Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-04-03 at 22:21:41
I'd rather just have all of their members come over here. I don;t want anything to really change.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by AK47 on 2006-04-03 at 22:22:14
If a merger would bring an end to the Google ads, then I'm for it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2006-04-03 at 22:47:57
I stand by this topic from the past: http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopi...549&hl=warcraft
I would only support a takeover, not a merger, and removing all nonstarcraft related things.
I would only support a takeover, not a merger, and removing all nonstarcraft related things.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)MinigameEast on 2006-04-03 at 22:48:31
if there was going to be a merge. why dont they just merge the stuff that is only starcraft.
question to IP! make a list.
what are the good things and the bad things about merging with CC?
what new things will come with the merge?
will there be a contract or an agreement to the merge so you wont get cheated off or get sued?
question to IP! make a list.
what are the good things and the bad things about merging with CC?
what new things will come with the merge?
will there be a contract or an agreement to the merge so you wont get cheated off or get sued?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-04-04 at 16:02:12
SEN is SEN and a merger would change it into not being SEN. If we assimilated them into our skin and under our banner, however, that wouldn't be so bad.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-04-04 at 17:47:53
I'm all for a situation in which we absorb CC, adding good members to our lists and getting a lot more good map makers.
On the other hand, CC will probably want a 50-50 merge, not something like 80-20, so that's probably not a possibility. Also, as stated before, CC includes WCIII things, and I doubt they'll give it up.
There are a few things we can do that should appeal to both sides; maybe add as partners and maybe post direct links from one site to another, but unless CC is ready to be 'absorbed' I don't know how this can work out. Mind you, I do not mean absorbed in a negative way or anything. Maybe something like SEN admins + CC admins - WCIII = SEN II/SENCC
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Oh, and by the way, from what I know, it's not amoeba, it's ameba.
I always thought it's amoeba as well until we went over them in science class and everyone wrote them ameba (including teacher).
On the other hand, CC will probably want a 50-50 merge, not something like 80-20, so that's probably not a possibility. Also, as stated before, CC includes WCIII things, and I doubt they'll give it up.
There are a few things we can do that should appeal to both sides; maybe add as partners and maybe post direct links from one site to another, but unless CC is ready to be 'absorbed' I don't know how this can work out. Mind you, I do not mean absorbed in a negative way or anything. Maybe something like SEN admins + CC admins - WCIII = SEN II/SENCC
.Oh, and by the way, from what I know, it's not amoeba, it's ameba.
I always thought it's amoeba as well until we went over them in science class and everyone wrote them ameba (including teacher).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2006-04-04 at 18:09:46
According to dictionary.com, ameba is just a spelling variant of amoeba. [/offtopic]
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-04-04 at 18:12:37
Oh, so I wasn't completely wrong. Nvm, then.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2006-04-04 at 18:59:03
I'm currently also taking part in the discussion for the merging between SEN, Campaign Creations, Star Alliance, Sovergeing Modding Empire, Starcraft Millennium and Stormcoast Fortress.
I still have about 70 more posts to read before I'll attempt to write my first post in the discussion, but I'll make sure to keep you all informed on any major things that I feel I really do need to work out with my fellow Community.
I'll also probably be asking you guys along the way.
I still have about 70 more posts to read before I'll attempt to write my first post in the discussion, but I'll make sure to keep you all informed on any major things that I feel I really do need to work out with my fellow Community.
I'll also probably be asking you guys along the way.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)MinigameEast on 2006-04-04 at 19:23:40
if your going to merge with them with the warcaft. just make a linked button that says warcraft or just make a big picture.
also it can be 50/50. we take care of starcraft and if they like warcraft so much they can just let then control the warcraft side.
also it can be 50/50. we take care of starcraft and if they like warcraft so much they can just let then control the warcraft side.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dumbducky on 2006-04-04 at 19:25:45
We could make it three main forums: Starcraft, warcraft, and other (null).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2006-04-04 at 19:29:46
The merge would most likely consist of new sites. One for starcraft, one for warcraft, one for WoW, etc.
No one wants to loose their identity by themselves, so absorbation probably wouldn't work (even though I root for it)
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No one wants to loose their identity by themselves, so absorbation probably wouldn't work (even though I root for it)
.Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2006-04-04 at 19:36:07
The first thing to take notice is not the Warcraft section, as that is the easiest to separate, but Starcraft itself.
There are talks of similarly doing what SeN has done, having UMS, Melee and Mods sections. In this case, we would have: UMS, Melee, Mods, Campaigns and Programming. Warcraft and WoW, yes, there are talks about WoW, being another complete division, but with shared databases.
Still got 20ish posts to read, I'll be going to eat and then finish up my work.
A few major points:
The site merging will most likely occur in 3 major phases, it will not be a "Let's dump everything into 1 site"
Having all Staff from all sites won't happen. There will most likely be an election among all Staff members, to elect a new Staff. The general idea in SeN terms is this:
Administrators - The current webmasters of the sites
Global Moderators - The current community managers (as myself)
DLDB Keepers - Same job as SeN, only with added areas, could be "Content Keepers"
Tutorials Keepers - Will most likely be merged with DLDB Keepers, could be "Content Keepers"
Section Leaders - Experts in each field (UMS, Melee, etc...)
Chances are, that it'll be a merge and not a site absortion. Meaning that most possibly, all sites will forum up under a new name.
IE: CC won't immigrate into SeN
Note: I've only read until the posts of March 29, which means that somethings might've changed. All this content is subject to change during the discussion.
There are talks of similarly doing what SeN has done, having UMS, Melee and Mods sections. In this case, we would have: UMS, Melee, Mods, Campaigns and Programming. Warcraft and WoW, yes, there are talks about WoW, being another complete division, but with shared databases.
Still got 20ish posts to read, I'll be going to eat and then finish up my work.
A few major points:
The site merging will most likely occur in 3 major phases, it will not be a "Let's dump everything into 1 site"
Having all Staff from all sites won't happen. There will most likely be an election among all Staff members, to elect a new Staff. The general idea in SeN terms is this:
Administrators - The current webmasters of the sites
Global Moderators - The current community managers (as myself)
DLDB Keepers - Same job as SeN, only with added areas, could be "Content Keepers"
Tutorials Keepers - Will most likely be merged with DLDB Keepers, could be "Content Keepers"
Section Leaders - Experts in each field (UMS, Melee, etc...)
Chances are, that it'll be a merge and not a site absortion. Meaning that most possibly, all sites will forum up under a new name.
IE: CC won't immigrate into SeN
Note: I've only read until the posts of March 29, which means that somethings might've changed. All this content is subject to change during the discussion.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-04-04 at 19:39:27
QUOTE(IsolatedPurity @ Apr 4 2006, 06:29 PM)
The merge would most likely consist of new sites. One for starcraft, one for warcraft, one for WoW, etc.
No one wants to loose their identity by themselves, so absorbation probably wouldn't work (even though I root for it).
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No one wants to loose their identity by themselves, so absorbation probably wouldn't work (even though I root for it)
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So, what that's like 9 votes for the amoeba? And one spellnig variant... Profound.
And how would we lose our identities... We're all so... Distinct. Especially IP. But especially me.
Honesty, what sounds better.
SEAN - stareditamoeba.net
Or...
SECCSASMESMSFN - stareditcampaigncreationsstaralliancesovergeingmoddingempirestarcraftmilleniumstormcoastfortress.net
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2006-04-04 at 19:42:37
If we are going to reform under a new site, then I am strongly against it. CC is absorbed into SEN, or SEN remains independent, no alternatives. We must keep the unique identity of SEN.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2006-04-04 at 19:59:59
^- Even if this new site was stronger and better than all of us combined? Somewhere where all Starcraft players can unite? Leaving other sites not in this merger to decay in their shadowed starcraft sectors?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)MinigameEast on 2006-04-04 at 20:04:34
what identities? its just an account name. right about now someone would go register under my name and then it will show up on google.
a good website name would be. www.starcraftevolution.net
a good website name would be. www.starcraftevolution.net
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2006-04-04 at 20:06:06
QUOTE(IsolatedPurity @ Apr 4 2006, 07:59 PM)
^- Even if this new site was stronger and better than all of us combined? Somewhere where all Starcraft players can unite? Leaving other sites not in this merger to decay in their shadowed starcraft sectors?
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Yes. I feel that the cost of such a merger would be too high. I can see benefits to it as well, but I just don't think the benefits outweigh the losses.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2006-04-04 at 20:14:25
Basically, the merger was initially thought of because almost all major SC sites are in decay. Having separate members, projects and the likes would only make the matters worse. The only site that is still going quite strong is SeN.
But SeN has a very big weakness and it is that it has very little room into which to expand into. We barely have a programming and campaign community. Starcraft is 8 years old now, and a lot of people are loosing interest in it. There is very little room for individual site growth, as opposed to the old days.
Merging all these sites brings the Starcraft Content Making community as a whole, no more divisions amongst ourselves.
There aren't much loses to be seen in such a merging. Yes, we loose Staredit.net, but that would be replaced by something else, new friends and workers would come along with new content.
Admins and Staff would have the hardest time, since there's extensive coding, rule creating and comunity managing to be done, but the members don't really loose that much besides a few clicks and a new web address.
But SeN has a very big weakness and it is that it has very little room into which to expand into. We barely have a programming and campaign community. Starcraft is 8 years old now, and a lot of people are loosing interest in it. There is very little room for individual site growth, as opposed to the old days.
Merging all these sites brings the Starcraft Content Making community as a whole, no more divisions amongst ourselves.
There aren't much loses to be seen in such a merging. Yes, we loose Staredit.net, but that would be replaced by something else, new friends and workers would come along with new content.
Admins and Staff would have the hardest time, since there's extensive coding, rule creating and comunity managing to be done, but the members don't really loose that much besides a few clicks and a new web address.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by AK47 on 2006-04-04 at 20:21:09
Well, you could just make more staff members. Hint hint. But I only been here like 1 day. So what do I know?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)MinigameEast on 2006-04-04 at 20:22:38
QUOTE(BeeR_KeG @ Apr 4 2006, 07:14 PM)
Basically, the merger was initially thought of because almost all major SC sites are in decay. Having separate members, projects and the likes would only make the matters worse. The only site that is still going quite strong is SeN.
But SeN has a very big weakness and it is that it has very little room into which to expand into. We barely have a programming and campaign community. Starcraft is 8 years old now, and a lot of people are loosing interest in it. There is very little room for individual site growth, as opposed to the old days.
Merging all these sites brings the Starcraft Content Making community as a whole, no more divisions amongst ourselves.
There aren't much loses to be seen in such a merging. Yes, we loose Staredit.net, but that would be replaced by something else, new friends and workers would come along with new content.
Admins and Staff would have the hardest time, since there's extensive coding, rule creating and comunity managing to be done, but the members don't really loose that much besides a few clicks and a new web address.
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But SeN has a very big weakness and it is that it has very little room into which to expand into. We barely have a programming and campaign community. Starcraft is 8 years old now, and a lot of people are loosing interest in it. There is very little room for individual site growth, as opposed to the old days.
Merging all these sites brings the Starcraft Content Making community as a whole, no more divisions amongst ourselves.
There aren't much loses to be seen in such a merging. Yes, we loose Staredit.net, but that would be replaced by something else, new friends and workers would come along with new content.
Admins and Staff would have the hardest time, since there's extensive coding, rule creating and comunity managing to be done, but the members don't really loose that much besides a few clicks and a new web address.
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so what your saying is that we all should combine most of the websites into one beucase its not worth having small individual sites that is mostly inactivity.
also i think that which ever is the most active website should be top dog. since Ip is paying the website and making the decision and helping other people out. i think we should just keep the name staredit.net.
really! who wants to pay a website that barly has members and activity. surely i wont. it would really suck if we have to change everything up including Ip new project SeN v.5. i know that site would kick more ass than the others.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-04-04 at 20:25:37
I'm pretty sure that SEN is the most active, and best Starcraft mapmaking site, out of all of those..
Do they know that?
Do they know that?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Urmom(U) on 2006-04-04 at 20:36:07
I'm not quite sure how this would benefit SEN very much. I haven't visited CampaignCreations recently but from what I've heard, they haven't been doing so well as in the past. If all of the other sites are dieing, how would we know that they would do better with SEN? They might just continue to sit and rot. If we were to merge the sites together, I would just add the new members and a couple forums, because I doubt that the old pages would be brought back to life just from being better assosiated with SEN.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2006-04-04 at 20:44:26
QUOTE(Mp)MinigameEast @ Apr 4 2006, 08:22 PM)
so what your saying is that we all should combine most of the websites into one beucase its not worth having small individual sites that is mostly inactivity.
also i think that which ever is the most active website should be top dog. since Ip is paying the website and making the decision and helping other people out. i think we should just keep the name staredit.net.
really! who wants to pay a website that barly has members and activity. surely i wont. it would really suck if we have to change everything up including Ip new project SeN v.5. i know that site would kick more ass than the others.
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also i think that which ever is the most active website should be top dog. since Ip is paying the website and making the decision and helping other people out. i think we should just keep the name staredit.net.
really! who wants to pay a website that barly has members and activity. surely i wont. it would really suck if we have to change everything up including Ip new project SeN v.5. i know that site would kick more ass than the others.
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Do remember that other administrators are paying for their sites as well. Chances are that this new site would be paid in conjunction of all the people who pay.
These small, not so active as SeN, sites could bring in much more members and content than you think. They are all experts in fields that SeN truly isn't as competitive or that SeN just doesn't have.
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I'm pretty sure that SEN is the most active, and best Starcraft mapmaking site, out of all of those..
Do they know that?
Do they know that?
Yes, that is being taken highly into consideration. There are talks that bring in experts from other sites in fields that SeN does not excell on, would spark new projects and bring more life to Starcraft.
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I'm not quite sure how this would benefit SEN very much. I haven't visited CampaignCreations recently but from what I've heard, they haven't been doing so well as in the past. If all of the other sites are dieing, how would we know that they would do better with SEN? They might just continue to sit and rot. If we were to merge the sites together, I would just add the new members and a couple forums, because I doubt that the old pages would be brought back to life just from being better assosiated with SEN.
We haven't really reached into those details yet.
Here is the reply I made to them:
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Finally, I've read through every single post in this forum.
Anyways, I'd like to introduce myself to you people before I make my statements, if not, I'd feel like if I'm a stranger to all of you.
I currently hold the position of Global Moderator and Downloads Database Keeper at SeN. Most people consider me as one of the biggest, if not the biggest, figures at SeN. I'm generally considered as a Community Manager, because most of the jobs that I do, tend to be aimed towards improving and managing the Community as a whole at SeN. I've been a part of SeN since July 2004, and ever since October 2004, I've been part of the Staff. I know HTML and CSS and to some extent, PHP, but I'll leave the coding to isolated and the rest of you.
I'm going to be taking great part in these site merging disscussions along with the Community I'm here to represent. Let me explain myself here, I'll be consulting the SeN Community in many of my statements, and when I can, I'll be regularly posting about what is happening in here, but without going into details. Don't be surprised if you find yourself quoted at SeN.
My job in here is different than IsolatedPurity's. He is here as a webmaster and coder, while myself, on the other hand, am here to see that the best actions are taken for the better of all sites.
I'm only going to post a very general idea about what I think should be done, after reading all your posts. I won't be setting an arguement with you, just plotting my ideas.
I'm in favor of all of these sites represented here to merge. No need to go right now into why I want to merge.
I think that a total merge between the sites is the best way to go, meaning that in the end, all sites will be under a new banner and name, and in the end, being one larger site. I do think that this merging should be done in gradual steps that won't overwhelm the communities of each site that's participating.
Now let's go into how the site will be composed. I'm into having one database for the whole site, meaning that Warcraft, Starcraft, WoW and any other game would share the same Downloads Database, Tutorials, Forums, etc... But, there will be major divisions among the site. Starcraft will have it's own section, so would Warcraft and any other game. A good example would be the Planet Network and Starcraft.org. Now inside each game section, we would have sub-divisions. These sub-divisions could be done in a way similar to the way that SeN has divided UMS, Melee and mod sections, but of course, Campaigns and Programming would be included in Starcraft.
Now, the coding system to be done could be created from scratch by the experts in the field, but I'd suggest using the current engine that SeNv5 is being built upon. We already have an excellent base being worked upon, why not start modifying it and adding to it to meet our needs?
For who will be leading this new site when it's created and running? I'm suggesting in dividing the leaders and people running the site into this:
Administration - Site coders and those who pay for the site
Community Managers - Also known as "Global Moderators", these people will lead and form the new Community, they actively take part in daily posting, take suggestions from members and settle down issues with members. It is necessary for these people to have excellent Public Relations skills and be able to think through both sides of the curtain.
Content Managers - Basically, the experts in each field.
This is how the Staff could be structured, it could be further divided upon, but as I said, I'm going to keep this post very general. Now I don't think that we need "requirements" in content creation by the Staff. For example: I myself do not currently play Starcraft, but I do take part in managing a very large community and I can still move it's general direction.
Anyways, I'd like to introduce myself to you people before I make my statements, if not, I'd feel like if I'm a stranger to all of you.
I currently hold the position of Global Moderator and Downloads Database Keeper at SeN. Most people consider me as one of the biggest, if not the biggest, figures at SeN. I'm generally considered as a Community Manager, because most of the jobs that I do, tend to be aimed towards improving and managing the Community as a whole at SeN. I've been a part of SeN since July 2004, and ever since October 2004, I've been part of the Staff. I know HTML and CSS and to some extent, PHP, but I'll leave the coding to isolated and the rest of you.
I'm going to be taking great part in these site merging disscussions along with the Community I'm here to represent. Let me explain myself here, I'll be consulting the SeN Community in many of my statements, and when I can, I'll be regularly posting about what is happening in here, but without going into details. Don't be surprised if you find yourself quoted at SeN.
My job in here is different than IsolatedPurity's. He is here as a webmaster and coder, while myself, on the other hand, am here to see that the best actions are taken for the better of all sites.
I'm only going to post a very general idea about what I think should be done, after reading all your posts. I won't be setting an arguement with you, just plotting my ideas.
I'm in favor of all of these sites represented here to merge. No need to go right now into why I want to merge.
I think that a total merge between the sites is the best way to go, meaning that in the end, all sites will be under a new banner and name, and in the end, being one larger site. I do think that this merging should be done in gradual steps that won't overwhelm the communities of each site that's participating.
Now let's go into how the site will be composed. I'm into having one database for the whole site, meaning that Warcraft, Starcraft, WoW and any other game would share the same Downloads Database, Tutorials, Forums, etc... But, there will be major divisions among the site. Starcraft will have it's own section, so would Warcraft and any other game. A good example would be the Planet Network and Starcraft.org. Now inside each game section, we would have sub-divisions. These sub-divisions could be done in a way similar to the way that SeN has divided UMS, Melee and mod sections, but of course, Campaigns and Programming would be included in Starcraft.
Now, the coding system to be done could be created from scratch by the experts in the field, but I'd suggest using the current engine that SeNv5 is being built upon. We already have an excellent base being worked upon, why not start modifying it and adding to it to meet our needs?
For who will be leading this new site when it's created and running? I'm suggesting in dividing the leaders and people running the site into this:
Administration - Site coders and those who pay for the site
Community Managers - Also known as "Global Moderators", these people will lead and form the new Community, they actively take part in daily posting, take suggestions from members and settle down issues with members. It is necessary for these people to have excellent Public Relations skills and be able to think through both sides of the curtain.
Content Managers - Basically, the experts in each field.
This is how the Staff could be structured, it could be further divided upon, but as I said, I'm going to keep this post very general. Now I don't think that we need "requirements" in content creation by the Staff. For example: I myself do not currently play Starcraft, but I do take part in managing a very large community and I can still move it's general direction.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)MinigameEast on 2006-04-04 at 20:46:35
QUOTE(urmom @ Apr 4 2006, 07:35 PM)
I'm not quite sure how this would benefit SEN very much. I haven't visited CampaignCreations recently but from what I've heard, they haven't been doing so well as in the past. If all of the other sites are dieing, how would we know that they would do better with SEN? They might just continue to sit and rot. If we were to merge the sites together, I would just add the new members and a couple forums, because I doubt that the old pages would be brought back to life just from being better assosiated with SEN.
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isnt that why the moderators are discussing about this? i wouldnt merge with people that i wouldnt really know about unless there is a contract involved.
a good way to anti-rot and may save some bandwith. if your inactive for about half a year or so just delete the account. may sound harsh but do you really want an account sitting there for 2 years and havent been used since?