Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-04-10 at 04:01:10
QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Apr 9 2006, 10:44 PM)
So you believe every single Zoo on this earth is run at high standards, and there are no bad zoos that do not take good care of their animals?
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No, I don't belvie ALL Zoo's are ran that way, buy any that are run badly will be shutdown (Obviously).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-04-10 at 05:06:58
QUOTE(Zombie @ Apr 10 2006, 11:00 AM)
No, I don't belvie ALL Zoo's are ran that way, buy any that are run badly will be shutdown (Obviously).
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who will shut them down in poor countries ? the goverment ?(good luck, the goverment is either corrupted either has to many problems besides those Zoo's) the people ?(good luck again, they have more their own problems to solve)
everything is getting deserted slowly in poor countries & you know, when a good factory is getting deserted the factory's owner won't knock it down or close it, he will try to do something, yet useless OR somebody who has money will buy it.
but who will buy a zoo in a poor country ? no profit from it since the country is poor & there are not many tourists
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-04-10 at 16:09:59
QUOTE(Jammed @ Apr 10 2006, 04:06 AM)
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They can just leave. Ever heard of an Abandon Building? And still if it's a poor Zoo then they probably have some cats and dogs, maybe a bird. Nothing that people will really care about.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-04-10 at 16:14:34
QUOTE(Jammed @ Apr 10 2006, 02:06 AM)
who will shut them down in poor countries ? the goverment ?(good luck, the goverment is either corrupted either has to many problems besides those Zoo's) the people ?(good luck again, they have more their own problems to solve)
everything is getting deserted slowly in poor countries & you know, when a good factory is getting deserted the factory's owner won't knock it down or close it, he will try to do something, yet useless OR somebody who has money will buy it.
but who will buy a zoo in a poor country ? no profit from it since the country is poor & there are not many tourists
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everything is getting deserted slowly in poor countries & you know, when a good factory is getting deserted the factory's owner won't knock it down or close it, he will try to do something, yet useless OR somebody who has money will buy it.
but who will buy a zoo in a poor country ? no profit from it since the country is poor & there are not many tourists
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Uh, actually people who care about animales will. Thats number one. Also they special inspecters that actually check the zoo's. Like restruants. If it's a poor country then well obviously they wont have any animales anyone would care about so, point proven.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2006-04-10 at 16:54:07
There are no zoos in poor countries because of the distinct lack of people who have the leisure time or money to visit them.
The only zoos in poor countries are there for the tourists - and with all that tourist money, they're pretty rich and can afford to keep their animals in decent conditions.
The only zoos in poor countries are there for the tourists - and with all that tourist money, they're pretty rich and can afford to keep their animals in decent conditions.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-04-10 at 18:15:37
QUOTE(Zombie @ Apr 10 2006, 12:14 PM)
Uh, actually people who care about animales will. Thats number one. Also they special inspecters that actually check the zoo's. Like restruants. If it's a poor country then well obviously they wont have any animales anyone would care about so, point proven.
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err not always, and thats a pretty bold statement.
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More than half the world's zoos "are still in bad conditions" and treating chimpanzees poorly, according to renowned chimpanzee expert Jane Goodall.
http://www.ijms-wildlife.co.uk/zoos.html
Yea so Im not saying zoos are bad. I am just saying there are many zoos that do not treat their animals as they say they do.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-04-11 at 03:49:36
QUOTE(Zombie @ Apr 10 2006, 11:14 PM)
Uh, actually people who care about animales will. Thats number one. Also they special inspecters that actually check the zoo's. Like restruants. If it's a poor country then well obviously they wont have any animales anyone would care about so, point proven.
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yeah, there are people who care about animals. but most of them are not politically or societivly active. they just sit at home & say "oh well, we have bad zoo's, but what can i do?". the only thing that they CAn do is get the attention of the press & public to this problem, like in thedaddy's posted web-site link.
inspecters... ok, you're an inspecter in a bad zoo. you tell: "you have bad conditions for animals!". but what else can you do? to have good zoos you need to have money. only greenpeace would give money for zoo's. who else ? US with it's war in Iraq ? france with it's inner political problems ? germany with masses who have no work ?
i'm not saying "so poor that people have nothing to eat country". i mean something on the level of russia.
corruption, indifference, & economical problems made it possible zombie.
i don't thing that theDaddy faked those pictures on that website.
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QUOTE(CaptainWill @ Apr 10 2006, 11:53 PM)
The only zoos in poor countries are there for the tourists - and with all that tourist money, they're pretty rich and can afford to keep their animals in decent conditions.
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you're right about this one, but you forgotten 1 point.
for example: a country gets more tourists, economy rises, zoo's are built to attract more tourists. but then, something happens (crisis, war, something that spoils economy) & allthose zoo's are not closed at one time. they slowly get deserted, becawse lack of money. & that period between the beggining of economical problems & colsing of the zoo is that period when the zoo provides bad conditions. becawse the owner of the zoo won't close it when the crisis starts saying "oh, i have no chance", he will try to run it as long as possible.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-04-11 at 04:00:32
QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Apr 10 2006, 03:15 PM)
err not always, and thats a pretty bold statement.
http://www.ijms-wildlife.co.uk/zoos.html
Yea so Im not saying zoos are bad. I am just saying there are many zoos that do not treat their animals as they say they do.
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Yea so Im not saying zoos are bad. I am just saying there are many zoos that do not treat their animals as they say they do.
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Maybe not always, but there are how many people in the world?
QUOTE(Jammed @ Apr 11 2006, 12:49 AM)
yeah, there are people who care about animals. but most of them are not politically or societivly active. they just sit at home & say "oh well, we have bad zoo's, but what can i do?". the only thing that they CAn do is get the attention of the press & public to this problem, like in thedaddy's posted web-site link.
inspecters... ok, you're an inspecter in a bad zoo. you tell: "you have bad conditions for animals!". but what else can you do? to have good zoos you need to have money. only greenpeace would give money for zoo's. who else ? US with it's war in Iraq ? france with it's inner political problems ? germany with masses who have no work ?
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inspecters... ok, you're an inspecter in a bad zoo. you tell: "you have bad conditions for animals!". but what else can you do? to have good zoos you need to have money. only greenpeace would give money for zoo's. who else ? US with it's war in Iraq ? france with it's inner political problems ? germany with masses who have no work ?
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Um, you need to think logically here, Did you read the entire article he posted? Also inspecters can shut them down, Obviously? Doesnt take a genius to figure that out.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-04-11 at 04:20:23
QUOTE(Zombie @ Apr 11 2006, 11:00 AM)
Maybe not always, but there are how many people in the world?
Um, you need to think logically here, Did you read the entire article he posted? Also inspecters can shut them down, Obviously? Doesnt take a genius to figure that out.
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Um, you need to think logically here, Did you read the entire article he posted? Also inspecters can shut them down, Obviously? Doesnt take a genius to figure that out.
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think about corrupition & indifference to understand how inspecters will not shut them down
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-04-11 at 04:56:10
QUOTE(Jammed @ Apr 11 2006, 01:20 AM)
think about corrupition & indifference to understand how inspecters will not shut them down
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Listen, you need to learn to spell before you come in a serious discussion, I mean really. But thats besdies the point.
Corruption? I don't think so, I highly doupt that ever happens to a zoo inspecter. Stop watching TV.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-04-11 at 05:07:21
have you come ehre to discuss spelling ? let's see how u will spell on my language 
"stop watching TV" - i know of corruption cuz i'm russian, don't teach me about corruption
it's everywhere where is not enough controll over people - poor countries
"stop watching TV" - i know of corruption cuz i'm russian, don't teach me about corruption
it's everywhere where is not enough controll over people - poor countriesReport, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-04-11 at 05:11:44
QUOTE(Jammed @ Apr 11 2006, 02:06 AM)
have you come ehre to discuss spelling ? let's see how u will spell on my language
"stop watching TV" - i know of corruption cuz i'm russian, don't teach me about corruption it's everywhere where is not enough controll over people - poor countries
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I live in Germany dude and I spell better than you.
Yes, stop watching TV, I don’t care if you live in Iraq, you don’t even have to know about corruption to think logically. I highly doubt that in any time that someone will “corrupt” a zoo inspector. If they have that kind of money, there Zoo would be in good shape now would it? You fail.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-04-11 at 05:19:18
QUOTE(Zombie @ Apr 11 2006, 12:11 PM)
I live in Germany dude and I spell better than you.
Yes, stop watching TV, I don’t care if you live in Iraq, you don’t even have to know about corruption to think logically. I highly doubt that in any time that someone will “corrupt” a zoo inspector. If they have that kind of money, there Zoo would be in good shape now would it? You fail.
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Yes, stop watching TV, I don’t care if you live in Iraq, you don’t even have to know about corruption to think logically. I highly doubt that in any time that someone will “corrupt” a zoo inspector. If they have that kind of money, there Zoo would be in good shape now would it? You fail.
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yeah, ban me from SEN for having worser english than you
what's better: pay him once a year (even if you're poor, you canafford that)
or get closed ?
waht can you say to this (i repete myself):
corruption is everywhere where is not enough controll over people - poor countries. taht's a fact.
& reply to this:
for example: a country gets more tourists, economy rises, zoo's are built to attract more tourists. but then, something happens (crisis, war, something that spoils economy) & allthose zoo's are not closed at one time. they slowly get deserted, becawse lack of money. & that period between the beggining of economical problems & colsing of the zoo is that period when the zoo provides bad conditions. becawse the owner of the zoo won't close it when the crisis starts saying "oh, i have no chance", he will try to run it as long as possible.
oh & look at the site that theDaddy gave us.
if you're a person that belives in something only if he see it (it's not bad, it's a type of person) then look at the photo's
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-04-11 at 05:31:33
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yeah, ban me from SEN for having worser english than you
Huh, who said anything about ban? I’m just giving you crap because people use to give crap to me.
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what's better: pay him once a year (even if you're poor, you canafford that)
or get closed ?
What do you mean what’s better? You just said ONE thing.or get closed ?
Also, for god sakes who would do that? That is the most moronic thing I think that anyone could offer to bribe someone. “Hey man I’ll pay you 100$ every year if you pass us” Yea, I think not.
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waht can you say to this (i repete myself):
corruption is everywhere where is not enough controll over people - poor countries. taht's a fact.
corruption is everywhere where is not enough controll over people - poor countries. taht's a fact.
What can I say? Did you read my post? Corruption isn’t every dude, it’s all in your paranoid mind dude, and not every little thing is corrupted.
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& reply to this:
for example: a country gets more tourists, economy rises, zoo's are built to attract more tourists. but then, something happens (crisis, war, something that spoils economy) & allthose zoo's are not closed at one time. they slowly get deserted, becawse lack of money. & that period between the beggining of economical problems & colsing of the zoo is that period when the zoo provides bad conditions. becawse the owner of the zoo won't close it when the crisis starts saying "oh, i have no chance", he will try to run it as long as possible.
for example: a country gets more tourists, economy rises, zoo's are built to attract more tourists. but then, something happens (crisis, war, something that spoils economy) & allthose zoo's are not closed at one time. they slowly get deserted, becawse lack of money. & that period between the beggining of economical problems & colsing of the zoo is that period when the zoo provides bad conditions. becawse the owner of the zoo won't close it when the crisis starts saying "oh, i have no chance", he will try to run it as long as possible.
War? Are you serious? We aren’t talking about war; also I highly doubt that a zoo would go to crap if war broke out anyway! Also its very hard to reply to a post that doesn’t make sense seeing that you are using bad spelling, You know spell check is there for a reason, you have no excuse. I’d like to reply more to this statement but I can hardly understand it.
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oh & look at the site that theDaddy gave us.
Uh, read my previous posts, I read it. You need to read the ENTIRE article.
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if you're a person that belives in something only if he see it (it's not bad, it's a type of person) then look at the photo's
Actually, I’m not.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-04-11 at 06:38:50
QUOTE(Zombie @ Apr 11 2006, 12:31 PM)
What do you mean what’s better? You just said ONE thing.
Also, for god sakes who would do that? That is the most moronic thing I think that anyone could offer to bribe someone. “Hey man I’ll pay you 100$ every year if you pass us” Yea, I think not.
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Also, for god sakes who would do that? That is the most moronic thing I think that anyone could offer to bribe someone. “Hey man I’ll pay you 100$ every year if you pass us” Yea, I think not.
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i said 2 things: bribe him or get closed. & why don't you belive it's possible to bribe an inspecter if higher standing people are bribed.
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What can I say? Did you read my post? Corruption isn’t every dude, it’s all in your paranoid mind dude, and not every little thing is corrupted.
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you live in germany taht's why you say that. you should know, that it was freaking hard to get some documents to leave the country in russia. all the officials dint't know many things, couldn't give you most of things they must give, send you to another offical & they send you back & much much more. why are they bagly organized ? becawse upper standing oficials are either bribed either indifferent. why is that ? they are badly controlled. why is that ? the country is not so rich.
if this ^ is in russia, think of what can be in more poor countires.
QUOTE(Zombie @ Apr 11 2006, 12:31 PM)
Are you serious? We aren’t talking about war; also I highly doubt that a zoo would go to crap if war broke out anyway!
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be logical zombie. i said "war" just as an example of something that makes serious economical problems for a country.i'll make an example again:
there are 2 countries nearby eachother. they depend on eachother in different goods, resources & other things. if 1 of them has a crisis(any crisis) it will affect the other one. if a country has economical problems, it will cut off money for things that are not VERY important, like zoo's. so those soo'z will become abandoned, deserted --> treat animals badly
oh & about you saying "war can't crap zoo's". be logical zombie. if there is a war in the countrie, touriststs won't come to it. & you should know, that every country has a "war plan" in case of war. this plan says what sides of civilan life will "suffer" for war needs. for example: you have a new hummer, war strts & they take it away becawse they need it. <-- this happens in case of cerious war.
in a less serious case they will cut off money for things like zoo's, amusement parks (if they are supported by goverment) & other not too important things.
war craps up EVERYTHING. crisis, cataclism & other stuff like that is a powerful strike in the pocket of a not-rich country.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mayumi on 2006-04-11 at 10:58:21
I think they help can be a big help in assisting survival of endangered animals. BUT it's the employees jobs to make sure they are taking care of the animals.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-04-11 at 12:04:25
I think that humans are trying to figure everything out, when they dont need to, just let the animals live their lives, its not like anyone is trapping us and testing us of our origin, ya, just because we are the dominant species doesn't mean we are in control, if we went by age, the birds or something else would rule the world!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mayumi on 2006-04-11 at 18:17:38
QUOTE(7-7 @ Apr 12 2006, 01:04 AM)
I think that humans are trying to figure everything out, when they dont need to, just let the animals live their lives, its not like anyone is trapping us and testing us of our origin, ya, just because we are the dominant species doesn't mean we are in control, if we went by age, the birds or something else would rule the world!
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I understand what you mean and have some good points, but as population in the world increases and more habitats destroyed for homes and other stuff the animals recieve less and less space all the time.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-04-12 at 01:36:32
QUOTE(Jammed @ Apr 11 2006, 03:38 AM)
i said 2 things: bribe him or get closed. & why don't you belive it's possible to bribe an inspecter if higher standing people are bribed.
you live in germany taht's why you say that. you should know, that it was freaking hard to get some documents to leave the country in russia. all the officials dint't know many things, couldn't give you most of things they must give, send you to another offical & they send you back & much much more. why are they bagly organized ? becawse upper standing oficials are either bribed either indifferent. why is that ? they are badly controlled. why is that ? the country is not so rich.
if this ^ is in russia, think of what can be in more poor countires.
be logical zombie. i said "war" just as an example of something that makes serious economical problems for a country.i'll make an example again:
there are 2 countries nearby eachother. they depend on eachother in different goods, resources & other things. if 1 of them has a crisis(any crisis) it will affect the other one. if a country has economical problems, it will cut off money for things that are not VERY important, like zoo's. so those soo'z will become abandoned, deserted --> treat animals badly
oh & about you saying "war can't crap zoo's". be logical zombie. if there is a war in the countrie, touriststs won't come to it. & you should know, that every country has a "war plan" in case of war. this plan says what sides of civilan life will "suffer" for war needs. for example: you have a new hummer, war strts & they take it away becawse they need it. <-- this happens in case of cerious war.
in a less serious case they will cut off money for things like zoo's, amusement parks (if they are supported by goverment) & other not too important things.
war craps up EVERYTHING. crisis, cataclism & other stuff like that is a powerful strike in the pocket of a not-rich country.
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you live in germany taht's why you say that. you should know, that it was freaking hard to get some documents to leave the country in russia. all the officials dint't know many things, couldn't give you most of things they must give, send you to another offical & they send you back & much much more. why are they bagly organized ? becawse upper standing oficials are either bribed either indifferent. why is that ? they are badly controlled. why is that ? the country is not so rich.
if this ^ is in russia, think of what can be in more poor countires.
be logical zombie. i said "war" just as an example of something that makes serious economical problems for a country.i'll make an example again:
there are 2 countries nearby eachother. they depend on eachother in different goods, resources & other things. if 1 of them has a crisis(any crisis) it will affect the other one. if a country has economical problems, it will cut off money for things that are not VERY important, like zoo's. so those soo'z will become abandoned, deserted --> treat animals badly
oh & about you saying "war can't crap zoo's". be logical zombie. if there is a war in the countrie, touriststs won't come to it. & you should know, that every country has a "war plan" in case of war. this plan says what sides of civilan life will "suffer" for war needs. for example: you have a new hummer, war strts & they take it away becawse they need it. <-- this happens in case of cerious war.
in a less serious case they will cut off money for things like zoo's, amusement parks (if they are supported by goverment) & other not too important things.
war craps up EVERYTHING. crisis, cataclism & other stuff like that is a powerful strike in the pocket of a not-rich country.
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You’re completely off topic, I’m done with this topic I have proven my point. You have gone completely off topic with this whole Russia thing.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kyuubi. on 2006-04-12 at 19:08:26
i think most of us would like to let the animals be free. but right now i think zoos are the best place for them to survive. unfortunately, we humans kill them anyway with our expanding cities, wars, pollution, and probably some other factors. by expanding some of our cities, we kill off forests and other natural habitats animals live in, so i think it is safe to say that animals are better off in zoos and animal preservation facilities.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-04-13 at 03:08:59
QUOTE(Zombie @ Apr 12 2006, 08:36 AM)
You’re completely off topic, I’m done with this topic I have proven my point. You have gone completely off topic with this whole Russia thing.
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you didn't proove your point of view to me.
the russia thing was to show what can be in poorer countries, if you remember, we were discussing corruption.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mayumi on 2006-04-13 at 06:38:41
QUOTE(SlyShadow @ Apr 13 2006, 08:08 AM)
i think most of us would like to let the animals be free. but right now i think zoos are the best place for them to survive. unfortunately, we humans kill them anyway with our expanding cities, wars, pollution, and probably some other factors. by expanding some of our cities, we kill off forests and other natural habitats animals live in, so i think it is safe to say that animals are better off in zoos and animal preservation facilities.
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Yeah thats what I think to.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Core20k on 2006-04-14 at 05:32:30
I think the animals do deserve to be free but it wont happen for all of them due to population rise and need for homes, food, recreation and so on. At least most are taking care of in the zoo's although I have seen some zoo's were the animals didn't look like they were taken care of to good 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Eskimo Bob on 2006-04-16 at 00:54:29
If they take good care of the animals then go Zoo!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-04-18 at 16:27:31
This topic needs my blessing.
Zombie, Jammed was correct when he said that not all zoos are good. The poorer ones can't afford to give too much to the animals. We can't prove it to you, because those zoos don't have websites and/or we don't live in the right areas, probably. And don't start talking about proof of any kind if you can't offer any yourself.
Overall, I support zoos because, as said before by many people, they help protect the animals while teaching us something, but I kind of doubt the animals are really grateful.. they want to be free, while we want them to not be extinct.
Zombie, Jammed was correct when he said that not all zoos are good. The poorer ones can't afford to give too much to the animals. We can't prove it to you, because those zoos don't have websites and/or we don't live in the right areas, probably. And don't start talking about proof of any kind if you can't offer any yourself.
Overall, I support zoos because, as said before by many people, they help protect the animals while teaching us something, but I kind of doubt the animals are really grateful.. they want to be free, while we want them to not be extinct.