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And where is it today? Over $8,383,000,000,000 in debt, mired in international conflicts, and with a shoestring budget. Really great, right?
Greatness as US citizens? I said we can improve. We aren't trying in the slightest. In the case of impovershed countries, there's not a whole lot they can do without money. Lots of it. Simple welfare issues such as hospitals, housing, and food are more important than a stellar education.
Americans are not successful in college. Americans are successful at running them simply because colleges operate somewhat like businesses: the better a reputation for turning out excellent students, the more people will apply, the higher your tuition can go, and the more money the college administration and faculty makes. Finally at college level in America, the teachers aren't afraid to say: "You don't try, so get out of my class and don't come back."
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Sheesh.. you are quite anti-government, aren't ya?
As of debt, it is expected. The world expects us to patrol the world against the terrorism, although it has been misused by Bush Administration to control oil deposits in Middle East. That isn't our fault. It is the fact that we are the global power that pulls us down and Bush hasn't done such a great job helping the economy.
As of third world countries and their education, I think that it is overexaggerated. If you can give me a better educated society with better school system in America, please tell me... I would really want to know what those countries do to make their country so great.
As of successful college career, the economic focus on entrepreneurship in American market is bringing all these ugly educational motives. People think they can all be millionares by joining a minor league football team, working a McDonalds 18 hours all 7 days with minimum wage, being a successful entrepreneur, or just simply screwing up. In general, Americans learn more in college than Asians do.QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Apr 4 2006, 01:17 PM)
The third world countries are stuck in poverty for the time being. They can't improve that much. We can.
That's what primary schooling means.
Heard of the constant court debates with the school districts trying to teach creationism in school instead of evolution? That's religion.
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I have heard a theory called evolution being taught in class. Which is all a matter of opinion. Creationism isn't teaching anyone about any religion. Its just another view that MANY people believe is how we humans came to be.
Oh and its not to replace anything. Its for added it in when talking about evolution becuase evolution is still not proven yet. It could very well be creationism theory to be correct, we just don't know yet.
Evolution is the theory that is accepted by an overwhelming majority of scientists, and thus what is taught in school.
There is little, if no, proof of crationism that has any scientific merit.
Explain again how teaching creationism as the foundation of life is keeping religion out. Creationism is a belief from religion, with little else to back it besides the Bible.
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Oh and its not to replace anything. Its for added it in when talking about evolution becuase evolution is still not proven yet. It could very well be creationism theory to be correct, we just don't know yet.
There's a difference between saying "Evolution is the generally accepted theory for the origin of humans, but then other people say creationism is right, even though most scientists disagree." and saying "Evolution is a very scetchy theory full of holes, but a lot of people believe in creationism because really I think it makes more sense."
Believe me, they don't teach it like #1 in the schools where there have been court battles.
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Sheesh.. you are quite anti-government, aren't ya?
I'm hardly anti-government or anarchistic. I merely have an extremely low opinion of the current American government, and of the American people as a faceless mass, as they elected the current government.
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The world expects us to patrol the world against the terrorism
The world doesn't expect anything of us. There are few, if any, countries in the world that support our involvement in Iraq as a people. Our marauding around the world, meddling in other countries' affairs has greatly lowered our respect overseas.
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If you can give me a better educated society with better school system in America, please tell me...
Yes, if a kid isn't trying to learn or doesn't seem interested in learning, expel him or put him in a special class for people like him. Screw his self-esteem. Schools are way too soft in most cases; for example a freshman at my high school was found with a butterfly knife in company of people with marijuana (on campus) and wasn't expelled.
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In general, Americans learn more in college than Asians do.
In an American college, Asian students still tend to do better than American ones. QUOTE(Kellimus @ Apr 3 2006, 07:00 AM)
No Child Left Behind.
Speaks for itself.
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Evolution is the theory that is accepted by an overwhelming majority of scientists, and thus what is taught in school.
There is little, if no, proof of crationism that has any scientific merit.
Explain again how teaching creationism as the foundation of life is keeping religion out. Creationism is a belief from religion, with little else to back it besides the Bible.
There's a difference between saying "Evolution is the generally accepted theory for the origin of humans, but then other people say creationism is right, even though most scientists disagree." and saying "Evolution is a very scetchy theory full of holes, but a lot of people believe in creationism because really I think it makes more sense."
Believe me, they don't teach it like #1 in the schools where there have been court battles.
I'm hardly anti-government or anarchistic. I merely have an extremely low opinion of the current American government, and of the American people as a faceless mass, as they elected the current government.
The world doesn't expect anything of us. There are few, if any, countries in the world that support our involvement in Iraq as a people. Our marauding around the world, meddling in other countries' affairs has greatly lowered our respect overseas.
Yes, if a kid isn't trying to learn or doesn't seem interested in learning, expel him or put him in a special class for people like him. Screw his self-esteem. Schools are way too soft in most cases; for example a freshman at my high school was found with a butterfly knife in company of people with marijuana (on campus) and wasn't expelled.
In an American college, Asian students still tend to do better than American ones.
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Im not debating you, you stated "instead". Which the only court hearings I have heard of are the ones involving portions of creatism being added, not taking over.
and Just becuase you and some scientists believe a certian way still doesn't make it the ultimate solution on how we came to be. Hell, a lot of people thought the world was flat.
I personally believe in a mix between evolution theory and creation, but do you get what Im saying?
I get what you're saying, but what I'm saying is that the way creationism and evolution are being presented in these troubled situations are a misrepresentation of the facts. You go to school to learn, and the generally accepted knowledge is what scientists agree on.
You as a teahcer might think the sky is red, but you're not allowed to try to teach the children that.
Around my area, Schools are totally ineffective. I was in public school until forth. Then my mother moved me to home school. The reason why is because they kept passing me when I didn’t need passing. [Honestly I didn’t know how to do cursive until 6th grade =/.]
Zombie: Honestly, who the hell needs cursive? It's messy and cannot be easily read. The only thing it is really used for is signatures.
TheDaddy420: Yes, a lot of people thought the world was flat, and they were wrong. Guess what? More people believe in creationism than in evolution, so by your logic, creationism is wrong. You've killed your own argument.
Now then, TheDaddy420, there is scientific proof towards evolution, yet no scientific proof towards creationism, but people still believe in creationism for inexplicable reasons. People thought the world was flat, though there was scientific proof towards the world being round and not for it being flat. Yet, like creationists, they inexplicably believed the world was flat.
Also, it is not very well that the creationism theory could be correct. Why? THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF. Period. Done. Now, could y'all please shut up about that theory? Now then, there is LOTS OF SCIENTIFIC PROOF for evolution. In fact, it's in life. Two people have a child. The child does not grow up to look exactly like either of the parents. Should evolution be false, the child would look exactly like his parents. But this is not the case.
Should evolution be false, there would be no dog breeds. Look at the large variety of dog breeds. How can this be? Humanity controlled the dog's short-term evolution vigorously. So then, sure, you can believe God controls evolution, I don't care, but you cannot deny evolution.
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Zombie: Honestly, who the hell needs cursive? It's messy and cannot be easily read. The only thing it is really used for is signatures.
I know people who can write in cursive legibly.
Just cause you can't do it, doesn't mean others can't either.
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Zombie: Honestly, who the hell needs cursive? It's messy and cannot be easily read. The only thing it is really used for is signatures.
TheDaddy420: Yes, a lot of people thought the world was flat, and they were wrong. Guess what? More people believe in creationism than in evolution, so by your logic, creationism is wrong. You've killed your own argument.
Now then, TheDaddy420, there is scientific proof towards evolution, yet no scientific proof towards creationism, but people still believe in creationism for inexplicable reasons. People thought the world was flat, though there was scientific proof towards the world being round and not for it being flat. Yet, like creationists, they inexplicably believed the world was flat.
Also, it is not very well that the creationism theory could be correct. Why? THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF. Period. Done. Now, could y'all please shut up about that theory? Now then, there is LOTS OF SCIENTIFIC PROOF for evolution. In fact, it's in life. Two people have a child. The child does not grow up to look exactly like either of the parents. Should evolution be false, the child would look exactly like his parents. But this is not the case.
Should evolution be false, there would be no dog breeds. Look at the large variety of dog breeds. How can this be? Humanity controlled the dog's short-term evolution vigorously. So then, sure, you can believe God controls evolution, I don't care, but you cannot deny evolution.
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More like you took my arguement that i never had nor ever stated and even stating Im not debating anything, and twisted it to work for you.
What am I argueing here? Nothing, you just assumed the worse.
No, actually. You worded your argument for creationism carefully so that it would sound semi-neutral, and worded your argument that "lots of people thought the world was flat and they were wrong" carefully enough, so that in context you are comparing evolutionists to people who believe in the world being flat.
You're not fooling me, ok? And if you aren't debating anything, get the hell out.
Snake, haha you are over analyzing the situation
I still now and then have not debated anyone, but merely added to the theme of this thread.
And never think you are clever and never tell me what to do please thanks
So you blame me for twisting you words and "over-analyzing" the situation, and tell me not to tell you what to do?
Let's see, over-analyzing the situation is actually GOOD? The more you analyze the situation, the better you know how to respond and the better an argument you can produce. Hypocrisy in your response? Let's see, I think you over-analyzed the situation and, instead of responding to me, you insulted me with "don't think you're clever". Seriously, maybe YOU shouldn't think YOU'RE clever if that's all you can say? Seriously, next time, please understand the concept of "punctuation". It can make you look more intelligent, because in the sentence you disguise a comment that means "you're not clever", you do not use punctuation. So, you say I'm not too smart, yet you fail to use punctuation. Plus, you aren't clever, because you're forced to space out your clauses and one sentence so that it looks bigger and more intelligent, when, in fact, you have not much to say, and little to add. And then you tell me, not to tell you what to do? You told me to do two things. I smell--*sniff sniff*--hypocrisy!
Does it seem that Chris is being attacked wherever he goes...?
Whats the only unchanging veriable in all of these attacks...? Chris?
If you have an IQ higher then 30, you know what I'm talking about.
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So you blame me for twisting you words and "over-analyzing" the situation, and tell me not to tell you what to do?
Let's see, over-analyzing the situation is actually GOOD? The more you analyze the situation, the better you know how to respond and the better an argument you can produce. Hypocrisy in your response? Let's see, I think you over-analyzed the situation and, instead of responding to me, you insulted me with "don't think you're clever". Seriously, maybe YOU shouldn't think YOU'RE clever if that's all you can say? Seriously, next time, please understand the concept of "punctuation". It can make you look more intelligent, because in the sentence you disguise a comment that means "you're not clever", you do not use punctuation. So, you say I'm not too smart, yet you fail to use punctuation. Plus, you aren't clever, because you're forced to space out your clauses and one sentence so that it looks bigger and more intelligent, when, in fact, you have not much to say, and little to add. And then you tell me, not to tell you what to do? You told me to do two things. I smell--*sniff sniff*--hypocrisy!
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Snake, stop spaming and get back on topic. I will tell you what to do when you start acting like an 8 year old. Get back on topic.
And Im not being graded when I go online, I don't worry about how my spelling and punctuation is. I come home from studying and all I want to do is relax, and have no worries and not you or any other nerd is going to give me crap about it.
now back on topic.
American schools depend on where you live, higher income areas usually have nice schools where lower income produce lower status schools.
Yes, I think America's education is sufficient. Most other countries have less sufficient education systems then America. So keep that in mind.
America's education is sufficient, but it is not effective. For example, the fact that in the seventh grade, "sentences" are being written without any verbs. In fact, look at this website. Please, note the large number of simple mistakes. A lack of a period here, a massive post without any spaces indicating paragraphs there, or blobs of text which and incoherent due to masses of grammar and/or spelling errors. Note how a large number of people here are American.
So, a large number of Americans, and a large number of mistakes. There's a connection between the two memes, you know.
There's a difference between not knowing your grammar and typing with two fingers so fast you hit the key next to the one you mean to or hit a few keys in the wrong order or miss a key.
Then why come in here and spam to get minerals then hu? If you have no opinion, then don't even post at all. Jesus christ!
Like I stated before: No Child Left Behind.
Sure. It may be better in the long run, but right now, it's not.
i think the fact that america is a rich & progressive country tells taht it has a good education system.
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Yes, if a kid isn't trying to learn or doesn't seem interested in learning, expel him or put him in a special class for people like him. Screw his self-esteem. Schools are way too soft in most cases; for example a freshman at my high school was found with a butterfly knife in company of people with marijuana (on campus) and wasn't expelled.
I just hate this quote. This is just an example of weeding out the weak. The point of education is to make people more knowledgeable and smarter and help society. I have tons of people in my class that don't want to learn, but they won't hurt society in the end. You are breaking bits of society away just to overglorify the stronger parts of society, the smart ones. If you are talking people that will have a total net negative effect on society, just as the bullies or complete morons, I'm fine with expelling them.
If I agree with you then why not just shoot every delinquent to death. Even people are a harm to others more than a help, the world isn't absolute technical place. Moral does not register a number in what is right and wrong defined by technicality.
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[color=#b5b5ff]And where is it today? Over $8,383,000,000,000 in debt, mired in international conflicts, and with a shoestring budget. Really great, right?
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What about all the good things that come from intelligence from the "American" school system.
It's not weeding out the weak, it's weeding out the people who don't want to learn. If he paid attention during class, did his work, yet wasn't good at it, he can get accomedations like being moved down to an easier class.
There are ways to help people that aren't good at a certain thing in school. But if they don't care, they're just slowing down everybody.
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It's not weeding out the weak, it's weeding out the people who don't want to learn. If he paid attention during class, did his work, yet wasn't good at it, he can get accomedations like being moved down to an easier class.
There are ways to help people that aren't good at a certain thing in school. But if they don't care, they're just slowing down everybody.
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i agree. if you try but don't understand something it's OK. but if you don't even try taht's bad.
I agree with DTBK on almost all fronts.
The current system is holding back those with potential all for the sake for the pathetic self esteem of pathetic biological life forms who have no chance to help the world anyhow and limiting the options of those who could really do something good or at least enjoy life.
If you still want to educate them to raise them above the dirt on which they walk, I don't mind and encourage it, but don't hold back others.
America seperates the classes a bit in k-12, mainly in honors/regular classes, but it's not enough, in my opinion. Seperate them into a few more categories. Even in my honors class, if
all of the students understood everything as fast as I did (not a boast) we would be going twice as fast and we wouldn't be behind a few months in some classes (mainly Social Studies/History, our teacher was on Jury Duty for 1 month and we are one month behind, and he's slow anyway), and moving on would be much easier.
The 'No Child Left Behind' is, if I may, complete BS, meant to convince the parents that their child will, indeed, be a successful and happy person later in life. It slows down the progress of those who want to go faster. If you still don't understand what I'm saying, here's an example:
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You're on a bus to somewhere, traveling, when suddenly a man starts running after the bus and trying to get on. The bus slows down to get on. Everyone already on the bus now has to wait for that person to get ready
The U.S. Government could put a lot more work into the k-12, but because of stupid politicians it's all a dream.