
I should tell him that next time he tries, then. Teachers here do it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-03-18 at 19:25:42
If I was not a citizen but lived here. I too would be loyal to my mother country more then a country I moved to. Unless of course I moved here out of fear of the mother country. Then I would be more loyal to the US.
Lol that was completely off-topic.
Lol that was completely off-topic.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Vibrator on 2006-03-18 at 23:54:05
Being truely free would be very selfish, if you were you woud have to be infringing on somone else's freedom. For the most part the US laws basically allow you to do whatever you want as long as it doesn't disrupt someone else's right to be free.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-03-19 at 00:15:10
Of course it's free. You can do pretty much anything you want, assuming it doesn't infrindge other people's rights.
Of course, there are a lot of things, just like the pledge, that we are required to do, which may be unconstitutional, but does it really matter? Honestly, you'll live.
Of course, there are a lot of things, just like the pledge, that we are required to do, which may be unconstitutional, but does it really matter? Honestly, you'll live.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kenoli on 2006-03-19 at 01:16:57
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins."
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-03-19 at 04:03:52
actually deathhawk... it does matter. Your probably too young to understand. Infringing on one civil right leads to more infringing. BTW its not a law that you have to do the pledge.
"of course its free" Are you on coke or something? Seriously. Because it says home of the free in the national anthem, don't mean thats what their really sellin'.
So tell me..., how does doing pot in the privacy of your own home infringing on any of your rights? What right am I infringing on if I were to sell beer to underaged kids on the elementary playground? None. Not that I do that or anything but you get the jist...
"of course its free" Are you on coke or something? Seriously. Because it says home of the free in the national anthem, don't mean thats what their really sellin'.
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For the most part the US laws basically allow you to do whatever you want as long as it doesn't disrupt someone else's right to be free.
So tell me..., how does doing pot in the privacy of your own home infringing on any of your rights? What right am I infringing on if I were to sell beer to underaged kids on the elementary playground? None. Not that I do that or anything but you get the jist...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-03-19 at 10:32:02
I'm not saying you can do whatever you want, but it's not like you're forced to do anything in the USA. Alcohol is for people 21 and up for a reason(Where I live, don't know if it's a statewide age.), it's pretty dangerous.
I'm not too young to understand, but seriously, the average US citizen isn't barred from doing much.
My school makes it a rule that we need to do the pledge, but I doubt there is any punishments for not doing it. But whatever, I guess it's not a law.
I'm not too young to understand, but seriously, the average US citizen isn't barred from doing much.
My school makes it a rule that we need to do the pledge, but I doubt there is any punishments for not doing it. But whatever, I guess it's not a law.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-03-19 at 11:10:49
The fact that the school has enough power to force you to do the pledge is proof enough of what I'm saying, is it not? Not a true free country, but close in many respects.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Vibrator on 2006-03-19 at 11:27:16
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So tell me..., how does doing pot in the privacy of your own home infringing on any of your rights? What right am I infringing on if I were to sell beer to underaged kids on the elementary playground? None. Not that I do that or anything but you get the jist...
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Thats because they don't consider children able to make proper decisions for themselves, so if you do anything to them you are choosing for them. I'm not saying that that view is right I'm only saying thats how they see it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dumbducky on 2006-03-19 at 15:16:21
America may not have all freedoms, but can you name a country freer (is that a word?) than America? I can't.
Euro, are you a communist? 'Cause that link you have in your siggy supports the sale of shirts with Lenin and Marx on the front of them.
Euro, are you a communist? 'Cause that link you have in your siggy supports the sale of shirts with Lenin and Marx on the front of them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kyuubi. on 2006-03-19 at 15:54:13
they say that there is freedom in the united states, in the national anthem and in their speeches about the country i would think it is a good free country and so would many other people...but the way they put so many restrictions on what you can do or can't do(not necessary involving criminal actions) and regulate things that effects us in everday life, makes me hesitate on whether they are true to their word...nevertheless the united states is a good free country to live in. i know not many other countries don't offer what the united states has.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2006-03-19 at 20:46:13
You guys can't find any real freedom limiting things in america. Stop listening to your bands and condescending friends. Stop and seriously think about it. You've been acting like a rebel with little or no cause.
Oh no, I can't smoke weed or drink alcohol at 15! This government has everyone enslaved! Down with the government!!!
Start looking at what you freedoms have, instead of what you freedoms don't have. Stop being greedy, and protect what freedoms you still have. Slowly, through time, what you don't have, your children will eventually get. That simple.
Oh no, I can't smoke weed or drink alcohol at 15! This government has everyone enslaved! Down with the government!!!
Start looking at what you freedoms have, instead of what you freedoms don't have. Stop being greedy, and protect what freedoms you still have. Slowly, through time, what you don't have, your children will eventually get. That simple.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2006-03-19 at 23:20:45
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I'd rather be cynical than be a sheep.
That would make you a sheep of the cynics.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-03-20 at 16:56:15
I can be considered communist, yes. What do you have against them?
I am really Libertarian Socialist.
Your not another one of those "The government says they are bad, so they must be!" are you?
I am really Libertarian Socialist.
Your not another one of those "The government says they are bad, so they must be!" are you?