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I suggest spanking bad members lolz or atleast kick them for 2 days...

And way to contribute absolutely nothing to the thread. You seem to be awesome at that.



Then why is it that most of them slack off? I can give you a perfect example: Cheeze.

He would come in and read plenty of threads that turned into flame wars and would not close them down, letting flame run freely. He then comes in and warns me (After not doing his job for quite a while) because I freaked out and told Mr. Spammy above me, not to bump old topics.

Is that really doing their job? Or being biased towards certain individuals?

His not doing his job in 9000 other cases makes it wrong to do his job in your one?

I'm not saying that. But you just proved my point.

Certain individuals happen to be cronic offenders and thus more often watched. Having multiple offenses doesn't automatically make you guilty of anything, but it logically would make you more likely to be suspected of doing something. You don't pull over white sedans when the gunshots are coming from red SUVs.

I don't know how you got this. So, by this logic, if I simply clicked on a random page on Wikipedia, that would mean I've read everything? Interesting, I should try that. I'll have the random page refresh so I'd be the smartest person ever.


By your tone, it seems everything you report with the reason "flame" is flame. Let's see a couple of these reported posts eh?
http://www.staredit.net/index.php?act=ST&f...80&#entry482700
http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopi...ndpost&p=481579
http://www.staredit.net/index.php?act=ST&f...20&#entry480568


Of course. I'll say it now so I don't have to deal with what you said later. I am biased. But, this is a good thing for most people. New members have a chance to get themselves involved without me constantly verbally warn them. Old members should know what's right and wrong. Thus, I think I should be harder on them than some person who just joined a couple of weeks ago.

If someone disagrees with me, explain your position. Perhaps it's not the most effective way to deal with spam. However, I still have a zero tolerance rule against flaming. Just keep in mind, your definition of flame probably isn't the same as mine.


That's ironic. When you posted that stuff, you also bumped it.

I won't exactly quote anything, but I'll be commenting to the previous posts.

I can't start warning and suspending people for not taking part in this "Revolution". I can't punish anyone for writting in bad grammar(as long as it's readable). You may think that the Staff can do whatever we want and change whatever rule we want. It's true. We can become an authotitarian dictatorship in an instant and ban whoever we want, but we just won't do it.

At least myself, I do believe every other Staff member is with me, wants to give you guys as much freedom as possible up to a certain point. I don't want you guys to force yourselves to post my ideal posting syntax. We are not responsible for the site's posting quality, it is the members, the regular discussions that we have and their posts.

To the comment regarding that Moderators aren't doing their jobs. As I've said countless times, we try to keep punishment as secret as possible, only between the Moderator and the punished person. If I let you see everyone's logs, you'd see how many verbal warns, warns and suspensions are going unoticed by the other people. Heck, take a look at your Warn Log. Today I looked at it and I never knew you had that amount of items in there.

I've also noticed a trend going on around here. As we've become more strict on Moderation during that past months, the community then suggests, no, tells us, to be more strict. I'd happily Moderate according to the users, but there's a problem with that, there are limits and we'd be forcing people to post in our manner.

I remember when SeN used to be a near perfect forum, everybody posted in correct grammar and provided excellent discussions, even the new members. But then a flood of "bad" members came in and those actions caught on to the others. Why can't this good actions catch on to everybody else? I'm sure that people will start realizing what's going on. If posting quality goes up, then we can set a Moderation posting standard a bit higher to include grammar and posting quality, but as of right now, if we do such a thing, a great number of posts, threads and people will have to be dealt with.

And where did you come up with that eh? If you are trying to push that on me, I don't report like that (If that's a report) And I never posted that, either. Moron is a straight out flame, and I don't straight out flame. I subtle. Just like everyone else on this forum.

After double checking, sorry made a mistake!

Zombie edited the section and I thought you said that.

Well you're doing a great job getting rid of that problem.
How about all the mods get together in the super secret mod fourm and make a list of things that seem like people should be banned for, or warned, or have a tiny chat about it but won't. Things like:
"If your topic (or post) make no sense what so ever, who cares! I've been late on rent for the past month and I'd hate to come off like a grouch so I think I'll let this slide.
Also if your post contains one word (most likely less thatn 5 letters) that's REALLY COOL. In fact you get awarded more minerals for posting less. And then you can use those minerals to start some stupid trend like the x amount of minerals club."
Tell me when you finish that.

Sure it would, I would think there would be a lot less flamming and a larger homosexual influence to the site if we started talking about Tom Cruise only.
(That was a joke)

You are to an extent. Obviously you don't dictate whether or not people want to talk about which pudding is cooler but if it's really stupid or a lot of stupid replies are being generated YOU can do something about it. While everyone else on the fourm, can not.

So the whole idea of memebrs who want change, should change. In ridiculos and won't get anywhere. I'm still awaiting that answer Camo.

Ouch, your sarcasm bites.
Anyway, this is one problem I'm addressing with a rewrite of policy for SEN v5. I've already coded the FAQs section personally, and I'm writing new policies. Hopefully there will be an increase in standardization and consistency between moderators, and help in identifying what should/shouldn't be posted.

And if you think this is one of your "bullcrap things that won't happen", you're dead wrong. I'm already doing it (and was working on the "Posting Guidelines" FAQ until I came here to read this). (Which I think members on v5 can read, if you happen to be there.)

And about the minerals, no, your 5 letter post won't get you .00001% of a mineral.

Look golden-fist, I never made anybody change, but if the members want to stop these threads about how annoying the board is and make this place a better place, then we might as well try the best we can. After-all, where's the hurt?


People please, if you can't keep peace in a peaceful topic, you just might as well leave. Although I understand where you're coming from Golden-first, look if I say so myself in the past I was a pretty valueble member to SEN, but now I'm not really seeing anybody really stick out but the mods. I'd like everybody who wants to be, part of this community in the most positive attitude, for the better of everyone.

Besides, I don't think everyone wants to be called "F4GG0T L!OL!"

There's something called the report button. USE IT!

My point was that your idea just won't work. And that didn't answer my question I had. You say that if I want to make this fourm a better place I should try harder? Try harder at what? Sitting around doing nothign? That's all I can do, the most a normal member can do about what other people post is Prvivite Message them telling them to stop being a retard and try posting something on-topic for once. In which they'll think I'm flamming them, I'll get ignored and that adds another person who hates me on the long list.

If this was refering to me, I don't see how pointing out how your system won't work isn't being peaceful. It's not like I'm going:
WTFAG CAMO UR GHEY DIS GHEY SHET IS GHEY N UR GHEY SO GU B GHEY IN GHEYLEND LOL PWNT NUBB GOOD GAME!EOn1NOE"
Please don't take it that way

I'm looking forward to that, any idea when v5 is actually coming out?

Another problem that Kelli seems to have is how reporting people doesn't always work. So just repeating again and again to use the report button doesn't help at all.

Ways to improve yourself as a member:
•Stay on topic in a discussion
•Never post things that do not contribute to the discussion
•Never insult or put down an individual, in other words, keep your negative comments to yourself
•Read the topic/first post before posting
•Ask questions if you are unsure of something so that no one is offended by your illegitimate behavior
•Never run with scissors
•Say something positive to a fellow member every now and then
•If you have a problem with another member, pm him/her to resolve or discuss the quarrel
•Treat new members as human beings and not as creatures that have spawned from the depths of hell

There are many more ways to improve yourself, so do not say that you can not make yourself better.

Oh, I see a lot of arguments and bumping topics.. It isn't necessarily against the rules. If it continues the discussion of the topic, then there's no reason to be mad at someone for bumping it. If it's not adding much to the topic, just report it instead of bumping it even more.

I'm not trying to improve ME. I'm trying to improve the other idiots going around spurring stupid crap out of there mouths, or fingers.

I love how you rewrite my speech.
Assuming my memory is correct (doubtful ), IP gave a rough estimate of Summer~Fall 2006. It might go faster since I'm coding for v5 more than v4. Still, I would say he's underestimated and that it should definitely be here before 2007.

Fist, why should you not try to improve yourself? Does running about calling them idiots reform anyone? If you don't need improvement, why aren't you the administrator?

I appreciate your critique Golden-Fist and understand where you're coming from, and no the statement wasn't directed at you. Hopefully, this won't die, but it it does, I'm sure v5 will have something to solidify that we're the message board itself, and we make the activity and success of this forum possible, so we should probably try and keep it clean.

Can you hear that?
It's the sound of Deathawk running to the topic to make an inside joke about that name.
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Yeah... (Ignore this unless your name is GgG-Deathawk)

No it doesn't. But that's the most I can do. And I don't do it in public, that's against the rules
And I can't do PHP, or anything website related except type really fast. Which would make me a pretty crapty admin. The only improvements people have suggested to me is "Stop Talking" I don't see how that makes me a better fourm member.

I should start a new trend where I italise all my jokes.

What is that?

Also, I think you can do a lot more. A well thought-out PM explaining what they're doing wrong and citing some posts and what you think is wrong with them can go much further than branding them with the idiot label. If you go about it in the right way (nice fatherly, big brotherly, maybe), they might even react positively.

Stuff that I already do.
Well two of them I break every now and then. However this seems more like a Dr.Phil with Golden-Fist on the show instead of how to make the community better.

I've never seen anyone tell you to stop posting/talking..

Golden-FistOfFury
And whoever thinks this is stupid, I think it's a good idea period, because there is really no downside to it. Even if it doesn't do anything, even though it already has changed me, it didn't do any harm.

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I'm sorry I think they said for me to: get a dirty sanchez instead.
EDIT:
They told me to stop talking too.